[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
As far as the scope of living beings is concerned, it actually can.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
They were already SSJs. Sure. That doesn’t mean that there was an insurmountable gap in base power.
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I donno man. The increase from non-super to super saiyan was pretty substantial and the increase to “super” Vegeta for example was also pretty substantial. Goku jokes about how many times Vegeta would have to of increased his power in the hyoerbolic time chamber to stand a chance against Cell (I think he said triple) and Vegeta laughs it off clearly having done more than that.
So Gohan would have had to go super saiyan and then at least triple that level in a year.
That’s a lot.
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It is a lot, but it’s what happened.
Yeah it does; however, I’m using the manga as the base of my argument.
Sure.
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Vegeta mostly trains himself. He’s usually at the end of the herd when everyone else is on their shit. Vegeta’s training to become a SSJ is irrelevant as Gohan and Trunks were already SSJ themselves. Vegeta had more resources at his disposal after that point. HTC, gravity chamber, etc.
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There’s also the three years of training prior to that that were likely forgone. There are also some odd inconsistencies. His hidden power is surprisingly absent. It’s likely that that mechanism was used to allow Gohan to become a SSJ as opposed to lending itself toward his SSJ2 transformation. He just didn’t have good training. Trunks actually did defeat the Androids and Cell in his timeline after the training he got in the HTC. It’s reasonable to speculate that Gohan would’ve done the same had he received the same opportunity. [/quote]
The point is, they survived for years with the androids destroying the Earth yet were unable to surpass super saiyan. Future Gohan never does and dies. Future trunks doesn’t until he travels back in time and train with Vegeta. If half Saiyans have greater power potential then future trunck, given years to develop while surviving, should have ascended at least to super trunks level.[/quote]
This comparison doesn’t make sense as Vegeta didn’t surpass the Androids either until he trained in the HTC just like Trunks. We also don’t know if Vegeta and Trunks even trained together in the HTC. From what is shown, they each just sort of did their own thing. Vegeta didn’t even know how strong Trunks was.
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Don’t know.
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What I meant was that the odds were against him becoming a SSJ.
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It’s like how no one broke a 4 minute mile for decades then all of a sudden 1 guy breaks 4 minutes and then a bunch of people break 4. It’s funny how that works. [/quote]
There have also been advancements in equipment and field design that contribute to that rise in performance in track and field events. For DBZ, the same can be said. Advancements in training methods and quality of training partners/teachers facilitates the process.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
— Also, Superman could kick all of these freakshows’ asses. So could Batman.
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The fact that you all took this throw-away line and ran with it proves my point.
You are all geekier than Jewish MIT engineering students, which I used to think was the geekiest level of geekdom.
That said, as a collective group my geeky college friends and I were all (and generally remain or have far surpassed it) in the 1000 lb club – that is, have a bench/deadlift/squat total of at least 1000lbs, which is not a big deal, but WAY better than 99% of most gym goers — so perhaps there is a strong overlap with geeks and people who actually excel at lifting.
Without fail, every single one of them is very successful in his own way, too.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
You are all geekier than Jewish MIT engineering students, which I used to think was the geekiest level of geekdom.[/quote]
You probably missed the geekier guys that failed out because they were too busy geeking out to go to class.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
I mean yeah there is a ‘limit’ just like Kryptonite ‘limits’ him. But those are basically it. And you know damn well Goku wouldn’t fight Supes around a red sun, he’d want his ‘full power’. Which if we are talking Superman Prime… game over.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
You are all geekier than Jewish MIT engineering students, which I used to think was the geekiest level of geekdom.[/quote]
You probably missed the geekier guys that failed out because they were too busy geeking out to go to class.[/quote]
No, at MIT those guys would show up day one, get the syllabus, smoke pot for a semester, study like mad for a week, then show up for the exams and break the curve way off to the right. MIT is geek Nirvana.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
This comparison doesn’t make sense as Vegeta didn’t surpass the Androids either until he trained in the HTC just like Trunks. We also don’t know if Vegeta and Trunks even trained together in the HTC. From what is shown, they each just sort of did their own thing. Vegeta didn’t even know how strong Trunks was. [/quote]
The comparison makes perfect sense. It wasn’t the HTC that allowed Vegeta to ascend. It was just time, in this case less than a year. Future trunks had plenty of time (years) to get stronger and he didn’t. He also had the advantage of fighting the androids and living; therefore, understanding the level he need to reach to defeat them. So did future Gohan. Future Vegeta doesn’t after the first battle (death), but Vegeta does ascend following that encounter.
Once Vegeta understood he could take his power further, he does. While future Gohan and Trunks do not. Not until they’re pushed by Goku and Vegeta anyway.
Vegeta may not have trained Trunks, but the show makes it clear Trunks watched Vegeta’s every more in order to be as strong as his father. He unfortunately lacked the tactical awareness of Vegeta.
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There have also been advancements in equipment and field design that contribute to that rise in performance in track and field events. For DBZ, the same can be said. Advancements in training methods and quality of training partners/teachers facilitates the process.[/quote]
Sure, except no one except Goku and Vegeta use them and Gohan doesn’t train at all after the Cell Games until Supreme Kai gives him the sword and Old Kai unleashes his hidden power anyway. Not really “advanced” training.
Kid Trunks does get to train with Vegeta. How much we don’t really know. We know he does though since they were training together when Vegeta finds out Trunks can transform.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
I mean yeah there is a ‘limit’ just like Kryptonite ‘limits’ him. But those are basically it. And you know damn well Goku wouldn’t fight Supes around a red sun, he’d want his ‘full power’. Which if we are talking Superman Prime… game over.
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Goku would just hit him with a Spirit Bomb fueled by a red sun, lol.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
I mean yeah there is a ‘limit’ just like Kryptonite ‘limits’ him. But those are basically it. And you know damn well Goku wouldn’t fight Supes around a red sun, he’d want his ‘full power’. Which if we are talking Superman Prime… game over.
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Goku would just hit him with a Spirit Bomb fueled by a red sun, lol. [/quote]
With the amount of time it takes to power, Superman would be able to live in the sun, the spirit bomb would just tickle.
[quote]Pabro wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If DBZ entered DC’s world batman would of course have a way to beat them… otherwise ya, no. Superman is just another alien so not sure. [/quote]
Honestly, I think Supes and Goku would just be so overjoyed that they’ve finally found their ideal sparring partners and would go off to fight for all eternity[/quote]
Oh wow… So true. lol
[quote]BrianBonaparte wrote:
Alright, I have a confession to make…
I do admit that I think Vegeta is the most badass. Yes. I do think that. I do think he’s even more badass than Goku himself…
But it’s a very biased opinion, as Vegeta, Me, and Napoleon Bonaparte (my role model in life), have the same narcissistic personalities.
Literally, if it weren’t for that fact, I would put Yujiro Hanma (the original topic of this thread) as the most badass ever…
I noticed that in a lot of Manga and Anime, the “badass” person is this dude with a lot of, what I would call “raw power”.
Examples: Naruto, with his fox spirit. Ichigo, with his hollow powers. Ippo Makunouchi, with his raw punching power. Edward Elric, with his ability to do alchemical things without dragging chalk on concrete.
Heck, they even have that in Western cartoons, like when that blue lady told the blue man, “You have a strong heart. No fear…”
Like those people, Yujiro had that. He had raw power, and he had it in ABUNDANCE.
But, like all heroes, that raw power was never enough to win the fight. They had to know how to use it to their advantage, the same way that Napoleon had to position his cannon in the right spots before bombarding Prussians bayoneteers. Yujiro was like that, but in a totally different tier.
Which is why I argue that he is technically the better badass compared to any anime character ever made.[/quote]
Quoting myself so I may possibly get people to talk about my hero, Yujiro…
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
I mean yeah there is a ‘limit’ just like Kryptonite ‘limits’ him. But those are basically it. And you know damn well Goku wouldn’t fight Supes around a red sun, he’d want his ‘full power’. Which if we are talking Superman Prime… game over.
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Goku would just hit him with a Spirit Bomb fueled by a red sun, lol. [/quote]
With the amount of time it takes to power, Superman would be able to live in the sun, the spirit bomb would just tickle.[/quote]
No way dude, Supes would just launch into a monologue for the 20 minutes it would take to make and never know what hit him.
[quote]BrianBonaparte wrote:
Quoting myself so I may possibly get people to talk about my hero, Yujiro…[/quote]
No idea who that is…
Lelouch vi Brittania uses his Geass and commands Goku to fly into Space to commit suicide. He commands Superman to eat a brick of Kryptonite.
Hell, Yagami Light just puts their name in the Death note.
[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Lelouch vi Brittania uses his Geass and commands Goku to fly into Space to commit suicide. He commands Superman to eat a brick of Kryptonite.
Hell, Yagami Light just puts their name in the Death note. [/quote]
Can’t Superman fight off mental manipulation?
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Lelouch vi Brittania uses his Geass and commands Goku to fly into Space to commit suicide. He commands Superman to eat a brick of Kryptonite.
Hell, Yagami Light just puts their name in the Death note. [/quote]
Can’t Superman fight off mental manipulation?[/quote]
Good question. Can anyone answer that?
[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Lelouch vi Brittania uses his Geass and commands Goku to fly into Space to commit suicide. He commands Superman to eat a brick of Kryptonite.
Hell, Yagami Light just puts their name in the Death note. [/quote]
Can’t Superman fight off mental manipulation?[/quote]
Good question. Can anyone answer that?
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He can. He created psychic mental barriers to protect himself.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
I mean yeah there is a ‘limit’ just like Kryptonite ‘limits’ him. But those are basically it. And you know damn well Goku wouldn’t fight Supes around a red sun, he’d want his ‘full power’. Which if we are talking Superman Prime… game over.
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Goku would just hit him with a Spirit Bomb fueled by a red sun, lol. [/quote]
The spirit bomb uses ki. Not ultraviolet radiation.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Superman has none.
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None you say?[/quote]
If Superman has absorbed enough yellow sunlight, a red sun actually wouldn’t do anything.[/quote]
For a while. Not forever. [/quote]
I mean yeah there is a ‘limit’ just like Kryptonite ‘limits’ him. But those are basically it. And you know damn well Goku wouldn’t fight Supes around a red sun, he’d want his ‘full power’. Which if we are talking Superman Prime… game over.
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Goku would just hit him with a Spirit Bomb fueled by a red sun, lol. [/quote]
The spirit bomb uses ki. Not ultraviolet radiation.[/quote]
I’m making my own rules up in this cross over universe lol…
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Lelouch vi Brittania uses his Geass and commands Goku to fly into Space to commit suicide. He commands Superman to eat a brick of Kryptonite.
Hell, Yagami Light just puts their name in the Death note. [/quote]
Can’t Superman fight off mental manipulation?[/quote]
Good question. Can anyone answer that?
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He can. He created psychic mental barriers to protect himself.[/quote]
I wonder if he can block the Death Note.