[quote]migrantworker wrote:
Over here in China, you DO NOT interfere in other peoples business. You see someone getting smacked down in the street, a man beating his wife, two people get in an accident, someone getting mugged, you walk the other way as fast as possible. I have seen all these things happen. This is in your own self interest. It’s not a very civic minded attitude, nor do I like it, but its the way it is.
In the US, when two dudes are fighting, people let them go at it maybe for ten seconds, then the spectators all want to play hero and try to break it up. In China, you let the fight go until someone runs away, they submit totally, or they are being beaten to death. It’s an honor and saving face thing, and losing the fight saves more face than having someone save your ass. You try to break up two guys, you may find yourself being beaten for getting involved. The police also advise to never get involved.
To sum up, different cultures, different strokes.[/quote]
I would have to disagree on that one, if two “dudes” are fighting and both are “willing” no one is breaking anything up until one “runs away, submits or is dead.” I have never been witness to a fight here in the states with two willing parties where the fight is broken up before it has ended. Let me please emphasize willing.
Nobody is a hero breaking up a fight between to people who want to fight. In either culture. Its not Chinese culture to have honor in fighting or standing up to some one win or lose, thats just plain having honor and pride in yourself from whatever culture you come from. To put it simply if to people want to fight fair then let them fight I would go out on a limb and say most people would agree with that mantra…where ever you come from.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
If I see them cut out a pregnant ladys child, stab it in front of her and start to bash on her, I really could care less about the law or the consequenses. Really I wouldn’t, BUT that being said, if I down all three of them what jury isn’t going to believe me when I tell them that I believed the lady to still be alive and told them to stop what they were doing and they kept hitting her. I mean are they going to be like, Oh yea, these guys seemed rational enough to stop doing that when they were told. I don’t think I do a lick of time in that scenario and I probably get a key to the city. BUT even if I did go to jail, I would be fine with the decision I made.
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i get you. but really, is this an intelligent discussion? what ifs? i’d do that. i’d do this? we can make believe all day right? isn’t the meaningful discussion how to deal with animals like this after they’ve been caught? what made them the animals that they are? its fairly simplistic to say they were sick fucks, but what are the chances that three sick fucks happened to stumble upon each other for these ventures? perhaps a sick fuck lurks in us all? think about it…really. how do 3 people of this ilk connect randomly? do you think that’s probable?
i found this video from google as the original is gone, i have to say i watched some gory stuff, beheadings and such, couldn’t watch all of this, its fucking sick.
i found this video from google as the original is gone, i have to say i watched some gory stuff, beheadings and such, couldn’t watch all of this, its fucking sick.
ok NOW you’ve GENUINELY offended me. its one thing to hear you wish your government to torture on your sick behalf but to then turn around and claim the libertarian party? i(and im sure 99% of all other libertarians) would rather not have you associate such things with the libertarian party.
if you want these men tortured guess what you should do? go out and do it your fucking self. if someone did anything of the sort to my family, guess the fuck what? THE COPS WOULD NEVER FIND THEM TO ARREST THEM.
you want a fucking eye for an eye? stop being passive about it and take the fucking eye yourself. but to have the government, the representation of our entire country, torture on YOUR behalf is fucking illogical. my tax dollars will not go to torture a fucker because it will help you sleep better.[/quote]
DEORUM - apparently you didn’t carefully read my post. I am a Libertarian but I’m sure most Libertarians would disagree with my stance on torturing criminals. I made no claims that the Libertarian Party supports torture.
Now, help me thru your (il)logic above. You propose that YOU would take care of the “problem” yourself but that would UNFORTUNEATELY be called Murder. That’s why I want and advocate that the government should do the judging and the executing of laws because that is what a government is legitimately empowered to do.
Sadly though, I know we’ll never have torture as the ultimate punishment for the worst of the worst. Maybe when you have kids some day you’ll understand.
To me torture is completely logical and rational. Not only would it be a highly effective deterrent but it would satiate the emotions of the loved ones of some victims.
This is all opinion anyway, you believe whatever you want to believe.
Here’s some more sick fucks that needed to get TORTURED:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Vegita wrote:
If I see them cut out a pregnant ladys child, stab it in front of her and start to bash on her, I really could care less about the law or the consequenses. Really I wouldn’t, BUT that being said, if I down all three of them what jury isn’t going to believe me when I tell them that I believed the lady to still be alive and told them to stop what they were doing and they kept hitting her.
I mean are they going to be like, Oh yea, these guys seemed rational enough to stop doing that when they were told. I don’t think I do a lick of time in that scenario and I probably get a key to the city. BUT even if I did go to jail, I would be fine with the decision I made.
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i get you. but really, is this an intelligent discussion? what ifs? i’d do that. i’d do this? we can make believe all day right? isn’t the meaningful discussion how to deal with animals like this after they’ve been caught? what made them the animals that they are?
its fairly simplistic to say they were sick fucks, but what are the chances that three sick fucks happened to stumble upon each other for these ventures? perhaps a sick fuck lurks in us all? think about it…really. how do 3 people of this ilk connect randomly? do you think that’s probable?
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Great question. How does someone end up so fucked up? And how do 3 of them find each other?
To me torture is completely logical and rational. Not only would it be a highly effective deterrent but it would satiate the emotions of the loved ones of some victims.
This is all opinion anyway, you believe whatever you want to believe.
Here’s some more sick fucks that needed to get TORTURED:
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The emotions of the loved ones of the victims should never affect the course of justice. Justice is balance. Society balances the actions of the criminals in a humane way by removing them from society. Societies, however much they feel they should be in control, do not have jurisdiction on the subject of whether someone should live or not, because that is a crime. The very crime which the criminals committed.