A sobering reminder that there is always someone swimming through deeper, thicker shit than you are, while complaining less and achieving more.
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Read the title, and it instantly depressed me.
I feel like men in the West are having their balls taken away from them. We live in the most prosperous time in history and yet weâre more depressed, as a group.
I know guys in much worse conditions than us, in worse countries, but are way happier.
From my personal insight Iâve boiled it down to
- too much social media
- Americansâ emphasis on âwealth and successâ and not general happiness
- soul sucking office jobs
- modern feminism
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LOL take that incel shit somewhere else.
Everyone in the west has issues from social media and soul sucking office jobs. Not just men. âModern feminismâ has nothing to do with it - you just hate women.
Thereâs a balance between âwealth and successâ and general happiness - thatâs financial responsibility.
I feel for your situation, @travistee since Iâm going through a divorce as well. Being divorced with no children is a blessing in disguise. It could be worse, just like you could be unemployed instead of having a manager job. Make the best of what you got, for sure. Eat well, make gainz, and get some sleep ASAP - thatâs all low hanging fruit
To give you perspective on what you should be focusing on:
You got food, shelter, clothing? Good!
Youâre safe? Good!
Social issues? You can work on that - itâs hard to make friends at an older age but whateva
Sounds like you need to work on some Esteem - and maybe working on your social life could help first.
As far as self-fulfillment goes, Iâve seen other diagrams show it as âSelf Actualizationâ, which you donât realize till your final days.
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I didnât say everyone in the west didnât have issues with social media.
and having issues with modern feminism is now incel logic lol man everything is now incel this and incel that lol
I donât think everyone in the west has an issue with social media, but Iâd agree with you that itâs a prevalent issue.
If itâs not incel shit, you tell me whatâs your issue with âmodern feminismâ and how it affects men in the west? (without sounding like an incel or He-Man Woman hater)
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Modern feminism is teaching women that men actively discriminate against them so it is creating this âusâ vs âthemâ bullshit.
You see it all the time, especially online. You see things like âhate menâ getting a million likes, while if a guy jokingly makes a post about âhate womenâ the account will be revoked instantly. Or posts about âget his money, you deserve this!â
I see women walking around with shirts that say âthe future is femaleâ wtf is that? like, really?
I get that most of these things is an overcorrection but I donât think it will result in anything positive in the near term either for males or even females.
Why does female empowerment TRIGGER you? Iâm a man and I never saw feminism as an âus vs.themâ issue. Maybe you see it that way because you actually are âvs themâ.
I see memes about hating men getting million likes and I see memes about hating women getting a million likes. Iâve never heard of anyoneâs account being revoked instantly, but you can show me any evidence to prove otherwise.
And why is âthe future is femaleâ so triggering to you? Women are moving up in fields that they werenât as prevalent in before, and will be more so in the future - whatâs so bad about that? And how does that not bring anything positive for men or women? Itâs a catchy tagline just like the Rosie the Riveter âYes We Canâ
I think youâre just trying to say you donât like women. Do you/did you have a girlfriend? wife? fwb? anything?
Iâd also like to get an idea of how you think âmodern feminismâ has anything to do with this guyâs divorce.
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oh Jesus here we go. now because YOU think my opinion is somehow radical I MUST be an incel that has never dated a woman⊠like, how is that even possible? in my experience most men that have something even remotely negative to say about women are the ones that actually deal with them the most lol.
and youâre from fucking Portland, Oregon arenât you??? GTFO lol Iâm not even going to attempt to talk to you any further. letâs just end it here.
Damn. Do you tell everyone to GTFO if they donât share your opinion, or just the folks who live in liberal west coast cities?
IDK man, Iâve lived in SF and Seattle the past ten years and I can honestly count on one hand the bad interactions with âhyper progressivesâ Iâve had. I also donât see my masculine world falling down around me, or being challenged daily, and Iâm a pretty cliche bro-type.
What I see is more and more people lacking pride, lacking moral fortitude, and having Charmin soft and thin skin.
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yes, I tend to tell people that call me an incel to GTFO. Thereâs no need to engage with someone that immediately jumps on that rational as an offense to my opinion.
Thereâs no need for it, and so there is no place for it in an argument so why should I bother with it? The term carries negative connotations, it is no different than immediately calling someone a racist, bigot, misogynist, right at the start of a conversation.
And the irony is that these reactions do nothing but enforce what I say, prove my points exactly. As a society in America we are at a place now that so much as questioning an ideology, a train of thought, is like a direct attack on women lol.
Look at my post, did I say anything directed at women specifically? No. I simply said âmodern feminismâ , fuck I didnât even throw in feminism as a whole, I said MODERN. Something even prominent old school feminists themselves have spoken out against.
But look at the reaction from Portland boy, his outrage, his belief that I MUST BE against women. I must HATE women because surely I canât get a gf, how else can I have these thoughts on an ideal?
haha itâs unreal lol
Donât play dumb
If somebody said âDamn I blame this on segregation being abolished.â Youâd be in every right calling them a racist.
If somebodyâs blaming somebodyâs financial issues on âmodern feminismâ, thatâs some pretty radical shit, and pretty misogynist to me. What is it about âMODERNâ feminism that you donât like? Even old timey feminism from the 1920s could be misconstrued as âus vs themâ by people who opposed it. You are unquestionably against women based on what you post and your interactions with female posters on this forum - and you still havent answered the question if you have a girlfriend or wife.
Iâm not even hyperprogressive. Itâs just common sense that âmodern feminismâ isnât destroying masculinity or men in general. Yeah, I think some stuff is weird when I see an obvious woman having âshe/herâ or âthey/themâ on a business card or e-mail signature. But itâs not triggering and itâs certainly not resulting in âhaving my balls taken away from meâ.
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You ever thought of bring the bigger man and not engaging in name calling? Deescalate, and calmly bring it back to the facts?
âBut he started it!?â Is a shit reason to be a shit person. See my point above above about folks lacking pride and moral fortitude.
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nah, I might as well just fire back some insults and end it at that. Iâve tried talking about these topics in a civil manner, it never works. when they get put into a corner, or if I say something that triggers them the âyouâre a fucking incelâ always ends up coming back out.
look at what that Portland guy just did- he literally tried to equate complaining about a movement that has been called out by other rational âfeministsâ to being mad about abolishing segregation lol. I mean, if that isnât disingenuous⊠how can you even begin to have dialogue with someone that thinks like that? You canât.
You know it reminds me of what actually happens a lot these days (be it online or whatever) where you begin to blur the lines between two very distinctly different things.
you see this a lot:
âradical islam is a problemâ = you are islammaphobic
âobesity is unhealthyâ = you are body shaming
âI donât agree with feminismâ = you hate women
âI donât want to fuck a transwomanâ = you are transphobic
Kind of a crazy way to think, no? yet, it is so prevalent. Part of the reason I think this is so widespread these days, especially online, is because it is more convenient to label someone immediately rather than arguing about what they are actually trying to say. Itâs very simple to just say âyouâre a racist!â or âyouâre an incel get a gfâ! ha ha I win the argument, see!
Read your frist paragraph. Then read your last paragraph.
You embody what you despise it sounds like.
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No. I tend to be reactionary, yes, but I never go on the offense.
And you think modern feminism is a bigger issue than your reactionary anger and inability to take the high road?
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Your verb choice is telling.
/portland born and raised
Stop playing stupid. In your above post you blamed menâs depression and financial problems on âmodern feminismâ. Everything else you listed applied, but this was way out of place.
None of that was even as simple or as factual of a statement such as saying âradical Islam is a problemâ or âI donât wanna fuck a transphobeâ. Btw - literally no transwoman will accuse you of being a transphobe if youâre not into her. Donât assume dumb shit if you donât know trans people.
Your mindset, word choice, and your interactions with women here tell plenty more than what you posted in this thread. Calling me âPortland Boyâ to paint me as some sorta Liberal Villain is just your attempt to politicize this. Hating feminism isnât a political stance, and even the staunchest of conservatives wouldnât agree with your views on Feminism, except maybe the boomers mentally stuck in 1960
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Oh do me a favourâŠ
I take it your profile picture is your life metaphor?