[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
He understands economics and is conversant in it. [/quote]
He does neither understand it, nor is he, well he is able to spout of BS.
Someone who does not understand that everything the government spends is taken out of the private sector is, quite frankly, a moron.
Or maybe he understands it and is not willing to take the hit to let the economy grow in the long run.
Liar or moron, either or.
I go with liar.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
He understands economics and is conversant in it. [/quote]
He does neither understand it, nor is he, well he is able to spout of BS.
Someone who does not understand that everything the government spends is taken out of the private sector is, quite frankly, a moron.
Or maybe he understands it and is not willing to take the hit to let the economy grow in the long run.
Liar or moron, either or.
I go with liar.
[/quote]
Orion:
Romney; the President…or BOTH?
Mufasa
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Every article you read on Yahoo/CNN is all BAIN all the TIME…The good Senator Kerry’s family trust was also ass deep in VC money but I don’t remember that ever coming up one time.
It’s almost like they know that is their only shot, and they are gonna RIDE that BAINhorse all the way to the end.[/quote]
In other words…you are gonna talk about MY shine ? Not your shine, but MY shine ?
Riding the hate-Bain-train will not win the election for Bambi, because dat shit won’t get people hired and working.
Just a aide note on Obama…
This guy bribed one of OUR congressman in California (Fresno specifically) to vote for his healthcare bill, in exchange to start a high speed rail system in the middle of fucking nowhere. And when I say nowhere, I mean nothing but agricultural areas.
Obama bribed our guy a multi-billion dollar choo-choo, going from nowhere to nowhere, for just 1 vote.
There are signs up on telephone poles and traffic signs etc. all over Detroit. “Election activists wanted. Will train and will pay.” With a phone number. Something close to that. I’ve seen dozens of them. Next time I do I’ll grab a pic. Shouldn’t be long.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
He understands economics and is conversant in it. [/quote]
He does neither understand it, nor is he, well he is able to spout of BS.
Someone who does not understand that everything the government spends is taken out of the private sector is, quite frankly, a moron.
Or maybe he understands it and is not willing to take the hit to let the economy grow in the long run.
Liar or moron, either or.
I go with liar.
[/quote]
Orion:
Romney; the President…or BOTH?
Mufasa[/quote]
I meant Romney, but, obviously, both.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Just a aide note on Obama…
This guy bribed one of OUR congressman in California (Fresno specifically) to vote for his healthcare bill, in exchange to start a high speed rail system in the middle of fucking nowhere. And when I say nowhere, I mean nothing but agricultural areas.
Obama bribed our guy a multi-billion dollar choo-choo, going from nowhere to nowhere, for just 1 vote.[/quote]
links the verifiable sources?
This will blow up my facebook like no other. I live in MA… The banner on the top isn’t the only blue thing about my news feed.
Thanks man.
[quote]orion wrote:
He does neither understand it, nor is he, well he is able to spout of BS.[/quote]
Of course he is. Don’t be foolish.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Just a aide note on Obama…
This guy bribed one of OUR congressman in California (Fresno specifically) [/quote]
Ahhhhh my hometown…the Baghdad of the West.
/never going back, and you can’t make me.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
It reminds me of the unending exit polls in 92 where voters leaving their voting place were asked a series of multiple choice questions about what was important to them and probably 70% of them sounded like Reagan conservatives, but voted for Clinton. THAT was an eye opening day for me. People really ARE that clueless.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
He does neither understand it, nor is he, well he is able to spout of BS.[/quote]
Of course he is. Don’t be foolish.[/quote]
Sure, if you mean that he can spout off the same conventional wisdom drivel that does not survive any kind of superficial analysis, yes.
I could probably train a seal to do that.
In fact, Barney Frank has been trained to do that!
Imagine that!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Just a aide note on Obama…
This guy bribed one of OUR congressman in California (Fresno specifically) to vote for his healthcare bill, in exchange to start a high speed rail system in the middle of fucking nowhere. And when I say nowhere, I mean nothing but agricultural areas.
Obama bribed our guy a multi-billion dollar choo-choo, going from nowhere to nowhere, for just 1 vote.[/quote]
links the verifiable sources?
This will blow up my facebook like no other. I live in MA… The banner on the top isn’t the only blue thing about my news feed.
Thanks man.[/quote]
Beans,
Here is the link I was referencing. I didn’t know you were in MA, but this fucking train IS WITHOUT QUESTION THE BIGGEST BAIT AND SWITCH IN US HISTORY WORSE THAN THE BIG DIG.
Beans,
If you need more than what I provided, I have tons. EVERY single aspect of this has been a lie. The cost, time to completion, ridership numbers, EVERYTHING. There is less than 10% of the funding allocated for this shit. We have a petition going around to undo it, along with him asking for a $16 Billion tax increase.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Just a aide note on Obama…
This guy bribed one of OUR congressman in California (Fresno specifically) to vote for his healthcare bill, in exchange to start a high speed rail system in the middle of fucking nowhere. And when I say nowhere, I mean nothing but agricultural areas.
Obama bribed our guy a multi-billion dollar choo-choo, going from nowhere to nowhere, for just 1 vote.[/quote]
links the verifiable sources?
This will blow up my facebook like no other. I live in MA… The banner on the top isn’t the only blue thing about my news feed.
Thanks man.[/quote]
Beans,
Here is the link I was referencing. I didn’t know you were in MA, but this fucking train IS WITHOUT QUESTION THE BIGGEST BAIT AND SWITCH IN US HISTORY WORSE THAN THE BIG DIG.
Thanks man.
Funny you mention the Big Dig. Even though it was annoying, uber expensive, and has actually murdered people due to shitty construction, it is pretty nice.
The city is better off with that highway underground and it lightens the traffic in good places.
Romney is getting crushed here, no?
and fucking lol @ Occupy getting destroyed once people figured out that they would never be able to figure out wtf was going on.
Lesson Kids: have a central message and voice when you want to make a lasting statement. Also, offering a solution beyond “give me free shit” goes a long way too.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/caterpillar-ceo-global-economy-improving-161519192.html
From my understanding, CAT being up is the best sign the economy has seen from private industry in awhile.
Unlike the tech sector, like Apple, CAT provides the machines that create stuff. Stuff being projects, projects being investment.
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression CAT earnings were a leading indicator and a sign of the future.
I do know construction is ahead of the curve 9 times out of 10, they are the first to feel the pinch and the first to get back to work, typically.
So…
Does this help Obama even more come November?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/caterpillar-ceo-global-economy-improving-161519192.html
From my understanding, CAT being up is the best sign the economy has seen from private industry in awhile.
Unlike the tech sector, like Apple, CAT provides the machines that create stuff. Stuff being projects, projects being investment.
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression CAT earnings were a leading indicator and a sign of the future.
I do know construction is ahead of the curve 9 times out of 10, they are the first to feel the pinch and the first to get back to work, typically.
So…
Does this help Obama even more come November?[/quote]
Possibly, because the Fed will not hit the breaks before the election.
It will however during his second term, if he has one.
If anything should give you nightmares it is Obama at the helm if this spirals into a Volcker like intervention.
CB:
I personally don’t think that there can be enough of a change in the U.S. or World economy to really have a profound effect on this election.
With all of MY friends and/or acquaintances the lines are drawn. In some cases, I think people knew who they were going to Vote for in 2012 even before the President took the Oath of Office.
This is turning out to be an “Obama” vs. “Not-Obama” election. While it will be VERY close…and I think that Romney wins…it will take a MAJOR blunder and/or event to change the tide of this election one way or the other.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
CB:
I personally don’t think that there can be enough of a change in the U.S. or World economy to really have a profound effect on this election.
With all of MY friends and/or acquaintances the lines are drawn. In some cases, I think people knew who they were going to Vote for in 2012 even before the President took the Oath of Office.
This is turning out to be an “Obama” vs. “Not-Obama” election. While it will be VERY close…and I think that Romney wins…it will take a MAJOR blunder and/or event to change the tide of this election one way or the other.
Mufasa [/quote]
Major blunders always have the possibility of changing the course of any election. This one will be no exception.
What is even more important is the course of the economy. If we are actually heading into another recession as some economists are predicting Obama is absolute toast!
As for Obama or not Obama I think you are being hasty here. Believe it or not there is a large group of Americans (perhaps a majority) who really do not know who Mitt Romney is yet. I know that sounds ridiculous to the political junkies on this board but it’s true. As I’ve been saying many people are busy with their own lives and have not yet focused on the Presidential election. Right now they’re enjoying their summer and by the end of August they’ll be focused on their kids going back to school. But sometime after Labor Day most (who are going to vote) will start to zero in on who they would like to see become the next President. And this name that they’ve been hearing about “Mitt Romney” will start to means something. Before this it was a man “Barack Obama” that they know against a man “Mitt Romney” that they know nothing about. And the known (as long as he’s not hated) is always more favorable than the unknown.
And that is one Reason that the Romney camp is saving most of their money until sometime just after the Republican convention August 27-30. Currently Obama is out spending Romney by over 2 to 1. And this while Romney out raises Obama by a considerable margin. That means that the independents and others who have no idea who Mitt Romney is yet will be introduced to him with Romney money in the proper way.
This spells trouble for Obama in a big way because they are already running about dead even!
But if the media can run interference for Obama that may nullify Romney’s final big push for the White House. And what I mean by that is it is hard to believe that the media will not play the Mormon card if they see their hero Obama looking like he is going to be defeated.
Mufasa, I will either be right or wrong about the Mormon card so don’t start complaining yet…time will tell won’t it?
Zeb:
You and I have discussed the “Mormon Issue” before; and it’s an interesting one.
One of the greatest speeches you’ll probably ever read on Religious Tolerance was one given by Romney while still on the Primary Trail around 2006-07. This was NOT a speech prompted by pressure from the Left or the “MSLM”…it was from the intolerance he felt from the Religious Right. (And according to LDS friends, is an intolerance that is alive and well).
To me, this was the strongest portion of his Speech:
“If I am fortunate to become your President, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States”.
“There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs”.
“Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they are right, so be it. But I think they underestimate the American people. Americans do not respect believers of convenience”.
One of the main reasons I call this whole race an “Obama”/“Not Obama” race is that it appears that while the Evangelical Right may hate Romney and all that he believes…they APPEAR to hate the President even more. (At least it appears that way).
I just don’t think that the President and his campaign will play that card. If they do, I think that it will truly be an act of desperation.
Like you said; we’ll see.
Mufasa