[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I disagree with your disagreement…the only way it’s a level playing field is if everybody is treated the same. You cannot excuse racist behavior as “making up for past ills”. Or “they had it coming”.[/quote]
But everybody isnt treated the same to begin with. [/quote]
And whose fault is that?
Does giving certain races a pass now for bad behavior, make up for another races bad decisions in the past?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
So yea, maybe I do get defensive when people love to play the “whitey is holding down the brothers” card because I think minorities get a pass acting racist or worse for the most part.[/quote]
You get quite a few passes as well, though. [/quote]
Oh really? How so?
Just by being white? THATS RAYCESS!!
Forgive me, I couldnt help it
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
So yea, maybe I do get defensive when people love to play the “whitey is holding down the brothers” card because I think minorities get a pass acting racist or worse for the most part.[/quote]
You get quite a few passes as well, though. [/quote]
Oh really? How so?
Just by being white? THATS RAYCESS!![/quote]
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
When it comes to your point of not speaking up or questioning stuff because of a “war”, it reminds me of 1984, you know the book by orwell where the state allways is in a war to keep the people in line.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
this is pure win.
like having you in here man, you are great at exposing reactionary bullshit.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
[/quote]
Why is that irrelevant to the topic?..if other races are just as racist, is that not exactly the topic at hand.
I love how people try and say things that directly contradict their point as “irrelevant”
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
[/quote]
Why is that irrelevant to the topic?..if other races are just as racist, is that not exactly the topic at hand.
I love how people try and say things that directly contradict their point as “irrelevant” [/quote]
the original topic of this thread was the study about mississippi republicans wanting to ban interracial marriage, the original topic was not black racism. And as smh23 pointed out, it was only brought up to excuse white racism, wich is rather sikening.
If you like to discuss non-white racism or racism in general, I can make a new thread about it.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
[/quote]
Why is that irrelevant to the topic?..if other races are just as racist, is that not exactly the topic at hand.
I love how people try and say things that directly contradict their point as “irrelevant” [/quote]
the original topic of this thread was the study about mississippi republicans wanting to ban interracial marriage, the original topic was not black racism. And as smh23 pointed out, it was only brought up to excuse white racism, wich is rather sikening.
If you like to discuss non-white racism or racism in general, I can make a new thread about it. [/quote]
No, White southern racism was brought up in reaction to the article. General racism including blacks was brought up as a reaction to the people bringing up white racism. And I’ve yet to see anyone excuse any racism.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
[/quote]
Why is that irrelevant to the topic?..if other races are just as racist, is that not exactly the topic at hand.
I love how people try and say things that directly contradict their point as “irrelevant” [/quote]
the original topic of this thread was the study about mississippi republicans wanting to ban interracial marriage, the original topic was not black racism. And as smh23 pointed out, it was only brought up to excuse white racism, wich is rather sikening.
If you like to discuss non-white racism or racism in general, I can make a new thread about it. [/quote]
For the love of Jeebus Flor.
The black racism that was brought up was the general prevalence of acceptance of blacks who are allowed speak out against mixed marriages with no repercussions.
No how the hell is that not relevant?
Cap and smh23, while I disagree with them, actually make sense in their arguments…unlike you.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
[/quote]
Why is that irrelevant to the topic?..if other races are just as racist, is that not exactly the topic at hand.
I love how people try and say things that directly contradict their point as “irrelevant” [/quote]
the original topic of this thread was the study about mississippi republicans wanting to ban interracial marriage, the original topic was not black racism. And as smh23 pointed out, it was only brought up to excuse white racism, wich is rather sikening.
If you like to discuss non-white racism or racism in general, I can make a new thread about it. [/quote]
No, White southern racism was brought up in reaction to the article. General racism including blacks was brought up as a reaction to the people bringing up white racism. And I’ve yet to see anyone excuse any racism.[/quote]
I don’t think there’s a clear cut definition of “racism”.
If I see a 20 yr old Crown Vic with black dudes in it driving through my subdivision - you bet I’m gonna be paying extra attention to it.
Am I “racist” ?
There were a whopping 400 selectively picked people for this study. They had to be registered republicans who usually vote in primaries. The study was done over the phone via phone robot. 8%, or 32 people consider themselves liberal??! 53% were women, 47% men, 68% were over the age of 46…
The one thing the study did not measure? Race. We don’t know if the participants where white, black, hispanic, asian, arab, indain, etc.
BUT…You all assumed them the be a bunch of Crackers, huh? Everybody thinks they are all a bunch of white-ass, cracker-ass honkeys on this survey, when in truth they could all have been black…The only white…sorry, I meant cracker-ass, honkey family in all of Mississippi is the Favre’s.
[quote]pat wrote:
There were a whopping 400 selectively picked people for this study. They had to be registered republicans who usually vote in primaries. The study was done over the phone via phone robot. 8%, or 32 people consider themselves liberal??! 53% were women, 47% men, 68% were over the age of 46…
The one thing the study did not measure? Race. We don’t know if the participants where white, black, hispanic, asian, arab, indain, etc.
BUT…You all assumed them the be a bunch of Crackers, huh? Everybody thinks they are all a bunch of white-ass, cracker-ass honkeys on this survey, when in truth they could all have been black…The only white…sorry, I meant cracker-ass, honkey family in all of Mississippi is the Favre’s. [/quote]
Please don’t let your sound logic impede the race baiting that folks love to run with.
THAT’S NOT KEEPING IT REAL!!
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.[/quote]
Actually exposing racism is the only way of dealing with it. That would probably help create a less divided society. black racism is irrelevant to the topic, but I agree it should be exposed to.
When it comes to your point of not speaking up or questioning stuff because of a “war”, it reminds me of 1984, you know the book by orwell where the state allways is in a war to keep the people in line.
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Firstly, I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticise America during wartime. What I’m saying is these sorts of selective criticisms, used exclusively against America/Western democracies, are unwise/immoral considering:
The achievements of the civil rights movement and the inherent LACK of racism in America/Western democracies compared to any other countries. E.g. the Sudan, where there is an actual thriving slave trade or any of the Jihadist collaborator states we are at war with. How many threads has the OP posted expressing his concern for the genocide of indigenous blacks in the Sudan or the genocidal racism practiced in many other countries across the globe?
That in the midst of a worldwide war against Jihadists and collaborator Nation states who make the same accusations to undermine our war effort, it is not morally justifiable to do the same e.g. See Larry King’s fawning interview with Ahmadinejad where Ahmadinejad pretends to be a liberal progressive complaining about the number of people in US prisons(!), about the treatment of American protesters at the G20 summit, the number of American Indians killed and his asssertion that intelligence agencies should ‘work more transparantly based on humanitarian priciples’(!) - Sound familiar? I thought I was listening to Michael Moore for a moment.
That using statistics from some poll that purport to show Mississippi Republican voters comprise a stupid/racist element, the implication being that these are white people, IS stirring up racial divisions. The inevitable response will be people making similar accusations against blacks/Hispanics etc.
The OP is clearly a racist who cannot/will not see what millions of migrants who come to the US for a better life can see. That they will have more oppotunities and experience less discrimination than virtually any other country on earth.
I don’t recall any part of the OP stating that the polled people were white. Yet, post upon post about black people being racist because the conservatives just assume that the people questioned are white.
What does that say?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The OP is clearly a racist who cannot/will not see what millions of migrants who come to the US for a better life can see. That they will have more oppotunities and experience less discrimination than virtually any other country on earth.[/quote]
I’m sorry, did something I wrote state that white people are racist?
Are you able to read? Is there any point in me typing to you, or will even this fly over your simple little reptile brain?
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
this is pure win.
like having you in here man, you are great at exposing reactionary bullshit.[/quote]
Many thanks good sir.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The OP is clearly a racist who cannot/will not see what millions of migrants who come to the US for a better life can see. That they will have more oppotunities and experience less discrimination than virtually any other country on earth.[/quote]
I’m sorry, did something I wrote state that white people are racist?
Are you able to read? Is there any point in me typing to you, or will even this fly over your simple little reptile brain?[/quote]
I’m sorry, did something I ‘wrote(sic) state’ that you said ‘white people are racist’? Do you know what the word ‘implication’ means?
To post statistics purporting to show that some Republican voters in the deep south are in favour of banning inter-racial marrriage is implicating that these voters are white and racist. Endy-fuck’n-story.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
To post statistics purporting to show that some Republican voters in the deep south are in favour of banning inter-racial marrriage is implicating that these voters are white and racist. Endy-fuck’n-story.[/quote]
Yes, the people polled were presumably mostly white (considering that likely Republican primary voters are overwhelmingly white) and at least 46% of them were overtly racist. There is no need for implication or insinuation–it is pretty explicitly straight forward.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
simple little reptile brain?[/quote]
Speciest.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I don’t recall any part of the OP stating that the polled people were white. Yet, post upon post about black people being racist because the conservatives just assume that the people questioned are white.
What does that say?[/quote]
It says your busted and you know it. You never assumed for one second that the republicans they questioned were black…
You made the assertion that these republicans questioned are white, ass-backward rednecks who are the core of the republican party.
I’m dumb, but not that dumb…