I wonder if Troy is seen as not very good because of Brad Pitt who I thought did a great job in the role but many men seem to feel intimidated for some reason.
I thought the message as PGJ said also came through very well behind all the amazing visuals as such, but everyone is a critic.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I’m just going to throw this out there - Sparta had it coming. Discuss.
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Well the Spartans were no saints, in fact their society was pretty damn cruel and limiting but with time comes romanticizing and catch phrases, lol.
[quote]NeoSpartan wrote:
Oh no buddy, you got the wrong guys here. Spartans DID fight armored. Very well armored I should say. Besides the Corinthian helmet, and the Hoplon shield (actually called the Aspis), they wore bronze Breastplate, and bronze Greaves for the lower legs.
Now the guys that fought naked were the Gaesatae. Warriors from Gaul (modern day France) who fought with a long oval shield, a sword, and a few javelins. They were extremely strong, and fearless.
Also, some Celtic Britons fought without armor too. They painted themselves in blue woad because they believed it had spiritual protective powers.
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Actually, many Germanic tribesmen fought naked as well. The reasoning was that if stabbed, pieces of cloth may enter the wound with the tip of the weapon and cause gangrene/septic processes.
Armor was quite expensive and mostly reserved for noblemen and chieftains.
As far as the Spartan…ummm…man-love is concerned, sometimes it is difficult to separate Athenian slander (especially during the Peloponesian wars) and opinions of homophobes such as Xenophontus from the reality.
However, quite a number of sources describe that heterosexual relationships in Sparta were very infrequent and strictly for procreation purposes, and that before intercourse a woman would tie her hair tight and dress in a man’s clothing to resemble a boy.
And later, during Roman times, when the Spartan “tough” culture and rituals became a circus show for the rich Romans many of those “man-love” incidents were noted by Roman authors.
Sweet movie props t-shirts and toys for 300
I think I’m getting the stand fight die t-shirt
Lack of placement is how I would describe this movie. In other words Typical Big Business Hollywood’s ability to reduce an important powerful slice of history, and give it the plot of a video game.
The main problem during this movie was that charecters just weren’t developed enough before going to battle. SO no connection was made to them or their families. Thus not much attachment to their battles.
Historically this movie is an embarassment that reduces an amazing powerful part of history to the lowest common denomonator.
How about developing spartan life and showing it for the amazment that it was? Real sparta was not just war driven eager to fight, but eat, drank, lived as a military, disciplined, physical society as a whole. The movie painted nothing of this sort. A mere gloss over that kids were raised to battle. How about showing some life that made sparta unique?
The cinemaography was nothing spectacular and quite a let down in all its hype. No matrix, no crouching tiger here. Just slash and burn video game battle scenes, that don’t give equal representations of both sides. The darkened glow of the aspect ratio is no cinematic achievement. Plus the choreography was rather lame for such an epic movie. Their were no real great back and forth battle scenes everything seemed to die from one blow or such.
As much as I don’t like HBO’s ROME, I feel that this movie copied a ton of its lighting, and costume techniques, even sets, but fell short of Romes ability to develop the characters and really carry the story. WHich makes Rome far superior , you really feel it when Rome goes to battle. In 300 you don’t really care.
In short Im quite disapointed with hollywoods reduction of a powerful slice of history into this meaningless made for xbox 360 movie.
Lack of placement is how I would describe this movie. In other words Typical Big Business Hollywood’s ability to reduce an important powerful slice of history, and give it the plot of a video game.
The main problem during this movie was that charecters just weren’t developed enough before going to battle. SO no connection was made to them or their families. Thus not much attachment to their battles.
Historically this movie is an embarassment that reduces an amazing powerful part of history to the lowest common denomonator.
How about developing spartan life and showing it for the amazment that it was? Real sparta was not just war driven eager to fight, but eat, drank, lived as a military, disciplined, physical society as a whole. The movie painted nothing of this sort. A mere gloss over that kids were raised to battle. How about showing some life that made sparta unique?
The cinemaography was nothing spectacular and quite a let down in all its hype. No matrix, no crouching tiger here. Just slash and burn video game battle scenes, that don’t give equal representations of both sides. The darkened glow of the aspect ratio is no cinematic achievement. Plus the choreography was rather lame for such an epic movie. Their were no real great back and forth battle scenes everything seemed to die from one blow or such.
As much as I don’t like HBO’s ROME, I feel that this movie copied a ton of its lighting, and costume techniques, even sets, but fell short of Romes ability to develop the characters and really carry the story. WHich makes Rome far superior , you really feel it when Rome goes to battle. In 300 you don’t really care.
In short Im quite disapointed with hollywoods reduction of a powerful slice of history into this meaningless made for xbox 360 movie.
sorry for the double post dont shoot me!
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
sorry for the double post dont shoot me![/quote]
Why would anyone waste the bullets?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
sorry for the double post dont shoot me!
Why would anyone waste the bullets?[/quote]
Oh Mr. cynical guy, I think the bullets might be lodged in between your X .
The part where leonidas meets with the other greeks, and says that he has brough more soldiers-
I told my lady that it was the Marines meeting the national guard.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
The part where leonidas meets with the other greeks, and says that he has brough more soldiers-
I told my lady that it was the Marines meeting the national guard.[/quote]
And she probably thought “who gives a shit…”. Sorry, no offense but she probably got nothing out of that reference. Am I wrong?
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Lack of placement is how I would describe this movie. In other words Typical Big Business Hollywood’s ability to reduce an important powerful slice of history, and give it the plot of a video game.
The main problem during this movie was that charecters just weren’t developed enough before going to battle. SO no connection was made to them or their families. Thus not much attachment to their battles.
Historically this movie is an embarassment that reduces an amazing powerful part of history to the lowest common denomonator.
How about developing spartan life and showing it for the amazment that it was? Real sparta was not just war driven eager to fight, but eat, drank, lived as a military, disciplined, physical society as a whole. The movie painted nothing of this sort. A mere gloss over that kids were raised to battle. How about showing some life that made sparta unique?
The cinemaography was nothing spectacular and quite a let down in all its hype. No matrix, no crouching tiger here. Just slash and burn video game battle scenes, that don’t give equal representations of both sides. The darkened glow of the aspect ratio is no cinematic achievement. Plus the choreography was rather lame for such an epic movie. Their were no real great back and forth battle scenes everything seemed to die from one blow or such.
As much as I don’t like HBO’s ROME, I feel that this movie copied a ton of its lighting, and costume techniques, even sets, but fell short of Romes ability to develop the characters and really carry the story. WHich makes Rome far superior , you really feel it when Rome goes to battle. In 300 you don’t really care.
In short Im quite disapointed with hollywoods reduction of a powerful slice of history into this meaningless made for xbox 360 movie.
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I agree.
[quote]Majin wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
The part where leonidas meets with the other greeks, and says that he has brough more soldiers-
I told my lady that it was the Marines meeting the national guard.
And she probably thought “who gives a shit…”. Sorry, no offense but she probably got nothing out of that reference. Am I wrong?
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No she understood completely, and even chuckled at it.
You should date smarter women.
She was angry about the horses, elephants, and the rinocerhos getting killed, but you can’t win them all.
300 was entertaining… but it wasn’t that great imo. Not an epic at all, and his nothing on gladiator, braveheart or even Troy.
I just didn’t feel like i was drawn into the movie.
Exactly my feeling, a badass movie that didnt take the time to suck the audience in to the story aspect…almost as if they believed in the hype that EVERYONE was creating about it and said, “hey people are gonna go see this cause word on the street is they think its gonna be badass.” 300 is a good movie but in no way great like gladiator. Troy sucked (too much "it is a sign of the gods BS) Gerard Butler did a fantastic job as Leonidas but at no point did anything compare to…
“My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.”
OR.
“Commodus: The general who became a slave. The slave who became a gladiator. The gladiator who defied an emperor. Striking story! But now, the people want to know how the story ends. Only a famous death will do. And what could be more glorious than to challenge the Emperor himself in the great arena?
Maximus: You would fight me?
Commodus: Why not? Do you think I am afraid?
Maximus: I think you’ve been afraid all your life.”
Maximus was a badass character as was Leonidas…however Maximus had more of a story to play with/take part in. I feel as though the character of Leonidas did not have enough time to establish any reason why we should care for him as we cared for Maximus…more to come but I have another Heineken waiting…
As a few have stated, the movie was not to wrap you up into a full story and major character development. It was made to be entertaining and badass. Gladiator;/Braveheart enthralled you with their character development. (please nobody make another comment on Troy…please)
300 was a story of men who sacrificed their lives for their people. Who went above and beyond what they were asked to do. Who believed so strongly in a man that they would follow him to the end of the world. Men whose families meant more to them then the gods and would give everything to keep them safe.
Gladiator/Braveheart were stories of revenge…both had people taken from them, and through their exacting revenge, they were able to lead men to a momentous struggle vs. freedom and tyranny.
Just realize why the movie is as good as it is.
sp
ps…4x’s going on five this weekend…i need a therapist
[quote]strongFB wrote:
300 was a story of men who sacrificed their lives for their people. Who went above and beyond what they were asked to do. Who believed so strongly in a man that they would follow him to the end of the world. Men whose families meant more to them then the gods and would give everything to keep them safe.
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I was leafing through a book by Osprey publishing the other day about the greek-persian wars and read the whole passage about the battle of Thermopylae. The message was that the spartans with their allies had already done what was their intention - stopped the persian advance.
There was no need for them to sacrifice themselves, they would have served their people better by withdrawing and joining the fight at a later day. Their fight to the last man was regarded as elitistic and uncaring of the greek people in general.
All they cared for was for their own reputation. So this view gives another perspective to the whole battle. But of course it doesn’t diminish the heroism of the spartans in any way. And the movie portrayed this quite well.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Majin wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
The part where leonidas meets with the other greeks, and says that he has brough more soldiers-
I told my lady that it was the Marines meeting the national guard.
And she probably thought “who gives a shit…”. Sorry, no offense but she probably got nothing out of that reference. Am I wrong?
No she understood completely, and even chuckled at it.
You should date smarter women.
She was angry about the horses, elephants, and the rinocerhos getting killed, but you can’t win them all.
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I didn’t imply that she was less smart. And I don’t think understanding that reference makes anyone smarter. BTW, my girlfriend didn’t like the animal thing too, not upset or anything. Fuck, I was kinda sorry for the beasts, for a second or two.
Woad is an anti-coagulent (spelt properly i hope) - so helped stop bleeding.
[quote]Ryu wrote:
Woad is an anti-coagulent (spelt properly i hope) - so helped stop bleeding.
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Anticoagulents PREVENT the clotting of blood.
I’m guessing you meant that woad is a coagulent.
Anyways, interesting information on woad.