[quote]anonym wrote:
Cool story.
Too bad the planet is actually only 6,000 years old.[/quote]
Holy shit! So the trees are older than the Earth? That means they must have an extraterrestrial origin. They’re not just regular trees, they’re motherfucking SPACE TREES FROM OUTER SPACE!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
My concern is how little love, compassion, empathy, or willingness to understand there are differences between people by those who claim to be following his path.[/quote]
Interesting. Humans are flawed creatures…so you judge a religion by the faults of creatures who will no doubt have faults.
I personally don’t like many churches for many of the same reasons.
The difference?
I can separate the religion and the teachings from the faults of man.
You seem to blame the religion because those people exist.
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Fair point, but if you look back at my post I was not making a blanket statement about all, but some. If that is not clear, I apologize to those you were offended.
All religions are the construction of man, even when the messages for the creator may be direct quotes. So if humans are flawed as you say, and I agree, then I hope you can see that those same flaws find themselves, at times, in the practice and understanding of religious texts. [/quote]
That goes for politics as well. That is why you are responsible for learning and doing some research. I am not a person who just follows others without question. I am not a person who ignores science. I am not a person who ignores the possibility of a creator.
I am one who tries to avoid getting into arguments often as if the goal is to change someone’s mind on religion. I don’t degrade atheists…but see degradation from them so often it gets boring to watch.
As far as what you just wrote, yes, there are no doubt faults that creep into the practices of some religions. As soon as you perfect yourself…then work on everyone else.
Until then, just accept that it is up to you to get what you need from the source you need it.
I personally would find living in a world with the assumption that chaos just accidentally threw it together to be pretty un-fulfilling. I am glad I didn’t make that choice.
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It appears we understand each other.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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The truth is there is more to you than just physiology.[/quote]
i don’t want to put words in your mouth so I’ll just ask: What do you mean exactly?[/quote]
No, let me ask…what do YOU think it means.
You can’t put words in my mouth. I seriously doubt you are thinking along the lines I am. People who have science as a religion generally avoid the concept outside of martial arts movies.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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Science has as much ego and dogma at its heart as politics and religion. Galileo was forced to recant his discovery that the Earth revolves around the sun or die, even though he made his research open to the leading scholars of the time.
Time proved Galileo to be right, but at the time he was “wrong”; the truth was suppressed and he was branded an outcast by scientific minds that were shackled by ego, dogma and tenets. Most of the greatest breakthroughs, the ones that really alter our perceptions, are made this way. It still happens.
Amazing to think that Galileo was probably the only person on the planet to see the truth at that time. One man against the rest of the human race. Human pride is what impels us to assume we have the truth in our hands, when we may not even be close.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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The truth is there is more to you than just physiology.[/quote]
i don’t want to put words in your mouth so I’ll just ask: What do you mean exactly?[/quote]
No, let me ask…what do YOU think it means.
You can’t put words in my mouth. I seriously doubt you are thinking along the lines I am. People who have science as a religion generally avoid the concept outside of martial arts movies.
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I have no interest in guessing. If you equally have no interest in clarifying what you said, then we can just end our conversation here.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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Science has as much ego and dogma at its heart as politics and religion. Galileo was forced to recant his discovery that the Earth revolves around the sun or die, even though he made his research open to the leading scholars of the time.
Time proved Galileo to be right, but at the time he was “wrong”; the truth was suppressed and he was branded an outcast by scientific minds that were shackled by ego, dogma and tenets. Most of the greatest breakthroughs, the ones that really alter our perceptions, are made this way. It still happens.
Amazing to think that Galileo was probably the only person on the planet to see the truth at that time. One man against the rest of the human race. Human pride is what impels us to assume we have the truth in our hands, when we may not even be close.[/quote]
You’re honestly comparing something that happened in the 16th century to modern day science? Really?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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The truth is there is more to you than just physiology.[/quote]
i don’t want to put words in your mouth so I’ll just ask: What do you mean exactly?[/quote]
No, let me ask…what do YOU think it means.
You can’t put words in my mouth. I seriously doubt you are thinking along the lines I am. People who have science as a religion generally avoid the concept outside of martial arts movies.
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I have no interest in guessing. If you equally have no interest in clarifying what you said I understand. We can just end our conversation here.
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Cool with me. I like challenging discussions…but what strikes me as odd about the religion ones is the apparent belief that many atheist simply think they are smarter or more grounded in reality. Obviously no real discussion can take place like that.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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Science has as much ego and dogma at its heart as politics and religion. Galileo was forced to recant his discovery that the Earth revolves around the sun or die, even though he made his research open to the leading scholars of the time.
Time proved Galileo to be right, but at the time he was “wrong”; the truth was suppressed and he was branded an outcast by scientific minds that were shackled by ego, dogma and tenets. Most of the greatest breakthroughs, the ones that really alter our perceptions, are made this way. It still happens.
Amazing to think that Galileo was probably the only person on the planet to see the truth at that time. One man against the rest of the human race. Human pride is what impels us to assume we have the truth in our hands, when we may not even be close.[/quote]
I am sorry, but pretty much all of this is complete nonsense.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
Cool story.
Too bad the planet is actually only 6,000 years old.[/quote]
Holy shit! So the trees are older than the Earth? That means they must have an extraterrestrial origin. They’re not just regular trees, they’re motherfucking SPACE TREES FROM OUTER SPACE!![/quote]
DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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The truth is there is more to you than just physiology.[/quote]
i don’t want to put words in your mouth so I’ll just ask: What do you mean exactly?[/quote]
No, let me ask…what do YOU think it means.
You can’t put words in my mouth. I seriously doubt you are thinking along the lines I am. People who have science as a religion generally avoid the concept outside of martial arts movies.
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I have no interest in guessing. If you equally have no interest in clarifying what you said I understand. We can just end our conversation here.
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Cool with me. I like challenging discussions…but what strikes me as odd about the religion ones is the apparent belief that many atheist simply think they are smarter or more grounded in reality. Obviously no real discussion can take place like that.
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So atheists render discussion impossible because they think they are smarter than religious folk, but you can’t clarify a simple statement you made because you ‘seriously doubt he’s thinking along the same lines as you’? Who is really at fault for the breakdown in discussion here?
And LO FUCKING L at throwing the question back at him like you’ve said something profound. Get the fuck outta here.
I applaud Dr. Matt and Antonym. Between the two of them they’ve ripped Pushharder to shreds and still managed to avoid insulting him, but at some point you have to just let the dumbass be. All he’s going to do is side step the issue and copy and pasting stuff from christiananswers.com until you give up, at which point he’ll declare himself the winner.
And again:
Galileo was not prosecuted for teaching that the earth revolved around the sun.
That was taught, as a theory, all over Europe by lots of people, even in Christian colleges and universities.
What he has prosecuted for was being an obnoxious asshole that made as many enemies as he possibly could just because he was lucky and hit paydirt with this new “telescope” thingy he, um, appropriated from a Dutchman and demanding that the church reinterpreted scripture so as to fit his theory WHICH HE COULD NOT PROVE.
When he then, finally, also directly attacked one of his long lasting allies which just so happened to be THE FUCKING POPE, then he got… house arrest.
In related news, Columbus was never warned that the earth was flat, he was warned that the earth might be a lot bigger than he thought it was and that he simply might starve on the way to Asia, WHICH IT WAS AND HE WOULD HAVE IF HE HAD NOT STUMBLED OVER THE AMERICAS BY SHEER UNADULTERATED LUCK.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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Science has as much ego and dogma at its heart as politics and religion. Galileo was forced to recant his discovery that the Earth revolves around the sun or die, even though he made his research open to the leading scholars of the time.
Time proved Galileo to be right, but at the time he was “wrong”; the truth was suppressed and he was branded an outcast by scientific minds that were shackled by ego, dogma and tenets. Most of the greatest breakthroughs, the ones that really alter our perceptions, are made this way. It still happens.
Amazing to think that Galileo was probably the only person on the planet to see the truth at that time. One man against the rest of the human race. Human pride is what impels us to assume we have the truth in our hands, when we may not even be close.[/quote]
You’re honestly comparing something that happened in the 16th century to modern day science? Really?[/quote]
I thought you’d try to go there. That’s why I said it still happens. Try Linus Pauling. Or is that not recent enough for you?
[quote]orion wrote:
…Columbus was never warned that the earth was flat, he was warned that the earth might be a lot bigger than he thought it was and that he simply might starve on the way to Asia, WHICH IT WAS AND HE WOULD HAVE IF HE HAD NOT STUMBLED OVER THE AMERICAS BY SHEER UNADULTERATED LUCK.[/quote]
Stumbled… luck?
Hell, he wouldn’t have been able to avoid hitting them, as he was heading west.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
…Columbus was never warned that the earth was flat, he was warned that the earth might be a lot bigger than he thought it was and that he simply might starve on the way to Asia, WHICH IT WAS AND HE WOULD HAVE IF HE HAD NOT STUMBLED OVER THE AMERICAS BY SHEER UNADULTERATED LUCK.[/quote]
Stumbled… luck?
Hell, he wouldn’t have been able to avoid hitting them, as he was heading west.
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LOL…as if America jumped in his way right before he passed it.
[quote]overstand wrote:
I applaud Dr. Matt and Antonym. Between the two of them they’ve ripped Pushharder to shreds and still managed to avoid insulting him, but at some point you have to just let the dumbass be. All he’s going to do is side step the issue and copy and pasting stuff from christiananswers.com until you give up, at which point he’ll declare himself the winner. [/quote]
Thank you, sir. I am glad at least one person wasn’t offended by how cool and smart and grounded and awesome I apparently think I am… since we all know a REAL conversation can’t take place when one person has that opinion of themselves, I’m going to take this intermission and “pray” (see what I did there, pushy?) that X remembers he wrote that before trying to barge into… oh, I don’t know, every other discussion from now on.
And, yeah, that is tryharder’s m.o. in these sorts of debates. Usually these sorts of things ferment in the bowels of PWI, but now that it’s out in the open I’ll be sure to point out the “Classic Push” debate tactics as they appear (hint: they’re not as clever, compelling or original as he thinks they are).
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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Ha! You obviously haven’t worked in academia before. Science should be all that you say it is, but sadly the folks involved are not so faultless. Pluto is no longer considered a planet largely because of ego. In place of dogma and tenets you have postulates, corollaries, and theorems. Heaven help you should you challenge those long held beliefs. Scientists and engineers are no less flawed then priests, presidents, you or I.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Some of you seem to have a very cartoonish understanding of what some people believe.
I guess that makes some of you FEEL smarter.[/quote]
Now that the discussion has progressed appropriately, can your brain please tell your ass to stop chipping in its two cents before understanding what, exactly, is actually being discussed?
I KNOW it doesn’t make you LOOK smarter.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I have faith in science because it is responsible for saving billions of lives and has no ego, dogma or tenets. When new information comes to light, it corrects itself. It is the most reliable method for discerning the truth that humans have.
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Ha! You obviously haven’t worked in academia before. Science should be all that you say it is, but sadly the folks involved are not so faultless. Pluto is no longer considered a planet largely because of ego. In place of dogma and tenets you have postulates, corollaries, and theorems. Heaven help you should you challenge those long held beliefs. Scientists and engineers are no less flawed then priests, presidents, you or I. [/quote]
Do you believe in the YEC theory or evolution?