[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Points you ignored:
“Thankfully the black head of the justice department gave them a get out of jail free card under the direction of a black head of the country. Otherwise, these people who have no voice in the government would have no recourse.”
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Strawman. I never said black people have no voice in the government.
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Then, pray tell, what is this systematic racism? If blacks are fairly represented in the system, how is promoting the black race “advancement” and promoting the white race “dominance”.
No, you used different words with very different if no opposite connotations without reference as to how the actual acts are different in an attempt to arbitrarily color the actions. If you are going to use very different language for the 2 scenarios, you need to explain the difference that justifies that terminology, rather than just throwing obviously biased words around.
A race cannot feel, it cannot do anything. It is an arbitrary group label. It cannot be poor, it cannot feel hunger. Only a person can do that. A race does not have rights. Only individuals have rights. Therefore than can be no racial inequality, only personal inequality.
You are contending that it is different for the dominant race in a society to be racist than it is for a historically discriminated one. why does that not apply in Mexico?
Still ignored the point. And the insult was against your argument.
You keep saying that it is different. That there are reasons that racist minorities don’t get lambasted in the media and can get away with saying ignorant racist things. You are saying there is a reason racist voter intimidation gets overlook by the justice department. That is what I mean by “let off the hook”. And yes, you have been saying those things.
But you are still ignoring the point. Then in your own words is it “different” if a white guy is in a majority black area?
And I retorted you when you addressed this. because you were factually incorrect in your assertion and logically incoherent, you failed to respond.
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Not straw men.[/quote]
Mostly straw men.[/quote]
Nope.
DD - I dont feel like going back and forth with you today. Call it a win for you.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
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Well haaay, havent seen a war monger on these boards in a while. Trying to bring back the good ol days of “If you say anything bad about America you’re helping the terrorists win!”?
LOLOLOLOL. GTFO.
Criticising America is the most patriotic thing an American can do - the foundation of this country is the fact that Americans CAN criticise America without fear of retaliation. [/quote]
Why do you hate America?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
DD - I dont feel like going back and forth with you today. Call it a win for you.[/quote]
That isn’t a win. I come here for entertainment. Now I have to go find someone else to pick an argument with.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
DD - I dont feel like going back and forth with you today. Call it a win for you.[/quote]
That isn’t a win. I come here for entertainment. Now I have to go find someone else to pick an argument with.[/quote]
I think you and TheBodyGuard would be a good exchange.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
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Yes Mr. McCarthy, it is not only sound but necessary as Orion has already said.
You know where your line of thinking would have fit like a glove? Berlin 1939. Moscow 1950. China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia today. People like you think you’re patriots but you miss out on the one thing that actually does make this country great while you’re having wet dreams about fascism.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?[/quote]
I’m not sure exactly what you mean… someone saying that black men are attracted to white women? Someone using the term “n@gga”?
Its not “ok” for any race to use slurs, be racist, etc. I’ve never argued that it is ok. Can we be clear on that?[/quote]
My point was, and you know exactly what I mean…why is it ok for mainstream media to print opinions of blacks, who are extremely anti bi-racial marriage…with no retort.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
Weirdly offensive and vaguely related?? Really? thought you were smarter than that.
I have posted a large number of examples of mainstream media publishing opinions of blacks who are very much anti bi-racial marriage.
The percentages of blacks who are anti bi-racial marriage are the same as whites…yet whites are the racists.
Why is that so difficult for you to wrap your bean around?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
Weirdly offensive and vaguely related?? Really? thought you were smarter than that.
I have posted a large number of examples of mainstream media publishing opinions of blacks who are very much anti bi-racial marriage.
The percentages of blacks who are anti bi-racial marriage are the same as whites…yet whites are the racists.
Why is that so difficult for you to wrap your bean around?[/quote]
When confronted with facts like this, liberals react like a world class boxer after getting a punch thrown at him; they immediately respond with a dodge and strike without thinking. It’s second nature.
The reason is they have been conditioned to use the “racism” cry punch and guilt move as soon as they realize something is not good for blacks or other non-whites. Blacks benefit from being around whites as much as possible, while whites lose from being around blacks, hence the cry which is used to make whites feel bad about their human right to be with their own kind.
Interracial marriage ban would NOT inherently prefer any race just like segregation did not benefit any race. Blacks can’t be with whites and vice versa. There already is a rape ban and a mugging ban and liberals might as well call it racist because although whites can’t rape and rob either, blacks are most seriously hurt because rape and mugging is so much more common among blacks!
100% of interracial rape (and consequently, the massive bulk of related harassment) is black on white so it would be naive to think that blacks would see this ban as equally neutral or positive as whites, as blacks are sexually attracted to whites but whites rarely want blacks.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?[/quote]
I’m not sure exactly what you mean… someone saying that black men are attracted to white women? Someone using the term “n@gga”?
Its not “ok” for any race to use slurs, be racist, etc. I’ve never argued that it is ok. Can we be clear on that?[/quote]
My point was, and you know exactly what I mean…why is it ok for mainstream media to print opinions of blacks, who are extremely anti bi-racial marriage…with no retort.
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Because society assumes different motives.
I’m not saying its right that society assumes different motives
I’m not saying society should assume different motives
I’m not saying its ok when a person of any race does it
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?[/quote]
I’m not sure exactly what you mean… someone saying that black men are attracted to white women? Someone using the term “n@gga”?
Its not “ok” for any race to use slurs, be racist, etc. I’ve never argued that it is ok. Can we be clear on that?[/quote]
My point was, and you know exactly what I mean…why is it ok for mainstream media to print opinions of blacks, who are extremely anti bi-racial marriage…with no retort.
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Because society assumes different motives.
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Then until society (Media) stops assuming things, and starts calling the game on the same level the racial divide will continue to expand.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?[/quote]
I’m not sure exactly what you mean… someone saying that black men are attracted to white women? Someone using the term “n@gga”?
Its not “ok” for any race to use slurs, be racist, etc. I’ve never argued that it is ok. Can we be clear on that?[/quote]
My point was, and you know exactly what I mean…why is it ok for mainstream media to print opinions of blacks, who are extremely anti bi-racial marriage…with no retort.
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Because society assumes different motives.
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Then until society (Media) stops assuming things, and starts calling the game on the same level the racial divide will continue to expand.[/quote]
I disagree. The racial divide is the cause of the different assumptions.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
Weirdly offensive and vaguely related?? Really? thought you were smarter than that.
I have posted a large number of examples of mainstream media publishing opinions of blacks who are very much anti bi-racial marriage.
The percentages of blacks who are anti bi-racial marriage are the same as whites…yet whites are the racists.
Why is that so difficult for you to wrap your bean around?[/quote]
My point is simply that black racism doesn’t excuse, justify, or ameliorate white racism.
All racists are assholes. All of them. One group’s racism is no better or worse in light of another’s. That’s my only point. I would have thought that more people would have expressed, at the very least, mild dislike for the idiots polled in the OP’s study. Instead many jumped right into counter-instances of prejudice among blacks.
I’m not saying prejudice among blacks doesn’t exist–many of them are extremely bigoted. I suspect that there are few ethnic groups in America more homophobic than the African American population as a whole (beside Muslims and perhaps the rural Southern consanguineous clans).
But that doesn’t change this study and its implications in even the remotest sense.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
Weirdly offensive and vaguely related?? Really? thought you were smarter than that.
I have posted a large number of examples of mainstream media publishing opinions of blacks who are very much anti bi-racial marriage.
The percentages of blacks who are anti bi-racial marriage are the same as whites…yet whites are the racists.
Why is that so difficult for you to wrap your bean around?[/quote]
My point is simply that black racism doesn’t excuse, justify, or ameliorate white racism.
All racists are assholes. All of them. One group’s racism is no better or worse in light of another’s. That’s my only point. I would have thought that more people would have expressed, at the very least, mild dislike for the idiots polled in the OP’s study. Instead many jumped right into counter-instances of prejudice among blacks.
I’m not saying prejudice among blacks doesn’t exist–many of them are extremely bigoted. I suspect that there are few ethnic groups in America more homophobic than the African American population as a whole (beside Muslims and perhaps the rural Southern consanguineous clans).
But that doesn’t change this study and its implications in even the remotest sense.[/quote]
Whites become defensive because being white constantly means having it assumed that you are a racist. Polls like the OP are seen as part of an agenda to “prove” that every white person is a raging bigot.
Its this emotionally driven defensiveness that makes it difficult for them to objectively consider the situation.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
Weirdly offensive and vaguely related?? Really? thought you were smarter than that.
I have posted a large number of examples of mainstream media publishing opinions of blacks who are very much anti bi-racial marriage.
The percentages of blacks who are anti bi-racial marriage are the same as whites…yet whites are the racists.
Why is that so difficult for you to wrap your bean around?[/quote]
My point is simply that black racism doesn’t excuse, justify, or ameliorate white racism.
All racists are assholes. All of them. One group’s racism is no better or worse in light of another’s. That’s my only point. I would have thought that more people would have expressed, at the very least, mild dislike for the idiots polled in the OP’s study. Instead many jumped right into counter-instances of prejudice among blacks.
I’m not saying prejudice among blacks doesn’t exist–many of them are extremely bigoted. I suspect that there are few ethnic groups in America more homophobic than the African American population as a whole (beside Muslims and perhaps the rural Southern consanguineous clans).
But that doesn’t change this study and its implications in even the remotest sense.[/quote]
Whites become defensive because being white constantly means having it assumed that you are a racist. Polls like the OP are seen as part of an agenda to “prove” that every white person is a raging bigot.
Its this emotionally driven defensiveness that makes it difficult for them to objectively consider the situation.[/quote]
“Them” who you calling “them” LOL I keed, I keed.
You make a decent point. But me being white and growing up in a neighborhood that was 80% black and latino…getting jumped every other day, called all sorts of names makes your skin pretty thick.
So yea, maybe I do get defensive when people love to play the “whitey is holding down the brothers” card because I think minorities get a pass acting racist or worse for the most part.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?[/quote]
I’m not sure exactly what you mean… someone saying that black men are attracted to white women? Someone using the term “n@gga”?
Its not “ok” for any race to use slurs, be racist, etc. I’ve never argued that it is ok. Can we be clear on that?[/quote]
My point was, and you know exactly what I mean…why is it ok for mainstream media to print opinions of blacks, who are extremely anti bi-racial marriage…with no retort.
[/quote]
Because society assumes different motives.
[/quote]
Then until society (Media) stops assuming things, and starts calling the game on the same level the racial divide will continue to expand.[/quote]
I disagree. The racial divide is the cause of the different assumptions.
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I disagree with your disagreement…the only way it’s a level playing field is if everybody is treated the same. You cannot excuse racist behavior as “making up for past ills”. Or “they had it coming”.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
Weirdly offensive and vaguely related?? Really? thought you were smarter than that.
I have posted a large number of examples of mainstream media publishing opinions of blacks who are very much anti bi-racial marriage.
The percentages of blacks who are anti bi-racial marriage are the same as whites…yet whites are the racists.
Why is that so difficult for you to wrap your bean around?[/quote]
My point is simply that black racism doesn’t excuse, justify, or ameliorate white racism.
All racists are assholes. All of them. One group’s racism is no better or worse in light of another’s. That’s my only point. I would have thought that more people would have expressed, at the very least, mild dislike for the idiots polled in the OP’s study. Instead many jumped right into counter-instances of prejudice among blacks.
I’m not saying prejudice among blacks doesn’t exist–many of them are extremely bigoted. I suspect that there are few ethnic groups in America more homophobic than the African American population as a whole (beside Muslims and perhaps the rural Southern consanguineous clans).
But that doesn’t change this study and its implications in even the remotest sense.[/quote]
Whites become defensive because being white constantly means having it assumed that you are a racist. Polls like the OP are seen as part of an agenda to “prove” that every white person is a raging bigot.
Its this emotionally driven defensiveness that makes it difficult for them to objectively consider the situation.[/quote]
“Them” who you calling “them” LOL I keed, I keed.
You make a decent point. But me being white and growing up in a neighborhood that was 80% black and latino…getting jumped every other day, called all sorts of names makes your skin pretty thick.
So yea, maybe I do get defensive when people love to play the “whitey is holding down the brothers” card because I think minorities get a pass acting racist or worse for the most part.[/quote]
I definitely agree that no one deserves a pass on this. Ever.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I disagree with your disagreement…the only way it’s a level playing field is if everybody is treated the same. You cannot excuse racist behavior as “making up for past ills”. Or “they had it coming”.[/quote]
But everybody isnt treated the same to begin with.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
So yea, maybe I do get defensive when people love to play the “whitey is holding down the brothers” card because I think minorities get a pass acting racist or worse for the most part.[/quote]
You get quite a few passes as well, though.
