[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Austin, how do you feel those incline flyes have worked out for chest growth? I might be starting Dave Tates 6-week bench routine but since there’s little chest work I was planning to add incline flyes so I could get some in without adding more pressing. [/quote]
I’ve been doing flys ever since I’ve began training, and my chest is probably my best bodypart. They work, just need to make sure they’re flys and not a wide dumbbell bench.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
The difference between strength and bodybuilding programs is volume. Up the volume if you want to use it as a bodybuilding program.[/quote]
That is NOT the difference, considering that some strength routines have VERY high volume. The routines are designed differently, and in some cases, VERY differently. [/quote]
LMFAO. Continue living in fantasy land where isolation exercises are needed for hypertrophy.
I’m sure the few sets of isolation exercises Marius Pudz does is what shaped his physique and not the mountains of heavy squats and presses. LO FUCKING L.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Austin, how do you feel those incline flyes have worked out for chest growth? I might be starting Dave Tates 6-week bench routine but since there’s little chest work I was planning to add incline flyes so I could get some in without adding more pressing. [/quote]
I’ve been doing flys ever since I’ve began training, and my chest is probably my best bodypart. They work, just need to make sure they’re flys and not a wide dumbbell bench. [/quote]
There is actually less activation of the muscle fibers in the chest during a fly than during a bench press. You’d be better off doing a few extra sets of bench instead. Once again, volume = hypertrophy.
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Austin, how do you feel those incline flyes have worked out for chest growth? I might be starting Dave Tates 6-week bench routine but since there’s little chest work I was planning to add incline flyes so I could get some in without adding more pressing. [/quote]
I’ve been doing flys ever since I’ve began training, and my chest is probably my best bodypart. They work, just need to make sure they’re flys and not a wide dumbbell bench. [/quote]
There is actually less activation of the muscle fibers in the chest during a fly than during a bench press. You’d be better off doing a few extra sets of bench instead. Once again, volume = hypertrophy.
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Thanks for your insight. Just remember to tell all the IFBB pros and top natural competitors that they’re wasting their time with isolation exercises.
By the way… when the fuck did I say compound lifts aren’t necessary to build a huge physique, jerkoff?!
[quote]Osmosis wrote:
… the desire of benching 500lbs is not in my plans anymore.
I’m in WAY better shape than other guys my age…38 yrs old. I love training. It’s like my “fightclub release”.
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RESIGNING takes tons of pressure off of oneself. Sorry to say that in this day and age of self-help bullshit.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Thanks for your insight. Just remember to tell all the IFBB pros and top natural competitors that they’re wasting their time with isolation exercises.
By the way… when the fuck did I say compound lifts aren’t necessary to build a huge physique, jerkoff?![/quote]
It even says, in the very article he’s linked to, that
Why the frick are we debating this yet again!!??
What the FUCK is inherently wrong with doing exercises to better target certain muscle groups?
Keep in mind that even powerlifters use isolation exercises (though not to the same extent) to bring up weak areas because when doing exercises with many muscles involved, some muscles will be weaker than others, and those are the ones that need direct attention.
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Austin, how do you feel those incline flyes have worked out for chest growth? I might be starting Dave Tates 6-week bench routine but since there’s little chest work I was planning to add incline flyes so I could get some in without adding more pressing. [/quote]
I’ve been doing flys ever since I’ve began training, and my chest is probably my best bodypart. They work, just need to make sure they’re flys and not a wide dumbbell bench. [/quote]
There is actually less activation of the muscle fibers in the chest during a fly than during a bench press. You’d be better off doing a few extra sets of bench instead. Once again, volume = hypertrophy.
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An argument that could be made against the study would be that all 13 subjects were bodybuilders that been in it for at least 7 years which means all of them have learned how to press with their chest,
had the study used beginners there would be some that got great activation in the pecs from benching, while others wouldn’t get any activation in the pecs from benching. But all of the beginners would get activation in the pecs from doing variations of flies.
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
The difference between strength and bodybuilding programs is volume. Up the volume if you want to use it as a bodybuilding program.[/quote]
That is NOT the difference, considering that some strength routines have VERY high volume. The routines are designed differently, and in some cases, VERY differently. [/quote]
LMFAO. Continue living in fantasy land where isolation exercises are needed for hypertrophy.
I’m sure the few sets of isolation exercises Marius Pudz does is what shaped his physique and not the mountains of heavy squats and presses. LO FUCKING L.[/quote]
lo fucking l on you failing reading comprehension. everyone knows the compound lifts build the main meat. Isolation is not needed for hypertrophy, you can get that just fine with compound lifts TO A CERTAIN POINT. But you are not going to go anywhere in bodybuilding unless you do isolation exercises. Name one bodybuilder who doesn’t do isolation, just one.
I’ve got a longitudinal study: SIX DECADES of top bodybuilders using both isolation and compound exercises!
How does that grab ya?
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
The difference between strength and bodybuilding programs is volume. Up the volume if you want to use it as a bodybuilding program.[/quote]
That is NOT the difference, considering that some strength routines have VERY high volume. The routines are designed differently, and in some cases, VERY differently. [/quote]
LMFAO. Continue living in fantasy land where isolation exercises are needed for hypertrophy.
I’m sure the few sets of isolation exercises Marius Pudz does is what shaped his physique and not the mountains of heavy squats and presses. LO FUCKING L.[/quote]
My two cents here.
Your argument is weak. Take Mariuz. Watch the dude’s workouts. Looks very ‘bodybuilder-like’ once you take out push-presses.
If you can get full round shoulders doing just overhead presses, or decent biceps doing back work, congratulations, but most people can’t.
The efficacy of isolation exercise has been debated hundreds of times on this sub-forum.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’ve got a longitudinal study: SIX DECADES of top bodybuilders using both isolation and compound exercises!
How does that grab ya? [/quote]
This is an incredibly weak argument…
Even though I agree with you…
this thread has been completely hijacked
[quote]Amiright wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’ve got a longitudinal study: SIX DECADES of top bodybuilders using both isolation and compound exercises!
How does that grab ya? [/quote]
This is an incredibly weak argument…
Even though I agree with you…
this thread has been completely hijacked[/quote]
This is weak? Are you fucking kidding me? The proof of what works for the most successful bodybuilders, Olympians included, is weak?
Are you serious?
Apologies for this post, it was 430am, I was highly intoxicated and enraged that isolation exercises get a bad rap.
They’re necessary for biceps, triceps, shoulders and calves. Though I don’t see them being THAT valuable for other bodyparts.
My favorite split of all time is the one Ian King used most frequently in his articles here:
Monday - horizontal push/pull
Tuesday - deadlift
Thursday - vertical push/pull
Friday - squat
This is basically exactly like Wendler’s 5/3/1… it’s very balanced, good frequency for all areas as everything gets hit once hard and then indirectly a second time each week.
Have fun, you ignorant… inexperienced… forum-cruising… ill-informed… peer-reviewed-study-reading… newjack… armchair-expert… buck-sixty to buck-eighty jerkoffs!
[quote]Clown Face wrote:
They’re necessary for biceps, triceps, shoulders and calves. Though I don’t see them being THAT valuable for other bodyparts.[/quote]
I’d have to agree with this. Calves don’t get hit really hard by anything else. Bis, tris, and shoulders eventually stall with just compund movements. I’ve found that direct ab work helps as well.
Yeah, ab work is really up to whether you need it or not. Though it only recently came to my attention how important ab work really can be if you plan on competing
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:
The difference between strength and bodybuilding programs is volume. Up the volume if you want to use it as a bodybuilding program.[/quote]
That is NOT the difference, considering that some strength routines have VERY high volume. The routines are designed differently, and in some cases, VERY differently. [/quote]
LMFAO. Continue living in fantasy land where isolation exercises are needed for hypertrophy.
I’m sure the few sets of isolation exercises Marius Pudz does is what shaped his physique and not the mountains of heavy squats and presses. LO FUCKING L.[/quote]
LMFAO at the fact you look like a second year serious lifter after 8 fucking years, and you actually are trying to tell people bigger and stronger than you that they are wrong.
Sometimes T-Nation is so entertaining.