46 Yr Old Boxer. Start Roids for Life?

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@alex_uk . This was my impression from past experience in other areas. The NHS. Yes my friend has the golf ball in his arse that you speak of. Not nice.

Luckily I dont have any other symptoms mate, just the recovery time of a grandpa. pfft. If I train too hard these days im literally wiped out on the settee for the next 6-8 hours.

I may get back to you re the private route. Thanks for the info.

@Blshaw

Please remember I wasent asking for TRT. Well, I was just gonna do the same thing just administer myself. However you do it though I think it becomes a nesisity as a mans test goes off the boil. Remember Roman centurions were ancient if they made 50. Now 50 is a young age to die. I want to ā€˜liveā€™ the second part of my life. Im 50 in 4 years time. Actually 3!! Bloody hell ha I still wana be training and at least maintaining when im 65! Ill pack in when im ready is my ethos.

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@mfezdro - Hey thanks man. Sounds like you have already been and done this where I am now.

Please give as much info as you can like where I start and what you would do diff.

EDIT - What cycle do you run at mo mate? What worked out for you in the end?

PS - I can still bat the youngans out the ring. Sisyā€™s man this iPhone generation! Some of them come in, get on the heavy bag, bang hell out of itā€¦for 60 seconds then go on facebook to tell everyone about it. So much so the gym owner got a sign up that had ā€˜Selfie area - U25ā€™s onlyā€™ Haā€¦gotta laugh right :slight_smile:

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Whether self administered or under supervised car we are talking the same thing until you start blasting. I was just trying to help set expectations. There is a honeymoon period but itā€™s short lived and then youā€™re just married to the needle. If you have low T or age related loss of T itā€™s probably going to be a big difference. Best of luck to you sir!

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@blshaw

Mate please donā€™t bow out of this thread.

Your raise a very valid point. Re chained to the needle.

How old are you if you donā€™t mind me asking.

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Iā€™m 38 and was diagnosed with secondary hypo at 34. Started TRT at that young age. Iā€™m on the fence as to whether it was worth it. It was kind of like a gateway in which it led to more T and light-moderate cycling. I constantly wonder if it was worth it. Iā€™ll say that 100% I wish I didnā€™t need it but since I do itā€™s probably the best option.

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I was put on TRT early 2016. I ran the usual gauntlet, 100mg/week, I tried 150, 180, 200 and 250. For me 180 to 200 works best. Iā€™ve tried once a week, every 3,5 days and EOD injections, twice a week works. Iā€™ve tried AI and HCG, neither are great for me. Once settled I like to keep it simple with just test C. As @blshaw brings home quite hard, Iā€™m married to the needle now.
I started with gear in 2007 so probably bought the TRT on myself. If I cycle now I keep the T around 250-375 and usually add either masteron, primo if I can get legit gear, equipoise or anavar. I tried NPP (short ester deca) once and wonā€™t again, also wonā€™t touch Tren. I donā€™t really stack products anymore. A typical blast for me would be 375mg test and 300mg masteron for 10 weeks. Iā€™m currently 3 weeks into a 6 week run of 250mg test and 60mg daily anavar. I have some primo but am waiting for a test kit, as I donā€™t know the lab. I feel youā€™re likely a candidate for TRT considering your age and training history. If youā€™re not on TRT you have to give serious consideration to regaining your natural levels with PCT. I think youā€™ll struggle to recover natural production fully after a few cycles and thereā€™s no such thing as ā€œjust one cycleā€.

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Not all heroes wear capes right.
We see these guys in the gym often, I once bumped a guy in the pub who told me he fought on a night I competed which he didnā€™t, a complete bullshit story, I donā€™t understand it at all. We also often get guys who donā€™t need to train because they ā€œfight in the streetā€. A round or two with one of our 17 year olds normally sorts that out pretty quickly.

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Hi guys

Just to be clear, I wouldnā€™t be stacking anything. Thats not really the objective for me here. I never did back in the day when I wanted much more muscle. Even then I was always cautious often running lower than the prescribed by the masses 500 mil of Test. Id go 400. Ive always been that way.

To total go against the above I do remember stacking Deca once with Test and it turned me into a complete dick with everyone! I was new to taking roids (I still to date have only done 5 cycles and nothing in the last 10 years) and thought it must be the Test. A guy on another forum said try removing the Deca as he was the same. It worked. Put me off stacking forever.

Right now though, I just want to maintain my fitness. Not have it withered away. I basically am fighting age and looking for an edge! Thats it for me. I honestly need a quater of the muscle you fellaā€™s probably have if your a BBer. Full respect for the total dedication it takes to build that body, talking in decades. But for me, TOO much muscle detracts from my cardio. I need an all round fitness. Its important to remember as it has been pointed out Im looking to do TRT but at the high end of normal. Only!

Ive had some great advice here. Im going to get my levels done by my GP and report back.

However, im still very unsure of how the NHS would help me beyond getting me into an average level at best on a quaterly injection. I think how it will go, Ill get my levels, and then self medicate or not.

Grateful for all the welth of experience ive took in here. Nice!

OFF TOPIC BUT INTERESTED:-
I notice (@mfezdro) you mention Tren and Deca but dont say why? Interested all though it has nothing to do with this topic as im not considering either, but just interested did you suffer from dick head itus too? I mean without any gear I aways think men should be men. Im into banter and all other sorts of lads crap. But I like to think Im a respectful person and yes to banter but im not bully making people upset at the core. Deca seemed to bring a bad side out in me I didnā€™t like.

I think its true we all have multiple sides to our personality. But there are sides I like to encourage with my conscious mind and demon sides I fight to oppose.

PLEASE EXCUSE TYPOS. IM A CRAP SPELLER BUT THIS IPHONE BRINGS ME TO A NEW LEVEL OF FAIL.

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All the points on this thread come down to shall I chooseā€¦

A> Marriage to the needle (A superb and hard hitting phrase - kudos @blshaw)

Or

B>Withering away

No good option there I feel :frowning:

(Edited to change layout to make better flowing sense)

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The NPP was amazing for the first 4 weeks, felt strong and really good sense of well being. Weeks 5 and six I started losing libido and was not getting as hard as usual. Also lost morning wood which is a marker for me. I then suffered close to depression mindset for another 6 weeks or so it just wasnā€™t worth it. Iā€™ve never tried Tren but my perception is itā€™s really strong, toxic and can magnify my experience of NPP. Iā€™m not that invested to justify the risk. I can cut a percent or two of BF with diet so donā€™t need Tren and I compete within weight limits do I donā€™t want it need huge mass. Iā€™m happy with a lean athletic build and I take compound that work for that goal.

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Is NPP the thing my mate is on? IE 3 monthly shot?

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NPP is in the same family as deca, the 19-Nor. I believe its quicker acting version of deca and leaves your system faster.

Nebido, the stuff your friend is on is a slow acting testosterone.

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Thanks for clarification mate. I had looked it up but still wasent sure.

Does anyone have anything to say on how I tied this entire thread together?

IE

A> Marriage to the needle

Or

B>Withering away

Or am I seeing this too black and white? Is there another angle im not seeing here as this is how it looks to me if you want to keep training into your later life? If my recovery time gets any worse ill be training twice a week FFS.

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Jump on brother, you can age gracefully , rather than decrepitly

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I would say think about it for a bit. Itā€™s a big decision. Iā€™m on trt, and younger at 32, but I weighed it out for about a year. In that time I got a few blood tests to confirm low testosterone levels.

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Hi guys

Yes I think this is something to not do before 2021. Iā€™m gonna do much research and get a baseline done. I say 2021 as it makes me make no rash decision. Gotta be certain.

Thanks too all for info.

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Hi Loch,

UK lad here also so hope i can help you in some way.

Started TRT around a year ago (younger than you for medical reasons) but even then this wasnā€™t worked out easily and it took so many barriers to finally start getting back to my normal self.

The NHS will never help! i have been down this avenue and if Nebido is what you want than please have, They are also fuckers with the blood tests. but there are so many more effective compounds out there man that will change your life. I would recommend private, biggest investment in your life and will change the way you view the world and your goals once optimised. When i mean private i ainā€™t talking Harley St unless your into that.

It is also hard during this Pandemic to visit clinics face to face, a Teleclinic may be in your favour. (Balance My Hormones UK.)
The main thing you need to do is have your bloods checked, to me this i where it gets messy. Because there are ā€˜bloodsā€™ and there are ā€˜bloodsā€™.

NHS will give you the most basic set of bloods, but without a through set the right decisions cannot be made.

There could be many reasons for feeling unwell, even if the person has high or Low T levels, so the surrounding BioMarkers need to evaluated just as much. Vitamin Levels, Bone, Liver, Kidney function can play a large factor.

Primary

Full Blood Count - RBC + WBC
HbA1c level - Diabetes

Hormones
Serum Testosterone
Free Testosterone (Calculation)
SHBG
Estradiol (E2)
Prolactin
FSH
LH
Pregnenolone
DHEA-S

Secondary (Just as important as primary for overall health)
BONE Function
LIVER Function
KIDNEY Function
THYROID Function Tests (All)

TOTAL PROTEINS
ALBUMIN
GLOBULIN
SHGB

Vitamin B12
Ferritin - Iron

From a wellness perceptive i think Test E or any other ester at 1mg/Lb if IM should not have any issues. is a decent rule of thumb although everyone is different so you will need to adjust protocol once started.

They even do Transdermal Gels which you apply daily. not as effective but you can always move on to IM if you feel they are not beneficial once you start.

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Hi mate,

Thanks for that. Where would you reckon I go for bloods then? Im in North East England if it matters. We have a local BUPA / Spire here.

Cant I insist NHS takes better tests.

And ha, no im not that wealthy mate re harley st

ALot of what you posted was a little over my head but hey its a learning curve. Gives me something to research.

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Medichecks, online postal tests then you can order what you like, NHS tests depend on your GP so hit or miss if they listen to you or not! Might be worth a try, nothing to lose.

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Thanks Alex. I wasent aware such services existed. Thanks again.

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