[quote]pushharder wrote:
Having spent quite a bit of time in Idaho including residing there for awhile I find the characterization of the state or ANY locality in it being racist completely ludicrous.[/quote]
It’s difficult to be racist when everyone is the same race.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
And x2 on the delta
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The delta is both the most beautiful and ugliest place I’ve ever lived.[/quote]
I have never seen it worded better
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Just received my new Playboy today, and there was a letter to the editor regarding last months Playboy interview with Lamar Odem of the LA Lakers…from a African American lady named Kaneesha Worsham, I quote…
“As an African American women I almost wept reading the Playboy interview with Lamar Odem of the Lakers (February). Once again a prominent black male marries a white women and plunges a dagger of indifference into the hearts of his black sisters. How can he speak with love and sensitivity for his wife while figuratively slapping all black women in the face?”
But the whities in Mississippibanf the Tea Party are the racists? If a white women wrote the same letter would it have been published?[/quote]
The above quote is bat shit crazy. You love who you love. He loves her. He aint slappin all black women in the face. Publish her stupid letter to the editor and send her lonely ass a round-trip ticket to the next black panther rally. Racism is racism. Fuck anyone that harbors that poison. Lonely bitch.[/quote]
Agree, but the difference is this letter was published in a mainstream magazine. And not an eyelash was blinked by anybody.
People LOVE to point out how racist the Tea Party is and Southern whites in general, my point is the same percentage of blacks and latinos are just as racist as their white counterparts. But liberal white guilt keeps the media from treating it in the same manner.[/quote]
I fully agree. No color has the monopoly on racism.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Just received my new Playboy today, and there was a letter to the editor regarding last months Playboy interview with Lamar Odem of the LA Lakers…from a African American lady named Kaneesha Worsham, I quote…
“As an African American women I almost wept reading the Playboy interview with Lamar Odem of the Lakers (February). Once again a prominent black male marries a white women and plunges a dagger of indifference into the hearts of his black sisters. How can he speak with love and sensitivity for his wife while figuratively slapping all black women in the face?”
But the whities in Mississippibanf the Tea Party are the racists? If a white women wrote the same letter would it have been published?[/quote]
The above quote is bat shit crazy. You love who you love. He loves her. He aint slappin all black women in the face. Publish her stupid letter to the editor and send her lonely ass a round-trip ticket to the next black panther rally. Racism is racism. Fuck anyone that harbors that poison. Lonely bitch.[/quote]
Agree, but the difference is this letter was published in a mainstream magazine. And not an eyelash was blinked by anybody.
People LOVE to point out how racist the Tea Party is and Southern whites in general, my point is the same percentage of blacks and latinos are just as racist as their white counterparts. But liberal white guilt keeps the media from treating it in the same manner.[/quote]
They are actually way more racist then whites, partially due to the fact that their racism is being tolerated if not promoted. Compare public perception of “Black Power” or “La Raza” vs. “White Power” for example.
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Those sentiments may be the same, in one sense, but entirely different when taken in context.
For example, if I make a “Yo mamma” joke to someone whose mother is alive and well, and is a friend, it is entirely different than making that same joke to a stranger whose mother recently passed away. Same joke, same words, entirely different reaction and meaning.
White people have a lot of advantages in America. Nonwhites have equal disadvantage. So, when whites are faced with isolated incidents of racism, it’s qualitatively different than when nonwhites are faced with similiar incidents. Same with a news broadcaster risking offending whites vs offending nonwhites. The whites generally dont care - because their experience isn’t one that breeds sensitivity on racial matters.
Of course, none of this excuses what happened in the video or ANY incidents of racism - all are equally to be condemned. But it does explain why the same incident gets different reactions based on who is in what position.[/quote]
bullshit
I hope even someone like you doesn’t believe this huge pile of shit.[/quote]
Thank you for that meaningful post.
One of the problems with race relations in America is that whites are always asking why other races are so oversensitive - yet screaming bullshit whenever someone tries to explain. [/quote]
Yeah, DD did you think about his post or just react? If you don’t agree, provide a reasoned rebuttal. I read it and I can’t find much fault with it. He even says the why doesn’t excuse the act, he’s just providing an opinion regarding his insight into the “why”.
Why is it always the left bringing up racism, I.E. pitbull. Here we are arguing about an issue which the left care so much about and always bring up when they have no logic to follow.
As an Hispanic and foremost an American it bothers me because it seems to me that the left always distract us with the fucking race card or the wealth card. Is racism alive yes but does it hold back people like it did before, NO!
As an anchor baby who served I have experienced it full well, so what? High speed, low drag keep moving my friend. We are in America where your abilities, talent, work ethic are what determine who we are. Not our stupid pigment, by the way I have a great Tan going on. Its a dam shame that it is always the weak who bring up the wealth or race card. Its moronic that we fall into the liberals agenda.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Why is it always the left bringing up racism, I.E. pitbull. Here we are arguing about an issue which the left care so much about and always bring up when they have no logic to follow.
As an Hispanic and foremost an American it bothers me because it seems to me that the left always distract us with the fucking race card or the wealth card. Is racism alive yes but does it hold back people like it did before, NO!
As an anchor baby who served I have experienced it full well, so what? High speed, low drag keep moving my friend. We are in America where your abilities, talent, work ethic are what determine who we are. Not our stupid pigment, by the way I have a great Tan going on. Its a dam shame that it is always the weak who bring up the wealth or race card. Its moronic that we fall into the liberals agenda.
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Well put, on that we can agree.
But Pittbull is one of the more level folks on here…he should not be lumped in with the race baiters.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Points you ignored:
“Thankfully the black head of the justice department gave them a get out of jail free card under the direction of a black head of the country. Otherwise, these people who have no voice in the government would have no recourse.”
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Strawman. I never said black people have no voice in the government.
Strawman. I never “tired to make like actions sound different”, I explained why like actions provoke different responses
I disagree.
Strawman, as this is not “my logic” nor where “my logic” leads.
I didn’t catch that the first time. Thanks for the insult.
Strawman. I never said anyone should be let off the hook for saying racist things.
Incorrect that I did not address this.
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Not straw men.[/quote]
Mostly straw men.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
When usual Republican primary voters in the state of Mississippi were asked if they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal, a whopping 46 percent said it should be illegal, compared to 40 percent who think it should be legal. The remaining 14 percent were unsure.
Now this is interesting to say the least. I find it confusing, nay, astounding that you still allow this sort of thing.
And by this sort of thing I mean, why do you still let Mississippi vote?[/quote]
82% of Egyptians polled believed stoning women to death for adultery is a good thing. I’d say be glad you live in a Western democracy and stop suggesting that people who hold opinions that you don’t agree with shouldn’t be allowed to vote, whether in jest or not.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
what about the 95 percent of blacks who voted for Obama and we both know why[/quote]
In light of the OP’s poll, which is really just another piece of evidence to throw on top of a veritable pile of similar instances of Southern racism (especially within the Republican party), they’d have had to have been literally self-loathing to vote otherwise.[/quote]
Republicans freed the slaves and majority of slave-holders were Democrats. As well, the South was majority Democrat.
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
what about the 95 percent of blacks who voted for Obama and we both know why[/quote]
In light of the OP’s poll, which is really just another piece of evidence to throw on top of a veritable pile of similar instances of Southern racism (especially within the Republican party), they’d have had to have been literally self-loathing to vote otherwise.[/quote]
Republicans freed the slaves and majority of slave-holders were Democrats. As well, the South was majority Democrat.[/quote]
You’re a knowledgeable guy and you should know how stupid that statement is.
The ideologies and fundamental natures of the political parties in mid-nineteenth century America bear NO resemblance to their modern counterparts. None. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican–in the 19th fucking century, which has absolutely nothing to do with being a Republican in 2011. Nothing. And you know it.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
what about the 95 percent of blacks who voted for Obama and we both know why[/quote]
In light of the OP’s poll, which is really just another piece of evidence to throw on top of a veritable pile of similar instances of Southern racism (especially within the Republican party), they’d have had to have been literally self-loathing to vote otherwise.[/quote]
Republicans freed the slaves and majority of slave-holders were Democrats. As well, the South was majority Democrat.[/quote]
You’re a knowledgeable guy and you should know how stupid that statement is.
The ideologies and fundamental natures of the political parties in mid-nineteenth century America bear NO resemblance to their modern counterparts. None. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican–in the 19th fucking century, which has absolutely nothing to do with being a Republican in 2011. Nothing. And you know it.[/quote]
You’re right, Democrats become a lot more like Republicans, so much they passed them and became more Republican than Republicans. You’d have more of an argument that the South’s democratic protestantism is at root for their racism on both sides of the line than their Republicanism. They’ve had racism down there since the beginning.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
When usual Republican primary voters in the state of Mississippi were asked if they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal, a whopping 46 percent said it should be illegal, compared to 40 percent who think it should be legal. The remaining 14 percent were unsure.
Now this is interesting to say the least. I find it confusing, nay, astounding that you still allow this sort of thing.
And by this sort of thing I mean, why do you still let Mississippi vote?[/quote]
82% of Egyptians polled believed stoning women to death for adultery is a good thing. I’d say be glad you live in a Western democracy and stop suggesting that people who hold opinions that you don’t agree with shouldn’t be allowed to vote, whether in jest or not.[/quote]
As long as we’re not as bad as the savages that follow Islam, we should be happy? Christ you’re fucking stupid.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
To recap: a study was posted claiming that a large chunk of Mississippi Republicans are racist. I would venture to say that that’s not much of a shocker there…but it’s always a little more jarring to see this stuff laid down numerically like that. Like all of these polls the conclusions aren’t set in stone, but I see no reason to think that these numbers don’t reflect reality in a fairly accurate manner.
Then came an onslaught of weirdly defensive, vaguely-related retorts, most of which were variants of “but black people are racist too!!! I know because I live near them. I’ve seen them myself!!!”. Or “the numbers in the study were probably skewed by all the racist (Republican…haha) blacks that were polled. Definitely wasn’t all the nice, progressive whites down there.” Then there’s also the above gem: “Egyptians are misogynists!!!”
These bullshit posts (which were somehow supposed to excuse the people polled in the original study or discredit the study itself?) far outnumbered and outweighed reasonable responses like “wow, that’s fucked up, those people are assholes”…a fact that illustrates just how deranged and vitriolic this forum can get.[/quote]
I’m guessing from your statements about Republicans/Democrats and Abe Lincoln that you live in America or at least one of the Western democracies. Let me make a statement I assume you agree with then pose some questions:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
I could post a load of unflattering stats from studies about blacks/Hispanics but unlike you, I’m not interested in widening divisions in society that have a chance of being narrowed.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
what about the 95 percent of blacks who voted for Obama and we both know why[/quote]
In light of the OP’s poll, which is really just another piece of evidence to throw on top of a veritable pile of similar instances of Southern racism (especially within the Republican party), they’d have had to have been literally self-loathing to vote otherwise.[/quote]
Republicans freed the slaves and majority of slave-holders were Democrats. As well, the South was majority Democrat.[/quote]
You’re a knowledgeable guy and you should know how stupid that statement is.
The ideologies and fundamental natures of the political parties in mid-nineteenth century America bear NO resemblance to their modern counterparts. None. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican–in the 19th fucking century, which has absolutely nothing to do with being a Republican in 2011. Nothing. And you know it.[/quote]
Lets see, Linclon resolved a situation with violence where none was needed, freed the states in territories nit under his control while keeping it intact in those states that fought with him, silenced journalists, suspended habeas corpus and was protectionist mercantilist.
Sounds like a neocon to me.
Bring back Jim Crow.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
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Yes, it comes close to being a moral imperative.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
When usual Republican primary voters in the state of Mississippi were asked if they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal, a whopping 46 percent said it should be illegal, compared to 40 percent who think it should be legal. The remaining 14 percent were unsure.
Now this is interesting to say the least. I find it confusing, nay, astounding that you still allow this sort of thing.
And by this sort of thing I mean, why do you still let Mississippi vote?[/quote]
Yes it is terrible that America allows it’s people to be ignorant and voice their ignorance. In Mississippi’s defense however I would like to point out that there was a time when one hundred percent of Mississippi Democrats would have voted in favor of such a ban. So in Mississippi terms this represents great progress.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?[/quote]
I’m not sure exactly what you mean… someone saying that black men are attracted to white women? Someone using the term “n@gga”?
Its not “ok” for any race to use slurs, be racist, etc. I’ve never argued that it is ok. Can we be clear on that?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
We are in the middle of a war against Jihadists who use anti-American propaganda to undermine our war effort. Agreed?
Is it morally sound, reasonable and rational to be criticising American society at this particular time, regardless of the validity of said criticism, in light of the inherent decency of American society in comparison to our enemies?
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Well haaay, havent seen a war monger on these boards in a while. Trying to bring back the good ol days of “If you say anything bad about America you’re helping the terrorists win!”?
LOLOLOLOL. GTFO.
Criticising America is the most patriotic thing an American can do - the foundation of this country is the fact that Americans CAN criticise America without fear of retaliation.