5/3/1 training log

The reason I didn’t want to do beefcake is because I was worried I might not eat enough calories.

Ah, I thought I remembered you speaking about an inability to accomplish the supplemental work in the 20 minute timespan. Perhaps I misremembered. And I see you bringing up recovery as it relates to the assistance work, which is what flags GPP to me. Similar to the recovery concerns of 5x5 FSL and PR sets.

But, that said, it’s always a balance of stimulus and recovery. Definitely don’t push beyond it.

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I think I’m finishing all my supplemental work in like 15 mins including pull ups. On beefcake I just didn’t think I could do something like 70% 5x10 without eating a lot of calories.

I am worried about recovery- just don’t wanna push too much and f* the whole block. But how is it related to conditioning?

GPP improves your ability to recover between sets AND between workouts. Your general physical preparedness is improved.

Mhm. I’ll think about it, although I don’t feel like there are any recovery issues right now. One deload week is working pretty good for me. Although bench is lagging out a bit, but I doubt it’s related to recovery.

Sounds good: I’ve just seen you mention recovery concerns quite a bit, so it’s why it popped up to me. If it’s not a concern, then I’d follow up the realization with more accumulation.

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Yeah because that’s the primary thing that could lag me out I believe, not technique or injuries.

Thanks for you help. It’s good to know about the GPP phase.

Just wanted to say I’ve enjoyed following this journey, you came in with questions, took the advice and seems to be getting good results, good stuff man!

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Thanks. I just got some good advice from good people here.

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3/5/1 PR sets 5x5 FSL 3s week

Legs had some DOMS from squat day until deadlift day. Next week my body will be adjusted to the heavier weights probably.

Did on deadlift day 180kgx6 as the PR set, and 140x5x5 FSL. My thighs had serious DOMS from squat day. Even on warmups they got really tight. I aimed for 7 reps, but settled for 6. I wanted to do a joker but my thighs were cooked. Even today they’re still a bit stiff.

Today (OHP day) I did 60x7 as PR set. It went pretty easy. I thought even to go for another rep but I saved it for the joker. So the joker I did 65x3. Went pretty easy as well. Deloading really helps my shoulders. Then I did 47.5x5x5 superset pull ups with various grips. Did also some dips with real emphasis on the chest. Damn it burned. Did biceps and that’s all. It went like 1.5 hours which is a bit much.

Next week (5s week) no PR sets and no jokers as recommended.

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3/5/1 PR sets 5x5 FSL 5s week

No PR sets and no jokers this week.

Did 132.5kg x5 on squats, and it was hard, not very hard but hard. The fatigue from the AMRAPs from last week is hitting me. My hams from the 3s week deadlift session has been kinda sore the same squat day. Later did 100x5x5 FSL and went well overall. This week is supposed to give a break from the PR sets, so it will be interesting what’s up next week. Bit by bit I understand how to handle fatigue.

Before the 3s week I didn’t play basketball at all, so it’s interesting if basketball affects my legs recovery. I usually play 2 days before my squat session so I have 1 day recovery. Playing for about 2-3h continuosly. I think I won’t be playing next time to see if it affects my recovery.

On bench day I did last set 92.5x5 and 70x5x5 FSL. I switched for another bar which is shittier than the previous bar in the sense that it rotates a lot (also a very shitty grip). The gym only has one “power” bar which is shitty as well but at least it doesn’t rotate as much. So I’m gonna keep using the shitty bar because the power bar is occupied most of the time. Hope I get used to it. I thought maybe buying a Rogue bar and storing it at the gym, but they probably won’t agree to it because they’re so commercial. In the future I’ll just build my own gym. I don’t need anything else other than a barbell, power rack (or maybe even a squat rack), plates, adjustable dumbbells, and dips. No machines whatsoever… In the near future I guess.

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3/5/1 PR sets 5x5 FSL 5s week

170kg x5 on deadlifts with a mixed grip and 130x5x5 FSL. Mixed grip makes deadlift way harder for some reason. My butt and hams work way harder with a mixed grip.

57.5x5 on OHP and 45x5x5 FSL. Nothing special. Did back, some dips but less than last upper workout so I can recover for the upcoming 1s week.

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3/5/1 PR sets 5x5 FSL 1s week

Did today 147.5x5 on squats then 117.5x5x5 FSL. The PR set was pretty tough. There was a pretty good grind there on the last rep. I thought I would smoke this and move on to the jokers, but I was too fatigued to do any joker. The FSL sets were also kinda tough, no grinding but there was some strong pushing. It’s not a PR I think: I did 150x4 so I think it’s pretty much the same. I skipped basketball so I thought I would be strong like the first week where I easily did 140x7. Maybe it wasn’t so easy after all.

I think maybe there could be a few problems:

  1. Not eating enough protein. I’m tracking today my protein consumption to see where I’m at.
  2. Too much volume - maybe 5x5 FSL is too much if I’m not bulking or maintaining. Maybe I should do something like 3x5.

My BW is now 80.4kg - 81, so I’m losing some weight.

I’m thinking of getting some creatine. Never had any but maybe it would help me push.

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Not eating enough protein. I’m tracking today my protein consumption to see where I’m at.

This really shouldn’t be impacting performance.

You’re losing weight, which is a big part of this. This means being in a compromised energy state. That said, I imagine you’re eating carbs, which is like practically cheating as far as energy goes: you just gotta use them correctly.

Do you time nutrition around training? If not: this would be an excellent time to start. Getting in the majority of your carbs pre-training, with a simple carb, and then a good amount post training, would help fuel hard workouts.

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Could it be I’m not eating enough carbs? I basically eat a plate of rice everyday. This is probably my main carb intake.

Not really. Waking up I drink some coffee and a cup of juice before the workout. I don’t really eat anything before the workout. Afterwards I just eat breakfast which is usually just eggs and some other stuff.

For me, I don’t feel the solution is volume but timing of carbs. It doesn’t make much sense to me to have that plate of rice so far away from training. I don’t see what it’s meant to be fueling at that point.

If training first thing in the morning, I’d consider shifting my carbs to the evening, before bed, to have fuel for the morning workout. At that point, I’d consider more complex carbs rather than simple. Otherwise, I’d try a larger bolus of pre-training simple carbs before the workout (Surge was awesome for this, based on my experience).

What is the “other stuff” you eat alongside the eggs? For me, that’s lamb, but I get the feeling you might eat something different.

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You got some good suggestions for complex/simple healthy carbs? I ate yesterday some spaghetti thinking it would give me some fuel. I actually didn’t think much about giving me some fuel before the workout. Probably should start. Also, what’s a good amount of carbs before training?

Milk, a salad, sometimes bread, cheese.

As a non-carb eater, I’d really be stepping outside of my element on this one. Stan Efferding’s “vertical diet” has a great list of foods to help trainees with athletic performance.

@TrainForPain, @s.gentz and @davemccright would be excellent resources here.

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I really appreciate the tag @T3hPwnisher. May I point out: I always think it’s awesome where you’re able to say “this isn’t my approach, but that doesn’t invalidate it as an approach.”

Anyway, @cantfitinjeans, I’d look at this as a good, better, best situation… and I wouldn’t try to go from 0 to best - there’s simply no need.

I am making the assumption, based on what I read, your two primary goals are losing bodyfat and maintaining workout performance. So I am going to talk about carb timing, but you have to keep in mind that it’s in context of your whole day. The carbs we put in around your workout are not additive; those calories have to come away from somewhere.

So, if I’m looking at a “best” situation (let’s start with the end in mine), the general principle would be:

  • Some pre-workout carbs, without hypoglycemia. Protein isn’t a bad idea here, either, simply because it’s a meal and a feeding opportunity. The goal here is energy for workout performance.
  • Intra-workout carbs. This one is situationally dependent, but can really pay off when you’re leaner and using higher volumes. This one is a blend between recovery and performance; the idea being you get a head start on those post-workout carbs.
  • Post-workout carbs. This one is all about recovery, and the jury is kind of out on how important it is if you aren’t doing multiple sessions that day. That said, you’re more insuling sensistive at this time and, if you’re cutting and having carbs, they may ass well go here as anywhere else.

So where would I start for you?

I’d look at the pre-workout carbs first. You want these to digest really easily, but not leave you crashing halfway through your workout. A little fat (like 8-10g) can help a lot here, but rice wouldn’t be my choice. In your situation, waking up and then going to the gym, I’d recommend ~30g or so from fruit. I like pineapples, oranges, apples - in that order.

If we want to think about your prior night dinner as the pre-workout, that’s ok… I just never really found it worked for me. I don’t want to eat the second before I go to sleep, I don’t want to go to bed stuffed, and it just doesn’t seem to hang with me for the next morning. Some recent research shows just feeling hungry hurts workout performance every bit as much as actually being depleted, and I think that’s going on here. Anyway, if you do this, I’d consider more satiating carbs - like potatoes instead of rice.

For post-workout, I’d make this your last priority because you don’t indicate recovery is really an issue. If you still have carbs to use, though, put them here; as stated above, there’s really no reason not to do so.

So what about the intra? This is just such an easy button. If you wake up in the morning and don’t feel like eating (I get it), start sipping an intra on the way to the gym and finish it up as you train. You’ve covered your bases this way and it’s fool-proof; you don’t have to think about anything. Surge Workout Fuel is by far my favorite. I think this is about 25-35g of carbs unless you’re gigantic.

If you want to tell me how many carbs a day you’re having, your eating preferences, and whether you want to try an intra, I can tell you exactly what I’d do.

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Thank you for the detailed response.

Just for the protocol, currently I’m trying to lose some body fat but also get stronger. I’m now peaking so I’m cutting some on the calories, but my main priority is to get stronger.

Yep I agree with you on that, I’m kinda the same.

So today I tried to log my food, and it seems I got 2000-2300 calories, 180g of protein, 120-130g of carbs and 75g of fat (up until now, I might eat a little more). I don’t have specific eating preferences. I very like meat and fish. On the intra subject, I feel like it would lead me to eating unhealthy stuff but I’m open for suggestions.

So today I tried to log my food, and it seems I got 2000-2300 calories, 180g of protein, 120-130g of carbs and 75g of fat.

This math isn’t mathing for me.

75g of fat is 675 calories.

180g of protein is 720 calories.

This gives us 1400 calories (rounding up 5).

120-130g of carbs gives you 480 to 520 calories. At the MOST, you get 1920, but the bottom end is 1880. Nowhere near 2300.

You may have room for more carbs.

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