.22 Target Pistol

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
I’m not sure how widespread it is, but sig has had some QC issues in some of their guns. Still great guns though.[/quote]

Quality control problems in the handguns was quite a long time ago. Every Sig I have handled recently has been exemplary, as in never failed to load, fire or eject after hundreds an hundreds of rounds, whereas my friend’s Kimber 1911 would hiccup every fifth magazine or so.

The Sig 556R rifle in 7.63x39 suffered a bit from birth pangs, and a distinct refusal to cooperate with cheap American-made plastic magazines, which is where a lot of Sig’s bad reputation probably came from, but all current models are ticking away like…well, a Swiss watch.

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I’m referring to the P238. Any thoughts?

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Browning buckmark is a good option. I have put lots of rounds through one and had very few troubles. However, here in Colorado I am still having trouble finding .22 ammo. So it has not had much use lately. Hopefully you have better luck with ammo.

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[quote]hkd wrote:
Browning buckmark is a good option. I have put lots of rounds through one and had very few troubles. However, here in Colorado I am still having trouble finding .22 ammo. So it has not had much use lately. Hopefully you have better luck with ammo. [/quote]

We aren’t having any better luck here in Mississippi. Compounding the problem is when people do find it, if they store hasn’t imposed a quantity limit which has become common, they buy it all and jack the prices way up. I was talking to our local gun dealer the other day though and he said it was slowly getting easier to get his hands on it.

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[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Where do you guys shoot? Gun club, private property, commercial gym? Kidding on the last one but seriously [/quote]

I belong to a sportsman’s club. I think it’s definitely worth the cost of membership, especially if you’re into any other outdoor sports.

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[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Where do you guys shoot? Gun club, private property, commercial gym? Kidding on the last one but seriously [/quote]

I belong to a sportsman’s club. I think it’s definitely worth the cost of membership, especially if you’re into any other outdoor sports. [/quote]

After I bought my own clay thrower and a few 3D archery targets I never used my membership so I cancelled it. However I do miss the comradelier a little but just not enough to justify the cost for me right now. Really good option though.

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[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Where do you guys shoot? Gun club, private property, commercial gym? Kidding on the last one but seriously [/quote]
got a free range in the Francis Marion National Forest. very well set up with a dirt backstop, individual lanes, range markers, parking area. see people come out with their own chairs, benches, lunches, and make a family outing. check with your local Game Wardens and see where they recommend.

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
I’m not sure how widespread it is, but sig has had some QC issues in some of their guns. Still great guns though.[/quote]

Quality control problems in the handguns was quite a long time ago. Every Sig I have handled recently has been exemplary, as in never failed to load, fire or eject after hundreds an hundreds of rounds, whereas my friend’s Kimber 1911 would hiccup every fifth magazine or so.

The Sig 556R rifle in 7.63x39 suffered a bit from birth pangs, and a distinct refusal to cooperate with cheap American-made plastic magazines, which is where a lot of Sig’s bad reputation probably came from, but all current models are ticking away like…well, a Swiss watch.

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I’m referring to the P238. Any thoughts?[/quote]

Never used any of their .380 pistols.

I haven’t been excited over any .380 pistol I’ve ever handled, however, whether it was a Kel-Tec or a Colt.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
I’ve been thinking about the same thing.

Eventually I’d like to move to a “real” caliber, but after shooting both 9mm and .45 at the range, I’m just not accurate enough at this point. Both of those are expensive to shoot, at least relative to a .22.

I’d like to spend the time working on accuracy with a .22, then upgrade. Obviously it’ll then take time to learn the new caliber.

My thinking is… ironing out things like stance, body tension, aim, etc, can be done with a .22. After that point, I’d have to relearn a new gun and a new caliber, but I’d at least have a lot of the basics in place to work with.

Does that make sense? (Honestly asking, because I really don’t know.)[/quote]

My experience is that if you want to shoot the bigger rounds, you have to shoot the bigger rounds. The visceral experience of shooting large calibers is very different.
I mean, yes, you have to apply the basics of shooting in any scenario, but being accurate with a 22 does not mean you will be accurate with a 45.

I never got better at shooting .357 magnum by shooting .38 special which was recommended to me. It’s a totally different experience. If you have trigger control it doesn’t matter the caliber. It’s a mental game because the big recoil factors into pulling the trigger on a large round. You just cannot be afraid.
The benefit of shooting 22 is that the rounds are cheap. You can shoot a lot for more a lot less. So you do get more practice and the more practice the better.

I really just like the big boy rounds. .380 is as light a round as I will go. I love shooting 45 ACP. I don’t find the recoil bad from 45. My 357 is has a 3 inch barrel, that’s why the recoil on it is so profound. I love the shit out of that gun, but it’s a bear to handle.

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[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Where do you guys shoot? Gun club, private property, commercial gym? Kidding on the last one but seriously [/quote]
I have a reasonably priced range I go to not far from my house. The people are super nice (even sponsored my daughters cheer team) and they don’t mind me trolling around drooling on their stock. They better be nice, I bought 4 guns from them… :slight_smile:

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My vote is for the Smith and Wesson M&P 22. It’s going to the closest in feel to any ‘real’ handgun you may want to transition to and its a full size gun so it will fit you better if you have large hands.

Where do you live that you need a license for a handgun but can shoot sawed off shotguns?

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I have A gun club somewhat near me, not sure how much it costs though. The sawed off was not mine, nothing I shot that day was mine. It was from a family member teaching me some stuff. He’s licensed though haha so its not like it was some sketchy situation

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I’ve been thinking about the same thing.

Eventually I’d like to move to a “real” caliber, but after shooting both 9mm and .45 at the range, I’m just not accurate enough at this point. Both of those are expensive to shoot, at least relative to a .22.

I’d like to spend the time working on accuracy with a .22, then upgrade. Obviously it’ll then take time to learn the new caliber.

My thinking is… ironing out things like stance, body tension, aim, etc, can be done with a .22. After that point, I’d have to relearn a new gun and a new caliber, but I’d at least have a lot of the basics in place to work with.

Does that make sense? (Honestly asking, because I really don’t know.)[/quote]

My experience is that if you want to shoot the bigger rounds, you have to shoot the bigger rounds. The visceral experience of shooting large calibers is very different.
I mean, yes, you have to apply the basics of shooting in any scenario, but being accurate with a 22 does not mean you will be accurate with a 45.

I never got better at shooting .357 magnum by shooting .38 special which was recommended to me. It’s a totally different experience. If you have trigger control it doesn’t matter the caliber. It’s a mental game because the big recoil factors into pulling the trigger on a large round. You just cannot be afraid.
The benefit of shooting 22 is that the rounds are cheap. You can shoot a lot for more a lot less. So you do get more practice and the more practice the better.

I really just like the big boy rounds. .380 is as light a round as I will go. I love shooting 45 ACP. I don’t find the recoil bad from 45. My 357 is has a 3 inch barrel, that’s why the recoil on it is so profound. I love the shit out of that gun, but it’s a bear to handle.
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I agree that .22 is poor practice for learning how to handle a sidearm.

IMO the hard part is working on the trigger press and you can practice dry firing. One thing I’ve done is put a piece of fired brass on the front site and try to keep it there when you pull the trigger. If you’re jerking it, the brass will fall off.

When you switch to live rounds you may have a flinch. A way to drill that is to put dummy rounds in the magazine between live rounds. Get some snapcaps off Amazon or just load empty brass randomly in your magazine. It’s better if you have a buddy load it, so you don’t know when you will fire a live round or dummy round. You will find out pretty click if you are flinching when pulling the trigger.

Shooting isn’t a cheap hobby and you’re better off spending the money on ammo instead of a dedicated .22 pistol. Eventually, you will say f- it, buy more ammo than you really need, and the .22 pistol on top of it to teach other people how to shoot. Then you’ll be looking at rifles, scopes, holsters, reloading equipment, maybe night vision and tactical gear, training courses, and whatever else.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I’ve been thinking about the same thing.

Eventually I’d like to move to a “real” caliber, but after shooting both 9mm and .45 at the range, I’m just not accurate enough at this point. Both of those are expensive to shoot, at least relative to a .22.

I’d like to spend the time working on accuracy with a .22, then upgrade. Obviously it’ll then take time to learn the new caliber.

My thinking is… ironing out things like stance, body tension, aim, etc, can be done with a .22. After that point, I’d have to relearn a new gun and a new caliber, but I’d at least have a lot of the basics in place to work with.

Does that make sense? (Honestly asking, because I really don’t know.)[/quote]

My experience is that if you want to shoot the bigger rounds, you have to shoot the bigger rounds. The visceral experience of shooting large calibers is very different.
I mean, yes, you have to apply the basics of shooting in any scenario, but being accurate with a 22 does not mean you will be accurate with a 45.

I never got better at shooting .357 magnum by shooting .38 special which was recommended to me. It’s a totally different experience. If you have trigger control it doesn’t matter the caliber. It’s a mental game because the big recoil factors into pulling the trigger on a large round. You just cannot be afraid.
The benefit of shooting 22 is that the rounds are cheap. You can shoot a lot for more a lot less. So you do get more practice and the more practice the better.

I really just like the big boy rounds. .380 is as light a round as I will go. I love shooting 45 ACP. I don’t find the recoil bad from 45. My 357 is has a 3 inch barrel, that’s why the recoil on it is so profound. I love the shit out of that gun, but it’s a bear to handle.
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I agree that .22 is poor practice for learning how to handle a sidearm.

IMO the hard part is working on the trigger press and you can practice dry firing. One thing I’ve done is put a piece of fired brass on the front site and try to keep it there when you pull the trigger. If you’re jerking it, the brass will fall off.

When you switch to live rounds you may have a flinch. A way to drill that is to put dummy rounds in the magazine between live rounds. Get some snapcaps off Amazon or just load empty brass randomly in your magazine. It’s better if you have a buddy load it, so you don’t know when you will fire a live round or dummy round. You will find out pretty click if you are flinching when pulling the trigger.

Shooting isn’t a cheap hobby and you’re better off spending the money on ammo instead of a dedicated .22 pistol. Eventually, you will say f- it, buy more ammo than you really need, and the .22 pistol on top of it to teach other people how to shoot. Then you’ll be looking at rifles, scopes, holsters, reloading equipment, maybe night vision and tactical gear, training courses, and whatever else.
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Well some people are real .22 fanatics. Who am I to judge? But as a point of learning how to shoot, you won’t get any better with a .22 than anything else.
It is an addictive hobby, that is for sure. I was just going to buy one gun, a nice revolver and that was going to be it. Boy did that train leave the tracks in a hurry! I ended up with 6. I love them all, dearly. I have accumulated a 1000+ rounds of target ammo. I am ready to make a dent in that supply, hopefully today.
There are several specific gun threads here…Maybe it’s time for the Gun Love 2 thread?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Well some people are real .22 fanatics. Who am I to judge? But as a point of learning how to shoot, you won’t get any better with a .22 than anything else.
It is an addictive hobby, that is for sure. I was just going to buy one gun, a nice revolver and that was going to be it. Boy did that train leave the tracks in a hurry! I ended up with 6. I love them all, dearly. I have accumulated a 1000+ rounds of target ammo. I am ready to make a dent in that supply, hopefully today.
There are several specific gun threads here…Maybe it’s time for the Gun Love 2 thread?[/quote]

I never thought of it that way, but I’m pretty much a .22 fanatic. All my favorite guns are .22. Ruger 10/22, Mark II, Single Size, CZ-452,… the list goes on and on. Heck, I like my 1911 better with the .22 conversion on. I still think the 10/22 with a 100 rd mag would make an awesome home defense gun.

I can appreciate the recoil junkies, but it’s not for me. I don’t think I’d even want to shoot a .50 BMG (ok, I would, but only once).

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Well some people are real .22 fanatics. Who am I to judge? But as a point of learning how to shoot, you won’t get any better with a .22 than anything else.
It is an addictive hobby, that is for sure. I was just going to buy one gun, a nice revolver and that was going to be it. Boy did that train leave the tracks in a hurry! I ended up with 6. I love them all, dearly. I have accumulated a 1000+ rounds of target ammo. I am ready to make a dent in that supply, hopefully today.
There are several specific gun threads here…Maybe it’s time for the Gun Love 2 thread?[/quote]

I never thought of it that way, but I’m pretty much a .22 fanatic. All my favorite guns are .22. Ruger 10/22, Mark II, Single Size, CZ-452,… the list goes on and on. Heck, I like my 1911 better with the .22 conversion on. I still think the 10/22 with a 100 rd mag would make an awesome home defense gun.

I can appreciate the recoil junkies, but it’s not for me. I don’t think I’d even want to shoot a .50 BMG (ok, I would, but only once).[/quote]

That’s what I like about guns. Anybody can find their niche. I do like the big calibers, but I wouldn’t call myself a recoil junkie. My .357 has hellacious recoil, but my favorite is my 1911. I like the power and the precision involved in controlling that kind of power. And I just like to blow shit up the more theatrical the better. I love to shoot the +P+ stuff, the well designed and built +P+ doesn’t have the recoil you’d expect, but the bullet gets there in a hurry. It’s just my nature, I like powerful shit. Just (finally) got a muscle car and I cannot get enough. All I want to do is drive and shoot, then drive some more and shoot some more.
I wish somebody made a +++++++++PPPPPPPPPPP+++++++++++ round.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Well some people are real .22 fanatics. Who am I to judge? But as a point of learning how to shoot, you won’t get any better with a .22 than anything else.
It is an addictive hobby, that is for sure. I was just going to buy one gun, a nice revolver and that was going to be it. Boy did that train leave the tracks in a hurry! I ended up with 6. I love them all, dearly. I have accumulated a 1000+ rounds of target ammo. I am ready to make a dent in that supply, hopefully today.
There are several specific gun threads here…Maybe it’s time for the Gun Love 2 thread?[/quote]

I never thought of it that way, but I’m pretty much a .22 fanatic. All my favorite guns are .22. Ruger 10/22, Mark II, Single Size, CZ-452,… the list goes on and on. Heck, I like my 1911 better with the .22 conversion on. I still think the 10/22 with a 100 rd mag would make an awesome home defense gun.

I can appreciate the recoil junkies, but it’s not for me. I don’t think I’d even want to shoot a .50 BMG (ok, I would, but only once).[/quote]

That’s what I like about guns. Anybody can find their niche. I do like the big calibers, but I wouldn’t call myself a recoil junkie. My .357 has hellacious recoil, but my favorite is my 1911. I like the power and the precision involved in controlling that kind of power. And I just like to blow shit up the more theatrical the better. I love to shoot the +P+ stuff, the well designed and built +P+ doesn’t have the recoil you’d expect, but the bullet gets there in a hurry. It’s just my nature, I like powerful shit. Just (finally) got a muscle car and I cannot get enough. All I want to do is drive and shoot, then drive some more and shoot some more.
I wish somebody made a +++++++++PPPPPPPPPPP+++++++++++ round.[/quote]
is a 45-70 derringer close enough?

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[quote]silverblood wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Well some people are real .22 fanatics. Who am I to judge? But as a point of learning how to shoot, you won’t get any better with a .22 than anything else.
It is an addictive hobby, that is for sure. I was just going to buy one gun, a nice revolver and that was going to be it. Boy did that train leave the tracks in a hurry! I ended up with 6. I love them all, dearly. I have accumulated a 1000+ rounds of target ammo. I am ready to make a dent in that supply, hopefully today.
There are several specific gun threads here…Maybe it’s time for the Gun Love 2 thread?[/quote]

I never thought of it that way, but I’m pretty much a .22 fanatic. All my favorite guns are .22. Ruger 10/22, Mark II, Single Size, CZ-452,… the list goes on and on. Heck, I like my 1911 better with the .22 conversion on. I still think the 10/22 with a 100 rd mag would make an awesome home defense gun.

I can appreciate the recoil junkies, but it’s not for me. I don’t think I’d even want to shoot a .50 BMG (ok, I would, but only once).[/quote]

That’s what I like about guns. Anybody can find their niche. I do like the big calibers, but I wouldn’t call myself a recoil junkie. My .357 has hellacious recoil, but my favorite is my 1911. I like the power and the precision involved in controlling that kind of power. And I just like to blow shit up the more theatrical the better. I love to shoot the +P+ stuff, the well designed and built +P+ doesn’t have the recoil you’d expect, but the bullet gets there in a hurry. It’s just my nature, I like powerful shit. Just (finally) got a muscle car and I cannot get enough. All I want to do is drive and shoot, then drive some more and shoot some more.
I wish somebody made a +++++++++PPPPPPPPPPP+++++++++++ round.[/quote]
is a 45-70 derringer close enough?[/quote]

That’s a giant fucking LOL gun! What’s the barrel length? 1/4"?

And yes, if you like to shoot +P+, Magnums, and drive muscle cars, you’re probably a closet recoil junkie. I have a snub nosed .44 Mag. It’ll definitely let you know when you’ve pulled the trigger, but I think the light weight .380 and 9mm have more snap to them.

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[quote]silverblood wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Well some people are real .22 fanatics. Who am I to judge? But as a point of learning how to shoot, you won’t get any better with a .22 than anything else.
It is an addictive hobby, that is for sure. I was just going to buy one gun, a nice revolver and that was going to be it. Boy did that train leave the tracks in a hurry! I ended up with 6. I love them all, dearly. I have accumulated a 1000+ rounds of target ammo. I am ready to make a dent in that supply, hopefully today.
There are several specific gun threads here…Maybe it’s time for the Gun Love 2 thread?[/quote]

I never thought of it that way, but I’m pretty much a .22 fanatic. All my favorite guns are .22. Ruger 10/22, Mark II, Single Size, CZ-452,… the list goes on and on. Heck, I like my 1911 better with the .22 conversion on. I still think the 10/22 with a 100 rd mag would make an awesome home defense gun.

I can appreciate the recoil junkies, but it’s not for me. I don’t think I’d even want to shoot a .50 BMG (ok, I would, but only once).[/quote]

That’s what I like about guns. Anybody can find their niche. I do like the big calibers, but I wouldn’t call myself a recoil junkie. My .357 has hellacious recoil, but my favorite is my 1911. I like the power and the precision involved in controlling that kind of power. And I just like to blow shit up the more theatrical the better. I love to shoot the +P+ stuff, the well designed and built +P+ doesn’t have the recoil you’d expect, but the bullet gets there in a hurry. It’s just my nature, I like powerful shit. Just (finally) got a muscle car and I cannot get enough. All I want to do is drive and shoot, then drive some more and shoot some more.
I wish somebody made a +++++++++PPPPPPPPPPP+++++++++++ round.[/quote]
is a 45-70 derringer close enough?[/quote]

Yours??

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[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
I’m turning 21 soon and want to get my handgun license and obviously a pistol to go along with it. I enjoy target shooting and a .22 is prlly the best way to get into it, cheap and fun to shoot. I’ve shot other calibers, worked my way up to a double barrel sawed off 20 gauge the other day. I enjoy .22 pistols though and I know a few of you guys on here are gun savvy. So any input? I enjoyed shooting a walther p22, a bit small for my large hands though. Does this just come with the .22 territory? [/quote]

All my .22s are small but my cousin has a full size Glock (9mm) that he uses a conversion kit to shoot .22lr. The Glock was expensive and the conversion kit cost almost $300.00. I know there conversion kits for 1911s also.