I know many of you are more anxious than a kid on Christmas Eve to get rid of the President…
So… while I think that there are many things that can derail his candidacy; I DON’T think that his religion is one.
Mufasa
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It depends on how hard the media hits it by November.
If we see lots of stories like this
“Stone Phillips enters the weird cult of Mormonism next on …”
“Today on five babbling females Barbara Walters talks to two women who were abused by their Mormon husbands…”
Things like this change minds.
Will they do it?
I say if Romney is in the lead and it looks like he’s going to win you’ll see these types of stories and more.
But as I said time will tell.
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Most of the horror stories come from members of the FLDS community (Fundamental Latter Day Saints) who practice the religion exactly the same as Joseph Smith…without any of the changes that modern mormonism has adopted (ending polygamy, allowing blacks into the church ect.)
Romney needs to draw a VERY clear distinction between the two…if he does not, news stories about the FLDS can ABSOLUTELY hurt him.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:<<< Most of the horror stories come from members of the FLDS community (Fundamental Latter Day Saints) who practice the religion exactly the same as Joseph Smith…without any of the changes that modern mormonism has adopted (ending polygamy, allowing blacks into the church ect.)
Romney needs to draw a VERY clear distinction between the two…if he does not, news stories about the FLDS can ABSOLUTELY hurt him.[/quote]If it were me I wouldn’t even touch the FLDS, which is exactly what you say it is. No need. There are volumes of hair raising flat down fantastic screw ballery left in the LDS church with the quorum of the 12 in Salt Lake City to do the job just fine. There is utterly NO comparison with the situation regarding Kennedy which I am well aware and this. Like Maher says. He ain’t just talkin about his general disdain for religion. This outfit is in a class of rank laughability all by itself.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
And don’t forget…
Evangelical Leaders can come out against Romney’s candidacy as vigorously (if not more so) than the Left.
Now…I don’t think that they will do this, simply because of their GREATER hate for the President.
PRAISE the Lord! There is SO much Love going around, isn’t there?
Mufasa [/quote]What is with you Mufasa? Must one hate somebody to not want them as president? I don’t hate Barack Obama. He is a man unfit in every way for the office which he now holds. I have been saying this exact same thing for the exact same reasons since the 08 campaign. You know that. I expressed my condolences and sorrow for the familie’s loss when his grandmother died. Who I believe he loved. I have never uttered so much as a syllable wishing harm or ill on him on any level. I have only said that he is an affront to everything this nation was founded to be.
He is. I stand by that and he has proved himself to be EXACTLY what I told you he would be during the last campaign. Hasn’t he. Should I dig up those old posts where I begged and pleaded with people to listen to me because I knew of the Marxist nature of that abominable apostate theology his pastor and church was into. Do you want me to do that? Even then I attacked his politics and his anti christian religion. Never did I express hatred or wish harm on him as man OR his family. Still haven’t to this day. So… knock it off if you would please =]
I know many of you are more anxious than a kid on Christmas Eve to get rid of the President…
So… while I think that there are many things that can derail his candidacy; I DON’T think that his religion is one.
Mufasa
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It depends on how hard the media hits it by November.
If we see lots of stories like this
“Stone Phillips enters the weird cult of Mormonism next on …”
“Today on five babbling females Barbara Walters talks to two women who were abused by their Mormon husbands…”
Things like this change minds.
Will they do it?
I say if Romney is in the lead and it looks like he’s going to win you’ll see these types of stories and more.
But as I said time will tell.
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Most of the horror stories come from members of the FLDS community (Fundamental Latter Day Saints) who practice the religion exactly the same as Joseph Smith…without any of the changes that modern mormonism has adopted (ending polygamy, allowing blacks into the church ect.)
Romney needs to draw a VERY clear distinction between the two…if he does not, news stories about the FLDS can ABSOLUTELY hurt him.[/quote]
And for every Mormon who beats his wife there are 10 Protastants, or Catholics who do the same thing. But if the media decides to turn up the heat they’ll make Romney look like the worst guy whoever lived.
Romney LEARNED…and learned some VERY valuable lessons from the last election.
He was ready for his run in 2012.
He seems to understand his strengths and weaknesses; he knows where he is vulnerable; and he understands more that anyone how to “balance” opposition from both the Left and the Right.
And he put religion where it should be in his 2007 Speech. (IMO)
He stumbles (he’s human)…especially when he tries to be a “regular guy”; tries humor; or tries to use analogies. But I think that he knows that. He’s more “manager” than some warm-and-fluffy guy you would hang out with.
I think that if he makes any major stumble, it will be self-imposed.
Romney LEARNED…and learned some VERY valuable lessons from the last election.
He was ready for his run in 2012.
He seems to understand his strengths and weaknesses; he knows where he is vulnerable; and he understands more that anyone how to “balance” opposition from both the Left and the Right.
And he put religion where it should be in his 2007 Speech. (IMO)
He stumbles (he’s human)…especially when he tries to be a “regular guy”; tries humor; or tries to use analogies. But I think that he knows that. He’s more “manager” than some warm-and-fluffy guy you would hang out with.
I think that if he makes any major stumble, it will be self-imposed.
Mufasa [/quote]
All well said Mufasa. But do you think Obama comes off as a “warm and fluffy guy”? Come on, he’s a hard nosed politician and at times has a Darth Vadar look about him. And always has his nose in the air.
Actually nothing I’ve said right here has anything directly to do scripture at all. It has to do with a religion whose nuttiness might only be exceeded by the worship of Big Bird, cookie monster and Oscar the grouch as the sesame trinity. Ya just hafta get that. It has nothing to do with Christianity or the Christian scriptures. We’re on the same side man. Are we not? You’re a smart guy. Very politically aware and I suspect a man possibly of some experience in this arena. You are for the moment Romney’s campaign manager. I want you to envision some seasoned competent ultra left wing personality who knows that HE will be the only shot at this. At least if he does his job right because the Romney campaign will keep him outta of the same time zone as an unfriendly news outlet after you’re done with him.
Our ambitious committed faaar left journalist friend spends a week or so at a generally well annotated and documented site or three (or 10) such as this one: Mormonism, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) gathering notes. He sees that all these sites agree and the documentation for this incredible goofiness is flowing like milk and honey. He’s splashing it all over himself, licking his lips and counting the days and then minutes until he can be the one to destroy a Republican presidential candidacy. Watching it hit the ground in flames at his own hand. He has been handed, on a silver platter, a veritable arsenal of first rate weaponry with which to mount a full frontal assault on his enemy. All provided by evangelical Christians. His even worse enemy. The irony is giving him erotic fantasies about that upcoming interview.
Be honest. You’re a campaign manager now. Tell me whatchya see.
If Romney is smart (which he seems to be)…he’ll completely ignore other people’s interpretations of what he believes. (Which I think he has already done on many occasions).
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This is why I think Obama will lose and lose big.
Apathy. The people that were first time voters are not excited.
Those that voted for McCain, I don’t think that there are many if any that will swap sides. There are a lot of people that voted for Obama that I think will more than likely not vote, or have switched sides.
Hollywood is not as involved
The economy stupid
Loss of momentum with Jews, Religious, Blacks, Hispanics. The only demographic he’s gained is with Gays. That is a very small number
Small business people are irate
Non union people that got screwed by the auto bailouts are angry. Will either not vote or switch to R.
Obama’s mouth is motivating the right. [/quote]
With the exception of #3 you are spot on!
Hollywood is indeed involved in trying to get Obama reelected. George Cloony just raised 14 million dollars for Obama, all from his Hollywood pals. And of course don’t forget the main stream liberal media. They’vr given Obama an easy ride for four years because they love him. And they DO NOT want him replaced.[/quote]
I don’t see it as much, but it is early. He doesn’t have the Oprah. I don’t know if they will ramp up as they had before. Some celebrity said it…Trabek, Sajak,…They (stars) all talk but they really don’t give a shit.
Congress and the House are tight…wonder how these will turn out.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This is why I think Obama will lose and lose big.
Apathy. The people that were first time voters are not excited.
Those that voted for McCain, I don’t think that there are many if any that will swap sides. There are a lot of people that voted for Obama that I think will more than likely not vote, or have switched sides.
Hollywood is not as involved
The economy stupid
Loss of momentum with Jews, Religious, Blacks, Hispanics. The only demographic he’s gained is with Gays. That is a very small number
Small business people are irate
Non union people that got screwed by the auto bailouts are angry. Will either not vote or switch to R.
Obama’s mouth is motivating the right. [/quote]
With the exception of #3 you are spot on!
Hollywood is indeed involved in trying to get Obama reelected. George Cloony just raised 14 million dollars for Obama, all from his Hollywood pals. And of course don’t forget the main stream liberal media. They’vr given Obama an easy ride for four years because they love him. And they DO NOT want him replaced.[/quote]
I don’t see it as much, but it is early. He doesn’t have the Oprah. I don’t know if they will ramp up as they had before. Some celebrity said it…Trabek, Sajak,…They (stars) all talk but they really don’t give a shit.
Congress and the House are tight…wonder how these will turn out.
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You’re right the general enthusiasm for Obama is down no question. He really had no where to go but down after the ridiculously high expectations that he built in his followers. But he still has many in Hollywood pushing for him like the Clooney example. And I just clicked around the various liberal media MSNBC, CNBC and company. They were doing their usual evening Romney bashing. (shaking head) how anyone can deny that these guys are in the tank for Obama is totally beyond me.
Anyway…
as for the House and Senate I’m hoping that the republicans can at least keep the House. If they win the Senate so much the better, (but it might be unlikely). That way if Obama does win a second term (and he is still odds on favorite for many reasons) he will be blocked at every turn from enacting any more left wing legislation into law. Keep in mind he got national health care through when he had both a democratic House and Senate.
The country would be much worse off over the next 8 years if Obama actually gets anything he wants accomplished this is the best case scenario should Romney lose.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
If Romney is smart (which he seems to be)…he’ll completely ignore other people’s interpretations of what he believes. (Which I think he has already done on many occasions).
Mufasa[/quote]This can’t be this tough.
Pick up, read document from recent recorded history. Dare him to deny that that is church teaching when his whole church knows it is. Game over. Man is screwy goofball religionist at best and wildly gullible possibly unhinged mental incompetent at worst, but certainly somewhere in that scale. In any case do you really want this in your Whitehouse America? Is the clear message from the media. ZEB knows what I’m talkin about.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
That way if Obama does win a second term (and he is still odds on favorite for many reasons) he will be blocked at every turn from enacting any more left wing legislation into law. [/quote]
And they will get slaughtered in the press for doing so. It will get spun, and spun again, and then spun few more times if they have to, but they will get hammered.
I’m not 100% right 100% of the time by any means, and fully believe republicans deserve a lot of the shit they get, but…
If Obama gets elected, hats off those fighting the good fight, getting tarred in the newspaper for giving the people what they need.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
That way if Obama does win a second term (and he is still odds on favorite for many reasons) he will be blocked at every turn from enacting any more left wing legislation into law. [/quote]
And they will get slaughtered in the press for doing so. It will get spun, and spun again, and then spun few more times if they have to, but they will get hammered.
I’m not 100% right 100% of the time by any means, and fully believe republicans deserve a lot of the shit they get, but…
If Obama gets elected, hats off those fighting the good fight, getting tarred in the newspaper for giving the people what they need.[/quote]
I don’t think that if the House and Senate goes to the republicans and Obama wins a second term that the country will suddenly be united. In fact, we will be more divided than ever before. And the House and Senate republicans will have nothing to fear as their particular constituents will most likely be happy that they are there to block Obama at every turn. The House went republican in 2010 because the people were fed up with Obama having a rubber stamp at the ready for his left wing programs.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This is why I think Obama will lose and lose big.
Apathy. The people that were first time voters are not excited.
Those that voted for McCain, I don’t think that there are many if any that will swap sides. There are a lot of people that voted for Obama that I think will more than likely not vote, or have switched sides.
Hollywood is not as involved
The economy stupid
Loss of momentum with Jews, Religious, Blacks, Hispanics. The only demographic he’s gained is with Gays. That is a very small number
Small business people are irate
Non union people that got screwed by the auto bailouts are angry. Will either not vote or switch to R.
Obama’s mouth is motivating the right. [/quote]
With the exception of #3 you are spot on!
Hollywood is indeed involved in trying to get Obama reelected. George Cloony just raised 14 million dollars for Obama, all from his Hollywood pals. And of course don’t forget the main stream liberal media. They’vr given Obama an easy ride for four years because they love him. And they DO NOT want him replaced.[/quote]
I don’t see it as much, but it is early. He doesn’t have the Oprah. I don’t know if they will ramp up as they had before. Some celebrity said it…Trabek, Sajak,…They (stars) all talk but they really don’t give a shit.
Congress and the House are tight…wonder how these will turn out.
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You’re right the general enthusiasm for Obama is down no question. He really had no where to go but down after the ridiculously high expectations that he built in his followers. But he still has many in Hollywood pushing for him like the Clooney example. And I just clicked around the various liberal media MSNBC, CNBC and company. They were doing their usual evening Romney bashing. (shaking head) how anyone can deny that these guys are in the tank for Obama is totally beyond me.
Anyway…
as for the House and Senate I’m hoping that the republicans can at least keep the House. If they win the Senate so much the better, (but it might be unlikely). That way if Obama does win a second term (and he is still odds on favorite for many reasons) he will be blocked at every turn from enacting any more left wing legislation into law. Keep in mind he got national health care through when he had both a democratic House and Senate.
The country would be much worse off over the next 8 years if Obama actually gets anything he wants accomplished this is the best case scenario should Romney lose.[/quote]
Not just left wing legislation, but any legislation.