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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Loving today.
Progress at its finest.
x2 Proud to be an American today.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Federal Government hereby Commands you to buy Broccoli every Tuesday, Gym Memberships at Gold’s Gym, Enterically Coated Baby Aspirin, wine, and Fish Oil.
All these things are good for you, as your Superiors have decided, and they get to decide how to spend every last dime you earn. The Supremes said so today.
You are now owned, lock stock and barrel, by the government.
They can direct 100% of your earnings as they see fit.
You’re a slave this morning.
I’d advise leaving before they restrict your ability to do so — oh wait, they also passed a law that if you IRS says you owe money (you don’t actually have to owe it, they just have to say you owe it), your passport is revoked. Sorry.[/quote]
This is about how I felt this morning. The government has been able to tax you for buying certain things like cigarettes, now they can “tax” you for NOT buying certain things. Even if the bill gets repealed, which is very unlikely, the judicial precedent still stands.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
now they can “tax” you for NOT buying certain things. Even if the bill gets repealed, which is very unlikely, the judicial precedent still stands.
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Hold on a second, they already said the anti-injuction act doesn’t apply.
I’m not a lawyer so correct me if I’m wrong, but this shit is untouchable now. You can’t challenge it as a tax, yet it is upheld as A-OKAY because it is a tax…
Fuck these clowns.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Loving today.
Progress at its finest.
I agree with you, as do many Americans.
A big part of why I had my back surgery last year, was that my premiums were going up and coverage going down, thanks to this horseshit legislation. Which did in fact happen in part this year and will continue to happen.
The health care system will continue to be totally and unequivocally fucked up until these idiots realize coverage isn’t the problem, it’s cost. Making it more expensive for some so that others can be barley covered helps no one. Right now the uninsured can get treated for free an any ER. You give them coverage it’s actually going to cost them more for treatment.
Costs need to be a address, and until we have drug and medical product competition from over seas, cost will continue to be a problem.
However, I work in the industry and my company will be making billions off of it… So thanks for that.
Pyrrhic victory. If you are on the Left, you shouldn’t be happy about this outcome.
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SCOTUS upholds the law and defers to Congress, so Obama can’t demagogue the court as a betrayer of democratic process, judicial activists, etc. for cheap motivation of his base. No talking point here.
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SCOTUS held that the mandate violated the Commerce Clause, so the Left’s hopes of a court precedent that enabled the federal government to pass whatever laws it wanted under a “blank check”, unlimited power is dead.
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The law is deeply unpopular, and there will be motivation to change at the ballot box what the court did not do. This ruling won’t bring fence-sitters off the fence from the Left, but independents and conservatives? You bet.
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The administration did everything in its power to politically declare that this mandate as not a tax because Obama promised no new taxes on the middle class. SCOTUS says “yes, it’s a tax” and now Obama will have to head into an election explaining how his non-tax is a tax and why people should vote for him for imposing a tax increase on the middle class.
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People are going to now learn that this is a tax that compels a private citizen to pay a private company, thus there really is no tax to government coffers. That sounds pretty creepy, but now this arrangement is on the Left, which should - in theory - be completely opposed to a government compelling people to buy stuff from corporations. In any event, people will like the mandate even less.
I don’t think the court is nearly as political as some others do, but if you believe politics factored into the decision coming out the way it did, Chief Justice Roberts just outsmarted the President by a magnitude.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Loving today.
Progress at its finest.
I agree with you, as do many Americans.[/quote]
Yea roughly 1/3…congrats on that.
Bahahahahaha! May you have the health your government wishes upon you.
Time to cull the herd before the weak infect the rest.
Oh, and the idea that the ACA is “progress” - hilarious. It is a bill whose time was in the post-war 1950s, if you were going to pass it at all, just as European countries have. The Eurozone is melting down in real time precisely because of the unsustainability of European countries’ versions of “Obamacare” passed years ago, and we, to our stupidity, pass a law that is destined to put the US in the same place in a few years.
And that is what the Left calls “progress” - hilarious. No, it’s the opposite - it’s romantic nostalgia, nostalgia for the policies of yesteryear when the economic world was a different place.
Obama isn’t a “progressive” - he’s a reactionary. He advocates passing laws in the modern era that history has already moved past.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Tigertime,
It appears to mostly help insurance companies.
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Well, of course. You don’t actually believe the crap about Democrats being for the “common man,” do you?
Crony capitalism — business rising and falling by currying favor to politicians – is the core reason for Obama’s type of socialism.
If this isn’t clear, go look at Solyndra or any of the other billion-dollar-giveaways they did in the name of “helping the little guy.”
The only way to stop this is to limit government.
It’s a bit disheartening that people have been so poisoned against the concept of “Universal Health Care” that congress was only able to pass this watered down version that will still leave 20+ million Americans uninsured. I am at a loss as to why creating a single payer system is so abhorrent to so many Americans, I would guess that is because most people think there care will suffer, when in reality it will probably improve.
The US ranked 37th in quality of care (according to the WHO) in 2010, we ranked below such powers as Oman, Saudi Arabia and Malta (WTF?) and just ahead of Slovenia and Cuba (Michael Moore can suck it), of course our expenditures were #1 overall so at least we have that.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
when in reality it will probably improve.
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How does this bill lower costs and improve care?
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
It’s a bit disheartening that people have been so poisoned against the concept of “Universal Health Care” that congress was only able to pass this watered down version that will still leave 20+ million Americans uninsured. I am at a loss as to why creating a single payer system is so abhorrent to so many Americans, I would guess that is because most people think there care will suffer, when in reality it will probably improve.
The US ranked 37th in quality of care (according to the WHO) in 2010, we ranked below such powers as Oman, Saudi Arabia and Malta (WTF?) and just ahead of Slovenia and Cuba (Michael Moore can suck it), of course our expenditures were #1 overall so at least we have that.[/quote]
WHO, pffft.
Yeah, health care in Oman and Saudi is so good my wife routinely has members of various royal families from said countries fly from the middle east to Phoenix to get treated by a Jew Doctor. They have the money and go where the best care is. That’s the USA.
The medical care in the USA is so far above almost any other nation (except perhaps Israel), it’s shocking.’
So, of course, it needs to be “fixed.”
Beans,
This bill? It probably won’t. As I said above, this is a watered down version of what they should have done, the fact that 20,000,000+ will still be uninsured means that many of the same issues that drive up costs will still be in place. I am in favor of a national healthcare program that eliminates the middleman, covers everyone and puts doctors, nurses etc on salary (like the VA). This plan is probably just a gateway to something else (hopefully), or else it is doomed to fail.
You want US health care to be like VA health care?
You are a sick individual, indeed.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Beans,
This bill? It probably won’t. As I said above, this is a watered down version of what they should have done, the fact that 20,000,000+ will still be uninsured means that many of the same issues that drive up costs will still be in place. I am in favor of a national healthcare program that eliminates the middleman, covers everyone and puts doctors, nurses etc on salary (like the VA). This plan is probably just a gateway to something else (hopefully), or else it is doomed to fail.[/quote]
Fair enough.
How would the orginal bill accomplished it then. Please explain to me as I don’t see it.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:<<< I am at a loss as to why creating a single payer system is so abhorrent to so many Americans, I would guess that is because most people think there care will suffer, when in reality it will probably improve. >>>[/quote]Psst. I know you’re in the people’s republic of New York from which I barely escaped with my life, but here’s a stab at breaking through that poisonous leftist shell you live in. Listen close I’ll type real slow. Some people still love the foundational principles that made the United States the United States and refuse to live in a toxic fantasy world of coerced social equity. I KNOW. I know how utterly foreign anything like conviction is to enlightened progressives like yourself. That is the explanation though. It’s not about health care at all. Who gets covered how, blah blah blah? That’s YOUR delusion. My conviction is freedom and liberty. Rightly defined. At our founding we were the closest lot yet. YOU are a sniveling spineless nanny state coward. They can pull my fingernails out and kill my family. I will die in prison before being strong armed into buying their state brand on my soul. A state brand we fought a 50 year cold war to defeat. You’re pathetic and you deserve what’s coming.
I love the semantics used to make things politically appealing to the masses which cause financial ruin: War on Drugs, War on Terror, Affordable Care Act…all misnomers that perpetuate the same causes they purport to fight against.
Thanks to the insight from Jewbacca, Jeaton, Zeb, and T-bolt as to some ramifications that will be realized by this decision.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
It’s a bit disheartening that people have been so poisoned against the concept of “Universal Health Care”[/quote]
Americans are also poisoned to socialism too…go figure.