^ You know Farmer when I started 5/3/1 I thought to myself, why do estimated 1 rep maxes. What the fuck am I an accountant, just go fucking max. I dont do the 90% estimate 1 rep max, I do the 100% on all my workouts. So when I am doing the 1+ week at the 90% it really is a 90% of my true 1 rep max. Now about every 6 months I will max out again and see where I am at. Why do people make it so hard? You lift weights go max out.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You know Farmer when I started 5/3/1 I thought to myself, why do estimated 1 rep maxes. What the fuck am I an accountant, just go fucking max. I dont do the 90% estimate 1 rep max, I do the 100% on all my workouts. So when I am doing the 1+ week at the 90% it really is a 90% of my true 1 rep max. Now about every 6 months I will max out again and see where I am at. Why do people make it so hard? You lift weights go max out.[/quote]
The reason I didn’t continue with 5/3/1 was because of the 90% thing. I did 6 weeks of it but didn’t feel like it was challenging me enough. If I’d have worked off 100% like you, it might have worked out better for me.
yes i am using more weight than i have ever handled, BECAUSE I AHVE NEVER TRIED TO GET A 1 RM before (as clearly stated above). my previous workouts have been more volume oriented due to injury. i would typically do rep maxes in the 4-10 range. so naturally if u r basing poundages on 95 percent of 90 percent of 1 RM u will be lifting heavier weights than normal. i am by no means claiming that 5/3/1 has alrady made me stronger, it has just forced me to use more weight.
^ I am not bashing you man, Farmer and I have had this discussion in my thread on here. The good thing about this probram for people who have never really lifting heavy is that with patience you will just continue to grow and get stronger. Farmer has the back ground of lifting heavy, so that was the point I was making to him about the 100%. No worries man keep up the hard work it will pay off.
no worries, not offended. im not a powerlifter, but i have interest in gaining strength. i have a lot of patience, and with my injury history i am all about slow and steady. my old routine had stagnated, so this new one is refreshing and suits my needs. i like the leeway the of the assistance work as well…like i said earlier we will see where it leads
^ Glad to hear it, do you have a log on here? A lot of us old broken guys keep ourselves accountable with our logs.
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You know Farmer when I started 5/3/1 I thought to myself, why do estimated 1 rep maxes. What the fuck am I an accountant, just go fucking max. I dont do the 90% estimate 1 rep max, I do the 100% on all my workouts. So when I am doing the 1+ week at the 90% it really is a 90% of my true 1 rep max. Now about every 6 months I will max out again and see where I am at. Why do people make it so hard? You lift weights go max out.[/quote]
The reason I didn’t continue with 5/3/1 was because of the 90% thing. I did 6 weeks of it but didn’t feel like it was challenging me enough. If I’d have worked off 100% like you, it might have worked out better for me.[/quote]
Sorta the issue I had in regards with my Deadlift. My rep ability went up but my actual max dropped for some reason.
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Serious question, 3/5/1 (this is new wording that I will use) on the 3/1 weeks what about a rotation of doing singles for just one of the lifts. Would this be over doing it? Like this rotation I added just one single on the DL so next week normal status quo then the following 1+ week doing singles on DL only. Then next rotation adding singles say on Military then the next rotation doing it on Squats then next Bench. You know rotating upper and lower body singles per rotation? What do yall think. [/quote]
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Since none of us in here are certain. Im going to go with the " pick your battles" as Wendler says . But until we hear it from the horses mouth… Of course the article that got this thread started was vague at least in regards to adding the singles. Do you do a few singles at a additional % ? Do you keep the same weight as your last set and just do some singles ? Or do you approach it ala max effort? So until " 3/5/1 is release i guess where flying blind.
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
Serious question, 3/5/1 (this is new wording that I will use) on the 3/1 weeks what about a rotation of doing singles for just one of the lifts. Would this be over doing it? Like this rotation I added just one single on the DL so next week normal status quo then the following 1+ week doing singles on DL only. Then next rotation adding singles say on Military then the next rotation doing it on Squats then next Bench. You know rotating upper and lower body singles per rotation? What do yall think. [/quote]
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Since none of us in here are certain. Im going to go with the " pick your battles" as Wendler says . But until we hear it from the horses mouth… Of course the article that got this thread started was vague at least in regards to adding the singles. Do you do a few singles at a additional % ? Do you keep the same weight as your last set and just do some singles ? Or do you approach it ala max effort? So until " 3/5/1 is release i guess where flying blind.[/quote]
I am just going to go with just adding singles until I feel I am burnt, so I guess that would be max effort. The goal being to just increase your max by testing how high you can go, is my mentality. So on Conventional dead I have a max set at 375 and I do the 1+ at the 90%. Ill go to 375 if I get it add a weight I think I could do and go. If I get it thats my new max. What do you think?
I agree on the flying blind on the 3/5/1 but I do know that need to move heavy weight.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
So on Conventional dead I have a max set at 375 and I do the 1+ at the 90%. Ill go to 375 if I get it add a weight I think I could do and go. If I get it thats my new max. What do you think?
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At this point it sounds like a idea. Until 3/5/1 is out. I know Scott Yards over at Elitefts has been running 5/3/1 similar to what is suggested in the reload article. You might want to look at his log.
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
So on Conventional dead I have a max set at 375 and I do the 1+ at the 90%. Ill go to 375 if I get it add a weight I think I could do and go. If I get it thats my new max. What do you think?
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At this point it sounds like a idea. Until 3/5/1 is out. I know Scott Yards over at Elitefts has been running 5/3/1 similar to what is suggested in the reload article. You might want to look at his log.[/quote]
Thanks I will, this week has been busy and havent even gone to the elite site. Bad of me. I threw a single in today on bench, nothing fancy just for the hell of it.
All right. I called Elitefts . The nice young lady on the phone informed me she had no idea when the new book was going to be released and Jim was out of the office but she would ask him .AAAAAGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I wish they didnt release the article on this site if there was going to be such a long space of time from the actual release.
Alright guys with regards to the 90% thing is that it is easy for for first couple of cycles then it gets progressively harder for a reason - the eary cycles are setting you up for the long run. The routine as written is usually done in 6 MONTH BLOCKS for people, not 6 weeks or 3 months.
Example 500 DL real max
starting training max -10% = 450
Thats actually 7 months before you go for something higher(95% of 520) than your max you started the cycle with. It works well with people who have patience and/or not are stimulus addicts.
I will say I include a little more high-end work after the working 5/3/1 like 2/3x5 of 80% of training max after the work sets. Or 2x3 @ 85%.
Long story short it is long term lifting plan not some 8-week-blitz-bodybuilder-buy-my- supplements-you-need-for-this-program-to-work-or-you-will-fail routine.
I’ve been running 5/3/1 for the last four months, and making slow but steady progress. While I have no intention of competing in Powerlifting, I do like the idea of adding Heavy Singles to my training.
My main concern is that attempting a rep PR on my third set, then trying a couple of Singles, might be too much. If it was simply 3 sets of 3, for example, then a couple of Singles I might give it a shot.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
Anyone by chance know of a possible release date?[/quote]
I keep asking and get now answer. The last article on here by Jim I asked him in the discussion afterwards and got no answer. [/quote]
On Strengthvillain.com, Jim posted that he was involved in legal action over the book. So Crom knows when it will be published.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Lets Pray[/quote]
Buddy Jesus!!!
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[quote]BlackDouglas wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
Anyone by chance know of a possible release date?[/quote]
I keep asking and get now answer. The last article on here by Jim I asked him in the discussion afterwards and got no answer. [/quote]
On Strengthvillain.com, Jim posted that he was involved in legal action over the book. So Crom knows when it will be published.[/quote]
HHMMMMM… I wonder what the story behind that is?
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[quote]DJHT wrote:
Lets Pray[/quote]
Buddy Jesus!!![/quote]
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