[quote]orion wrote:
If I could find something that started with “n” and made sense with “nuanced Nazi” I would have an alliteration on my hands.
Alas…[/quote]
Yep. From his terrorist manu… eh - ‘manifesto’:
I guess it is tempting for the many who have endured years of vilification, to just start believing the propaganda and embrace NS fully. However, I remain a staunch anti-Nazi and I blame NSDAP for the situation we are in. Hadnâ??t it been for the actions of the cultural right wing extremists known as the NSDAP our Western European countries would not be dominated by the cultural Marxist extremist regimes we witness today. If the NSDAP had been isolationistic instead of imperialistic(expansionist) and just deported the Jews (to a liberated and Muslim free Zion) instead of massacring them, the anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism would have never been institutionalized in Western Europe, because the Marxists would never have been so radicalized to begin with. The cultural conservatives would have been in a very strong and dominant situation today.
Western European countries would have had cultural conservative doctrines similar to what we see in Japan and South Korea.
[quote]kamui wrote:
. . anti-capitalism and “working class” rhetoric belong to the european far right since the early 20th century. Fascism and nazism were (non-marxist) socialisms, the populist movments of the 1930s were anti-capitalist too. Christian radicals are often “solidarists” and advocate a “third path” between capitalism and socialism. [/quote]
And I think that is where USA readers of the news become baffled.
[quote]kamui wrote:
. . anti-capitalism and “working class” rhetoric belong to the european far right since the early 20th century. Fascism and nazism were (non-marxist) socialisms, the populist movments of the 1930s were anti-capitalist too. Christian radicals are often “solidarists” and advocate a “third path” between capitalism and socialism. [/quote]
And I think that is where USA readers of the news become baffled.
In the USA “socialist” = left.
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very true, superb analysis
To Rohnyn, he killed white Norweigan children because they were members of a political party that had allowed unprecedented immigration and were (in his minds) cultural marxists who would continue to enact that policy. Therefore, in exterminating them, he exterminated the future of cultural marxism, thereby leaving only likeminded people.
This dude is like a child, like kamui superbly analysed, not mad because he has similar views to many on the far right. Calling him insane hides the problems inherent in 21st century Europe
I just hope that the lessons learned from this will be that while Islamic terrorism continues to be a big freaking problem and a genuine threat, the so called “Counter Jihad” movement is just as dangerous.
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
I just hope that the lessons learned from this will be that while Islamic terrorism continues to be a big freaking problem and a genuine threat, the so called “Counter Jihad” movement is just as dangerous.[/quote]
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And this is proof that it’s “just as dangerous?”[/quote]
Go read Gates of Vienna. Or Brussels Journal. Breivik’s manifesto is basically a compendium of ultra-right chatter for the past ten years. Google “Fjordman”.
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
I just hope that the lessons learned from this will be that while Islamic terrorism continues to be a big freaking problem and a genuine threat, the so called “Counter Jihad” movement is just as dangerous.[/quote]
No it’s not. [/quote]
Of course it is, don’t be silly. Just look at the numbers:
Terrorist attacks committed by Islamists in the name of their religion in the last decade:
15,000+
Terrorist attacks committed by someone who has links to the ‘counter jihad’ movement in the last decade:
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And this is proof that it’s “just as dangerous?”[/quote]
Go read Gates of Vienna. Or Brussels Journal. Breivik’s manifesto is basically a compendium of ultra-right chatter for the past ten years. Google “Fjordman”.[/quote]
Why do I have to read them in total? Can’t you just post their calls to violence?
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Calling him insane hides the problems inherent in 21st century Europe[/quote]
What are these ‘inherent problems in 21st century Europe’ and how does ‘calling him insane’ hide these unspecified ‘inherent problems’?[/quote]
inherent problems - rising immigration, especially into previous homogenous areas, rising indigenous anger at elites doing nothing about it going unnoticed, any one protest voting (lega Nord etc) called fascist. France with the burka, Italy with rising immigrant-led crime. Spain too. The huge strain on Britain on health, public services, housing and education. I could go on.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Calling him insane hides the problems inherent in 21st century Europe[/quote]
What are these ‘inherent problems in 21st century Europe’ and how does ‘calling him insane’ hide these unspecified ‘inherent problems’?[/quote]
inherent problems - rising immigration, especially into previous homogenous areas, rising indigenous anger at elites doing nothing about it going unnoticed, any one protest voting (lega Nord etc) called fascist. France with the burka, Italy with rising immigrant-led crime. Spain too. The huge strain on Britain on health, public services, housing and education. I could go on.[/quote]
No need. I agree with you, but this guy IS crazy. I think Melanie Phillips said it best:
‘The suggestion that Breivik’s behaviour resulted from political rage let alone from reading thinkers such as John Locke, John Stuart Mill or Winston Churchill is frankly itself an opinion in need of treatment. The man is either in the grip of a psychosis or he is a psychopath in other words, a grossly abnormal personality incapable of human feelings of empathy (my money is on the latter).’
I guess we can agree that any one comitting an act of the dimensions that breivik did is somewhat abnormal or off, be it right-wingers, left-wingers, muslims, jews etc. retoric and ideas can offcourse contribute or be used to create horror, but it s always more to it than ideas alone. Only people who subscribe to an idealistic-historical wiew will blame the ideas alone.
Btw: I havent seen anyone on this forum blaming the ideas of classical liberalst thinkers for
the terror in oslo and on utoya. People have rather pointed towards hes eurosentrism, islamophobia and hes conspiracy theory about the influence of cultural-marxists.
I would say that blaming the ideology of classical liberalism is as stupid as saying that nazism and fascism where ultra-inhumane because they wanted a mixed-economy. Conclusions like that are beyond ignorant and stupid.
