22 Week Cycle - Test Primo Tren Mast Var Win

Pharma / TRT
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Let me start by saying something important here. I realize a lot of new members and beginners browse this section to get advice, tips and to see other user’s experiences. I need to emphasize that this cycle is in no way acceptable for a beginner. Novice users should use any information for research only.

I have used every compound listed below and I know exactly how my body reacts to each one of them. This gives me an advantage over someone who’s never used them and couldn’t identify what compound is causing sides.

The following cycle is only for the truly advanced and should not be used by those who have not completed several smaller cycles successfully.

For beginner cycles, please visit the Educational Section and research there. This cycle is not recommended, not even for your 3rd, 4th or 5th cycle.

Let’s get down to the details…

* CYCLE DURATION (22 Weeks):
Start Date: April 1st, 2014
End Date: September 17th, 2014

Notes: Cycle duration may be cut to 20 weeks.

* CURRENT STATISTICS:
Age: 26
Height: 6’ 0"
Weight: 221 LBS
Body Fat%: 11.44%
Lean: 195.64 LBS
Fat: 25.24 LBS
TDEE: 3994
Training: 11 years
TRT Patient: Yes

Notes: Body Fat calculated via Dexa Scan as of 26/03/2014 - Monthly calculations will follow.

* THE GEAR & DOSAGES:
Weeks Compound Weekly Dose Pin Frequency Lab
1 to 22 Primo 1050 mg 300 mg EOD
1 to 12 Test E 500 mg 250 mg x2 EW
1 to 12 Tren E 500 mg 250 mg x2 EW
1 to 10 Var 700 mg 100 mg ED
8 to 18 Mast 700 mg 200 mg EOD
12 to 22 Test P 700 mg 100 mg ED
12 to 20 Tren A 525 mg .75 mg ED
20 to 22 Tren A 700 mg 100 mg ED
14 to 20 Winny 350 mg .50 mg ED
20 to 22 Winny 700 mg 100 mg ED

1 to 22 Anastrozol 0.5 mg EOD
20 to 22 Anastrozol 1.0 mg EOD
1 to 12 hCG 500 iu 250 iu E3D
12 to 22 hCG 750 iu 250 iu E3D

22 to 26 PCT (see below)

1 to 2 T3 @ 50 50 75 75 75 75 100 mcg ED
1 to 10 Clen @ 60 60 80 80 100 100 120 mcg ED
1 to 10 Keto @ 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 mg EN
2 to 18 T3 @ 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 mcg ED
10 to 12 Keto @ 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 mg EN
12 to 22 Clen @ 60 60 80 80 100 100 120 mcg ED
12 to 22 Keto @ 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 mg EN
20 to 21 T3 @ 100 100 100 75 75 75 75 mcg ED
21 to 22 T3 @ 50 50 50 25 25 25 25 mcg ED

Notes: All gear on hand - additional vials and tabs are available just in case.

* ON HAND: Prami, Letro, Tamox, TB 500

Notes: Although I’ve used all compounds in this cycle previously, I’ve never needed items on hand.

* PCT: Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Tamoxifen - 40/20/20/20
GHRP-2 - dosages are individual dependent
Sermorelin (GRF 1-29) - dosages are individual dependent
Mk-2866 - dosages are individual dependent

Notes: PCT begins 3 days after last pin.

* INJECTION SPOTS: Quads, Delts, Lats, Traps, Glutes, Pecs (that’s 19 rotations max)

Notes: As much as I hate forearms, I may have to incorporate them at some point.

* TRAINING SCHEDULE:
Day 1 Shoulders, Traps, Delts, Abs
Day 2 Chest, Tri’s
Day 3 Back, Bi’s, Abs
Day 4 Legs
Day 5 OFF

Reapeat…

* CARDIO ROUTINE:
30 minutes fasted AM run @ 6.5mph ED.
30 minutes varying incline (6 to 15%) walk @ 4.2mph ED except Leg days.

* ON CYCLE DIET:
Calories 4.2k for 12 weeks, 3.5k for 10 weeks
Protein 275-300
Carbs 350-400
Fats 70
Liquid Intake 4 Liters of Water
Cheat Day Sunday (2800 calorie day)

Veggies: Asparagus, Broccoli, lettuce, spinach, Zucchini, Eggplant, Green beans, okra, sweet potatoes, Lima beans, Chickpeas, lentils, peas.

Proteins: Lean beef, chicken, tuna, salmon, duck, turkey.

Fruits: Bananas & the Berry group.

Also, almonds, almond butter, oats, brown rice, almond milk and tons of egg whites in all forms.

NO protein shakes, No milk, NO bread.

Meals will be every 2 to 3 hours.

Notes: Meals are being prepared for me during the 6 month cycle. Lucky me.

* GOAL AT END OF CYCLE: Under 8% Body Fat and over 240 lbs.

* CLOSING STATEMENT:

I understand that everyone wants to see pictures. If you’ve seen my posts on other boards, you will remember that I suffer from post hyper pigmentation. This is one of 2 reasons why I feel uncomfortable posting pictures.

The second reason is because I have over 100 employees and will not risk posting pictures. For all I know they might be on this forum.

HOWEVER. I will be sharing photos in private with select members. Most likely mid to post cycle. So please, don’t ask :slight_smile:

Lastly, as you see above, this cycle will not start until April 1st, 2014. So until then, I can answer any questions you may have. Due to the length of this cycle, I will make weekly updates from day one. Since I know how primo and mast work for me, I’ll switch to updating multiple times per week when these compounds start cranking.

Blood Work scheduled for Monday. Results will be posted. Will be getting bloods 3 times during this cycle.

I probably forgot a few things here and there in this post. So I will update as I notice any errors, missing info.

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Thanks for the thorough log. I really appreciate it. This is a great opportunity to learn about more complex cycles. Would you mind elaborating a bit on the logic behind drug selection and scheduling in relation with your goals for the cycle?

From looking at the cycle, here’s what I can perceive. Correct me if I’m wrong:

The end goal of the cycle is to both gain muscle (over 20lb) and lose fat (over 3%). You seem to have divided the process into two phases, a 12 week mass gaining period and a 10 week cutting period.

So, for injectables, you have decided to run high dose Primobolan, Testosterone and Trenbolone from start to finish, although, whereas Primobolan dose stays unchanged throughout the cycle, Trenbolone and Testosterone doses go up when you hit the 12 week mark and there is also a change to shorter esters, which suggests that you prefer them for cutting. There is a further increment in Trenbolone dose for the last two weeks, perhaps to harden up a bit more towards the end of the cycle?. There is also a 10 period of fairly high dose Masteron, form week 8 to 18. Is it added during this time to transition form gaining to cutting? And, why not run it until the end of the cycle? This drug’s usage seems most enigmatic to me of all the compounds used, not for it’s addition, but for it’s timing.

For orals, you are going with Anavar for 10 weeks at the start, which seems odd (to me) because, according to my interpretation, the first weeks are for mass gaining and other orals are preferred for this goal, such as Dianabol or Anadrol. Is this a decision made because of personal preferences and tolerances to the different compounds or am I missing something else? The only other possibility I can think of is that you are using it to minimize fat gain during the bulking phase, which seems consistent with your cardio routine (twice a day most days from start to finish) and T3, Clen and Keto use (also from start to finish). After a 4 week break you then switch to Winstrol (I’m assuming it’s oral), 6 weeks at 350mg/week and then a final 2 week blast at double that dose, which coincides with two weeks of elevated Tren Ace.

Thanks for your responses and I’m looking forward to reading your on-cycle updates.

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[quote]eaboadar wrote:
Thanks for the thorough log. I really appreciate it. This is a great opportunity to learn about more complex cycles. Would you mind elaborating a bit on the logic behind drug selection and scheduling in relation with your goals for the cycle?

From looking at the cycle, here’s what I can perceive. Correct me if I’m wrong:

The end goal of the cycle is to both gain muscle (over 20lb) and lose fat (over 3%). You seem to have divided the process into two phases, a 12 week mass gaining period and a 10 week cutting period. Correct.

So, for injectables, you have decided to run high dose Primobolan, Testosterone and Trenbolone from start to finish, although, whereas Primobolan dose stays unchanged throughout the cycle, Trenbolone and Testosterone doses go up when you hit the 12 week mark and there is also a change to shorter esters, which suggests that you prefer them for cutting. The switch from Testosterone-Enanthate to Testosterone-Propionate is not without reason. The last 10 weeks of my cycle, when I will be my leanest, as the Propionate version will yield less water makes it an optimal choice here. There is a further increment in Trenbolone dose for the last two weeks, perhaps to harden up a bit more towards the end of the cycle?Correct, the last 2 weeks the Trenbolone, Winstrol and Arimidex doses are doubled simply to provide a dryer and more enhanced look at the conclusion of the diet. There is also a 10 period of fairly high dose Masteron, form week 8 to 18. Is it added during this time to transition form gaining to cutting? And, why not run it until the end of the cycle? This drug’s usage seems most enigmatic to me of all the compounds used, not for it’s addition, but for it’s timing. Good point! I was initially going to finish up with Mast weeks 12-22 but decided to add in Winstrol (yes, orals) as it’s highly synergistic with Tren & Strozol and pushed the Mast back a few steps having it bridge/overlap in order to reap as many of the benefits as possible before blasting the Winstrol which does replace and amplify Masteron.

For orals, you are going with Anavar for 10 weeks at the start, which seems odd (to me) because, according to my interpretation, the first weeks are for mass gaining and other orals are preferred for this goal, such as Dianabol or Anadrol. I’m not after the kind of mass you would expect from a Dbol/Deca stack, I’m aiming for a more slower yet higher quality lean build, the Anavar only works as a novelty here giving me strength as would Dianabol, not to that level, but without the bloat :slight_smile: Is this a decision made because of personal preferences and tolerances to the different compounds or am I missing something else? The reason behind the Anavar being front loaded is to minimize fat gains as much as possible whilst taking advantage of the strength gains, in order for Masteron to shine, we want quality gains and absolute minimal water retention which rules out the use of Dianabol/Anadrol. The only other possibility I can think of is that you are using it to minimize fat gain during the bulking phase, which seems consistent with your cardio routine (twice a day most days from start to finish) and T3, Clen and Keto use (also from start to finish). After a 4 week break you then switch to Winstrol (I’m assuming it’s oral), 6 weeks at 350mg/week and then a final 2 week blast at double that dose, which coincides with two weeks of elevated Tren Ace. Answered above, you’re on the right track though.

Thanks for your responses and I’m looking forward to reading your on-cycle updates.[/quote]

Answers are in bold ^
1 or 2 adjustments can be made and may seem logical to do so depending on your goal, if mass was my sole primary focus within the first 12 weeks, those 1 or 2 adjustments would be made, however, +20lbs -3%bf will prove to be a challenge regardless of gear rotation.

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I never end a cycle with the same dosage I began with, I often blast the final weeks.

As your body composition adjusts, so must your diet and training intensity, in order to maximise gains.
The same applies to your dosing schedule.

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Thanks a lot for the responses. It’s a very interesting and surely very effective cycle. I like the general idea behind it (lean gains and progression towards leanness).

So, moving on…

I find it intriguing that you are using GHRP-2 during PCT. I had never seen such use. Also, you don’t seem to have added any HGH into the cycle. Would you mind elaborating on all this?

Also, you mentioned diet and training intensity go up as the cycle progresses but this is not visible on your first post other than a single caloric reduction at week 12. What changes are you planning to make? Increasing cardio, maybe? Lastly, you mention a weekly cheat day and yet this day is lower in calories than the rest. Is this just a break from schedule where you probably end up eating fewer calories than your normal daily intake?

Again, thanks and I hope I get to be one of the people you share your pictures with. No risk in me being an employee of yours since I pretty much live on the other side of the world an I’m self employed :).

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Why a pct if you are on trt/cruise?

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Sounds like you have your shit together. BUT, in all respect, I believe you overcomplicate things. 1,5grams of test, 1 gram of tren, 500 boldenone and around 10 IU’s of insulin after workout, will treat you better in terms of gains. There is no way in hell you won’t be under 8% at 240 with this cycle, IF your eating and training is up to par.

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This whole cycle blows my mind. Sounds crazy ( in the sense of advanced and out of my world entirely ) I cant even imagine what a cycle like this would cost you all together? Jesus. Sounds like you got your shit together, enjoym the ride brother!