The thing about this stuff is that it doesn’t have to affect your kid in order to have some degree of power and influence. It only has to affect a number of kids that is enough to be a vocal minority that is able to get into positions of power and influence at disproportionately high levels.
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Perspective is important though. A few angry lesbians and a handful of emotionally reactive women making empty threats aren’t going to upend anything.
I read more shit about topics like 4b, trans, the end of the world et cetera on T-nation than I do anywhere else, including real life, and I spend at least one day per week if not more in Austin.
Go outside. Find your flock and quit obsessing over what some angry lesbians are doing.
Female libidos are alive and well. And they like cocks, on men.
And they won’t make you quit your job to fuck them.
Unplug for a few days. You’ll be glad you did.
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The only place I’ve heard or read about this movement is here, aside from whatever news snippet I read that was posted here. I am seeing a lot of women’s be-okay-alone-self-care type stuff on my social media feeds, though, which I frankly enjoy. Examples:
I suspect any woman who forswears men for political reasons isn’t much into them anyway, so they would probably be low sex, high conflict partners.
Like, are we women missing anything if an angry manosphere guy swears off us? No. They don’t seem to like women beyond as sex partners, so whether he likes the sex or not, eventually his attitudes would shut his partner down toward him and there you’d be - low sex, high conflict relationship. We’re all better off without these.
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And then you see them as presidents of Ivy League universities, on school boards, DAs, judges, and politicians.
The issue isn’t really this particular movement but the fact it’s even a thing. These ideas that can be dismissed as fringe and outliers all have a source. They are the fringes of a more established and from my perspective nefarious ideology. We can connect modern feminism and CRT to Critical Theory. We can also trace these things to Marxism. The founders of BLM proudly declared they were trained Marxists. These ideas are much more established and baked in than the fringe manifestations we see.
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Right next to non lesbians and men.
And then life goes on. In to sunlit canopies or whatever.
I guess I just don’t have the same fear of lesbians.
Maybe instead of focusing on some temporarily angry women who only have a platform because dudes on the internet discuss them ad nauseam , spend time learning how to avoid being a constant victim.
I promise you can live a life with a woman while maintaining the dominant role in the relationship and living by traditional gender roles and patterns, even in the midst of the great and devastating 4b movement.
Go do it. Be stronger than the angry lesbians.
I believe in you.
Or just talk in circles by selectively ignoring/highlighting subject matter until they give up.
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This is an answer looking for a question. You’re positing an argument no one is making and then attacking it. Is this an attempt at trolling or baiting? If you honestly don’t care and have nothing to offer with regard to the topic, then maybe you should take your own advice and unplug. We get it, you aren’t scared of lesbians. Can we move on from your humble brag now?
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Remind the 4B retards they’re completely irrelevant outside of their online echo chambers… On second thought don’t
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I see your points. And much of the manosphere is garbage. However I suspect some in this fringe 4B movement have had plenty of sex and “boyfriends” over the course of their lives, in the same way I suspect some who express a problem with “age-gap relationships” have had such relationships of their own, including at ages that would make us cringe.
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Once upon a time we called these people “confirmed bachelors” and “old maids.” Whose fault it was that they were unpartnered probably varied - some men and some women were involuntarily celibate or without relationships, others were the rejecting party.
I just don’t see it as different today. I will acknowledge that more women than men are “opting out” than in previous years, but I get why. It’s women who are financially independent (generally through their own efforts) and don’t want to take care of a man baby that are tipping the scale.
I get the impression that the 4B thing is just a fad among social media addicts. It’s a great way to get views, attention, and followers.
But I’m glad this thread was started because now I have somewhere to put these memes.
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I think the 4B’s took care of themselves on my social media circles. Everyone who posted “unfriend me if you voted for Trump” has had their request fulfilled and I don’t hang out with Bates College students or faculty. In 2024 most of these types aren’t even on my radar.
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No, it’s not.
My wife doesnt work because she doesnt need to.
Does that make her a woman baby?
Not if that’s your agreement.
But I daresay that many of the married men complaining about women in general could label their women “babies.” The men who work and also have to pick up all the slack their kids’ mom leaves because she’s (whatever the problem is - not driven, lazy, slovenly, not as bright as he initially thought, whatever).
I certainly encounter disappointment on both sides of the aisle. People who let themselves go; people who “don’t like to [cook, clean, play with kids, read books, go outside, be fun] anymore.”
It’s a people thing, not a man/woman thing.
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I’m asking if you’d just as openly call a woman in this position a “woman baby” as you use the male equivalent.
I actually think it’s great that some men and women are removing themselves from the sexual market. Both sexes will eventually return to the negotiation table. And the sooner the better.
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I’m not sure what you mean. I don’t think all men are babies. I’d probably use a different derogatory for a female, but the point is the same. Contribute in whatever manner the two of you work out, or people will sympathize with your partner when they express feeling trapped or leave.
I have a friend (though given what I’m getting ready to say I am obviously not a good friend to her, but that’s ok, we rarely interact) whose husband begged her to return to work along and along as his industry contracted. She refused and then screwed him over in their eventual divorce. She’s tried to continue living as a SAHM as best she can, contributing almost nothing to her own upkeep. On the other hand, he cheated and was caught, which brought the whole thing to a head. I would call him an asshole and her a baby. She has a teaching degree and just let it all go.
“Being a baby” is probably a thing more often experienced by women who find themselves cleaning up after their husbands in the same way they do their children. The nagging wives, let us say, to be fair.
You can find fault wherever, but that there was a mismatch of some sort remains the problem and it’s to be found on both sides of the equation.
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I don’t think they’ve ever left. Some proportion of the population is going to be discontented and blame it on something or someone, e.g. men, women, the cops, the criminals. The rest are not.
I work with people divorcing or breaking up and the good ones re-up and form relationships with better boundaries or communication or whatever. I have yet to meet someone IRL who’s “opted out” who isn’t over 60, and I have an ever changing caseload of about 40 people at any given time, men and women.
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Most of us are. War is what happens when babies have armies.