http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MS_0407915.pdf
Actually, the data calls them “usual” republican primary voters.
That is not the same thing as the party itself.
[quote]Stan Darsh wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I really think you purposely read my posts with a heuristic of militancy.
I’m not trying to explain racism. I’m explaining reactions to racism. [/quote]
In that case you are just wrong. Pro-chinese people in china isn’t seen as racist, pro-black people in africa isn’t seen as racist, pro hispanic people in mexico isn’t seen as racist. Pro white people anywhere is seen as racist.
Advantages and disadvantages has nothing to do with it anymore. It is a culture based on specifically white guilt, regardless of situation.
And by the way, that isn’t the way your post was written. You wrote saying that the situation made things entirely different and that context was everything. You didn’t mention that what you meant was to speak for public perception. I wouldn’t have used the same language if I’d know that was what you meant.
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This
White people saying white power automatically makes people think of the kkk or nazis.
Black people saying black power automatically makes people think civil rights.
Just like schools have a gay club amd thats seen as moving forward and being accepting.
Try to make a straight or masculinity club in school and the gay community would go bananas.
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The experience of certain groups is one that breeds sensitivity. Conversely, the experience of other groups is one that breeds insenitivity.
Promoting the advancement of one of the former groups is considered good, promoting the dominance of the latter groups is considered bad.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Blacks in the delta are much more racist than the whites and in many places are the majority. I’m willing to bet these number against interracial marriage have more to do with the black community than the redneck one.[/quote]
Unsubstantiated claim based on anecdotal evidence. Unless you have some sort of empirical justification for this. I’m not saying there aren’t racist blacks–of course there are. I’m saying that statements like this one shouldn’t be presented as objective truth without data.
As far as the black community being responsible for the numbers in the study: ridiculous when you consider that this study accounted only for Republican primary voters, who are overwhelmingly white.
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It’s based on living there and yes, it is a fact. Why aren’t you demanding numbers from people on the other side.
I had an african african friend when I lived there that couldn’t even go on the black side of town.
White people there do not care as much about race as the blacks. Black people are welcome in all the bars and hangouts. Black people can live on the “white” sides of towns. That doesn’t work the other way around.
I’ve heard the same thing from many black people about “thier own” people/culture.
You can deny the reality in the name of your white guilt all you want.
Edit:
I also forgot to mention that the article doesn’t mention how the survey was conducted. Did they walk up to people on the street and ask them? Even if they were polling exiting republican primary voters it’s an open primary state. Additionally, the fact that the article never mentions the democrat side makes it beyond marginally biased.
There is no evidence anywhere in the article that political affiliation affected the numbers.
Because there is no data with which to associate the phenomenon with any party, because no evidence was presented, I naturally disregard party in my analysis the same way I ignored other factors which I have no data for.[/quote]
I have no white guilt and I’m not denying reality–I’m simply saying that no one should regard your unsubstantiated claims and anecdotal evidence as fact. Generalizations are useful but not when they are drawn from a guy’s opinion on an internet forum.
Your saying “yes, it is a fact” means literally nothing to me and it should mean literally nothing to anyone else until you justify your claims objectively. Until then they are your opinions, and your opinions carry little weight in a discussion about polls, numbers, studies, data. The study can be flawed and still mean infinitely more than a story about you visiting your black friend.
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
on the whole “white guilt” thing - yeah, slavery is a regrettable part of US’ past.
however the way this whole thing is presented is skewed to say the least.
slavery in Africa and other parts of the world (south america, russia, etc) was alive an well way before it was
established here. it still exists in Africa and some other parts of the world.
and even then, nobody was running around with nets amistad-style trying to catch a slave. slave trade was run by the local tribes, enslaving their “fellow” africans and then selling them to whomever - whites, arabs, other blacks etc.
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All true points. None negate the fact that racial inequalities still exist in America.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Stan Darsh wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I really think you purposely read my posts with a heuristic of militancy.
I’m not trying to explain racism. I’m explaining reactions to racism. [/quote]
In that case you are just wrong. Pro-chinese people in china isn’t seen as racist, pro-black people in africa isn’t seen as racist, pro hispanic people in mexico isn’t seen as racist. Pro white people anywhere is seen as racist.
Advantages and disadvantages has nothing to do with it anymore. It is a culture based on specifically white guilt, regardless of situation.
And by the way, that isn’t the way your post was written. You wrote saying that the situation made things entirely different and that context was everything. You didn’t mention that what you meant was to speak for public perception. I wouldn’t have used the same language if I’d know that was what you meant.
[/quote]
This
White people saying white power automatically makes people think of the kkk or nazis.
Black people saying black power automatically makes people think civil rights.
Just like schools have a gay club amd thats seen as moving forward and being accepting.
Try to make a straight or masculinity club in school and the gay community would go bananas.
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The experience of certain groups is one that breeds sensitivity. Conversely, the experience of other groups is one that breeds insenitivity.
Promoting the advancement… promoting the dominance …[/quote]
This is exactly the white guilt pc bullshit I’ve been talking about. Way to use the connotation of terms to try and make like actions sound different.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
on the whole “white guilt” thing - yeah, slavery is a regrettable part of US’ past.
however the way this whole thing is presented is skewed to say the least.
slavery in Africa and other parts of the world (south america, russia, etc) was alive an well way before it was
established here. it still exists in Africa and some other parts of the world.
and even then, nobody was running around with nets amistad-style trying to catch a slave. slave trade was run by the local tribes, enslaving their “fellow” africans and then selling them to whomever - whites, arabs, other blacks etc.
[/quote]
All true points. None negate the fact that racial inequalities still exist in America.[/quote]
Racial inequalities don’t exist, only individual ones do.
You’re right. I should be supporting these guys for “advancing” their race.
But you’re right, it’s okay because it might be possible in the remotest sense of the word that my ancestors at some point in time did something bad to their ancestors, regardless of the merits of either individual.
Edit:
Thankfully the black head of the justice department gave them a get out of jail free card under the direction of a black head of the country. Otherwise, these people who have no voice in the government would have no recourse.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
As someone who has tons of family from Mississippi, went to college there, and lived there for the better part of 5 years, I can vouch for the fact that there is as much race issue of blacks against whites as there is the reverse, if not more so, especially in the Southern part of the state. The Nothern part of the state is relatively amicable amongst races, separate some due to cultures hanging out with their respective cultures and minimal overlap but very little hostility or racism. I’ve experienced more racism for me being white while down in the delta areas hunting than I ever have anywhere in Atlanta (where I live now) or in the Northern areas of Mississippi.
People just don’t like change and prefer to remain homogenous. [/quote]
I currently live in southern Mississippi. It goes both ways, but it black to white racism is absolutely prevalent.
Its a fact of life, people of all races and colors are gonna be assholes, deal with it.
And x2 on the delta
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
And x2 on the delta
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The delta is both the most beautiful and ugliest place I’ve ever lived.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
on the whole “white guilt” thing - yeah, slavery is a regrettable part of US’ past.
however the way this whole thing is presented is skewed to say the least.
slavery in Africa and other parts of the world (south america, russia, etc) was alive an well way before it was
established here. it still exists in Africa and some other parts of the world.
and even then, nobody was running around with nets amistad-style trying to catch a slave. slave trade was run by the local tribes, enslaving their “fellow” africans and then selling them to whomever - whites, arabs, other blacks etc.
[/quote]
All true points. None negate the fact that racial inequalities still exist in America.[/quote]
They exist everywhere on a rather global scale. Compare Africa and say Japan.
Attempts to artificially erase these “inequalities” only exist in America though - such as lowering police or ff hiring standards etc.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
But you’re right, it’s okay because it might be possible in the remotest sense of the word that my ancestors at some point in time did something bad to their ancestors, regardless of the merits of either individual.
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I dont think the wizard is going to have that brain you’re looking for.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
But you’re right, it’s okay because it might be possible in the remotest sense of the word that my ancestors at some point in time did something bad to their ancestors, regardless of the merits of either individual.
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I dont think the wizard is going to have that brain you’re looking for.[/quote]
Good way to address the multitude of points I brought up that contradict your argument.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I dont mean any social or economic inequalities, I mean on the scale we’ve seen in America. For example, have other countries forcably immigrated a large population of another race into their country? [/quote]
Yes. But even that is dumb. What if my ancestors are from a country that didn’t?
What if my ancestors were forcibly integrated here?
But again, none of that has anything to do with one human discriminating against another over race.[/quote]
It does.
People dont get upset about pro-chinese in china because the chinese never forcably immigrated hispanics into their country and set up a system of racial oppression - starting with slavery, moved into ethnocentric legislation, and with remaining vestiges still in operation.
If that did happen, the reaction to the chinese-power radicals would be much different.[/quote]
Over the centuries China has forceably immigrated many thousands of slaves into their country, your argument kinda sucks.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
But you’re right, it’s okay because it might be possible in the remotest sense of the word that my ancestors at some point in time did something bad to their ancestors, regardless of the merits of either individual.
[/quote]
I dont think the wizard is going to have that brain you’re looking for.[/quote]
Good way to address the multitude of points I brought up that contradict your argument.[/quote]
Except none of them do. You contradict misrepresentations of my points - strawmen.
[quote]Stan Darsh wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I really think you purposely read my posts with a heuristic of militancy.
I’m not trying to explain racism. I’m explaining reactions to racism. [/quote]
In that case you are just wrong. Pro-chinese people in china isn’t seen as racist, pro-black people in africa isn’t seen as racist, pro hispanic people in mexico isn’t seen as racist. Pro white people anywhere is seen as racist.
Advantages and disadvantages has nothing to do with it anymore. It is a culture based on specifically white guilt, regardless of situation.
And by the way, that isn’t the way your post was written. You wrote saying that the situation made things entirely different and that context was everything. You didn’t mention that what you meant was to speak for public perception. I wouldn’t have used the same language if I’d know that was what you meant.
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This
White people saying white power automatically makes people think of the kkk or nazis.
Black people saying black power automatically makes people think civil rights.
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This…this is the BULLSHIT argument in a nutshell.
As long as this is allowed to be the media enforced way of thought…black panthers can stand outside voting houses and intimidate voters…la raza activists can harass little old ladies outside voter registration places in central California.
But the Tea party is racist…are you fucking kidding me?
Points you ignored:
“Thankfully the black head of the justice department gave them a get out of jail free card under the direction of a black head of the country. Otherwise, these people who have no voice in the government would have no recourse.”
“This is exactly the white guilt pc bullshit I’ve been talking about. Way to use the connotation of terms to try and make like actions sound different.”
"Racial inequalities don’t exist, only individual ones do. "
"By your logic “la Raza” is racist in mexico, but not in the US.
No, the same thing is the same thing. Having a racist employer turn you down for a job doesn’t hurt less if you are white. Ignorance is ignorance. You’re excuses are retarded."
“Are you aware that many towns in Mississippi are majority black? Black mayor, black city counsel, est. In that case, white people there should be let off the hook for saying racist things right?”
“In that case you are just wrong. Pro-Chinese people in china isn’t seen as racist, pro-black people in Africa isn’t seen as racist, pro Hispanic people in Mexico isn’t seen as racist. Pro white people anywhere is seen as racist.”
Not straw men.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Points you ignored:
“Thankfully the black head of the justice department gave them a get out of jail free card under the direction of a black head of the country. Otherwise, these people who have no voice in the government would have no recourse.”
“This is exactly the white guilt pc bullshit I’ve been talking about. Way to use the connotation of terms to try and make like actions sound different.”
"Racial inequalities don’t exist, only individual ones do. "
"By your logic “la Raza” is racist in mexico, but not in the US.
No, the same thing is the same thing. Having a racist employer turn you down for a job doesn’t hurt less if you are white. Ignorance is ignorance. You’re excuses are retarded."
“Are you aware that many towns in Mississippi are majority black? Black mayor, black city counsel, est. In that case, white people there should be let off the hook for saying racist things right?”
“In that case you are just wrong. Pro-Chinese people in china isn’t seen as racist, pro-black people in Africa isn’t seen as racist, pro Hispanic people in Mexico isn’t seen as racist. Pro white people anywhere is seen as racist.”
Not straw men.[/quote]
It’s always whiteeees fault…durrrr.
Cap…
Tell me why this is accepted in the mainstream media again??
http://mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/113776/do-black-men-give-white-women-too-much-attention
Maybe I just don’t get why it is ok for one race to talk like this but not others?
[quote]smh23 wrote:
I have no white guilt and I’m not denying reality–I’m simply saying that no one should regard your unsubstantiated claims and anecdotal evidence as fact. Generalizations are useful but not when they are drawn from a guy’s opinion on an internet forum.
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That is all of PWI, why single out my post.
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Your saying “yes, it is a fact” means literally nothing to me and it should mean literally nothing to anyone else until you justify your claims objectively. Until then they are your opinions, and your opinions carry little weight in a discussion about polls, numbers, studies, data. The study can be flawed and still mean infinitely more than a story about you visiting your black friend.[/quote]
Sure thing. First, prove you don’t have white guilt. Then prove this study is more trust worthy than my claimed experience (which went beyond a story of visiting a black friend, since I never mentioned visiting anyone).
Until then this post should carry little weight in a discussion about “polls, numbers, studies, data” something entirely missing from your posts.
I at least addressed the study and it’s flaws.
The sky is blue and I’m not going to offer a statistical analysis to prove it. You claiming otherwise is some form of either denial or ignorance. Have you ever even been there, much less lived there?