I can’t speak for @Bauber, but the way you write is a pretty good indication.
Explain how this happens.
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Once he does that - his argument is fucked to anyone with any actual money or a real job.
Yeah, except the workers would own and run the business. Oops. My bad.
When someone asked Jeremy Corbyn where the workers might get the money to purchase the business to transform it into a worker co-op, he just smiled and said the government.
In Italy they will give you your unemployment in a lump sum, if you can find 9 more individuals, who, with you, want to start a worker co-op. Then those 9 others would get there unemployment in a lump sum.
These scenario’s shouldn’t be so surprising because this happens in the U.S. Oops. My bad.
How many worker co-ops last and are profitable?
There are no laws against them now. Why are there not more of them?
We all know the answers.
I mean, that specifically answers my question. So, yes.
You’ve just talked a whole lot about all the politicians you hate, I was wondering who you actually supported, lol.
there’s definitely a joke to be made here.
yep. definitely a joke there.
I mostly meant in terms of ability to handle themselves in a debate format, not talking over each other, not saying incredibly stupid shit. Obviously your opinion would be that Pete is on the wrong side of most topics that would be debated. I’m simply saying he would hold his own well in that format, as I think Desantis would. I think both would… behave. lol. I know plenty of people absolutely loved how Trump conducted himself in debates, but it’s just not what I want to see from political candidates, regardless of policy position. If there was a Democrat who I agreed with on every single position, but they ‘debated’ the way Trump did, I would similarly dislike it.
So we do not have the right to an attorney? Pretty sure that’s actually an enumerated right in our Constitution, and it is attained from another individual. It’s not so different from having the right to a doctor/health care, conceptually. Obviously there’s a big difference between something that’s in the Constitution and something that’s not, but I think your definition of a right fails here.
Agreed. I don’t know anyone over the age of about 15 who would type ‘bwahahaha’ in a conversation about politics.
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Only in criminal cases or where your liberty is at stake (usually surrounding child custody).
You’re telling this to a guy who started a multi-million dollar company with a chainsaw and a piece of rope.
None of this is news, and pointing at the exception and calling it the rule is your typical horse shit.
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How do other industrialized countries do it?
Yes, this is an old article, so the U.S. may have made some improvements and moved up the rankings or they could have slipped further behind,
A bit more recent.
Wow, every other industrialized country came ahead of us and they all had some form of single-payer. But there are still brainwashed idiots on here that claim it can’t be done. Or claim healthcare is not a right as a roadblock to help people not to die OR become financially broke because of an illness. And these are the same people who will continue to vote for whomever the duopoly puts forth. And they believe their guy is going to change things. How many decades can they be fooled?
I knew somebody would see it.
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I’m not the one claiming they do. That’s why I’m asking you, the one making the claim, to explain it.
sure, but it’s still a right that is dependent on the actions of other people. That was my main point. I didn’t say it was unlimited. I can’t speak for Castoli, but I would also imagine that a ‘healthcare right’ would similarly be limited.
And I’m not actually going to be an advocate for this point in this thread, I was merely challenging the basic concept that a right only exists as long as it is independent of other peoples’ actions. I think that is just a bad definition.
Glad you can google.
Now tell us the tax rates of the countries with single-payer systems.
Also, show us where the US ranks in care processes and innovation for new medical treatments and devices that those single-payer systems leach off of.
Single-payer is like NATO - it does a shitty job propped up by the USA’s money.
Also, list how much each of those countries spend on their defense / just depend on us to do it for them.
This is a very complicated issue that reaches more areas than just healthcare, yet you have zero clue.
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The right to an attorney is the only one I can think of that fits requiring positive action from an individual. And it is specifically enumerated in the 6th amendment.
I think as a general rule minus the one exception it is a good definition.
No, you only think you do. Break out of the propaganda bubble you’re floating in and challenge your beliefs.
Hmmmmm…
Well, we also have the right to a public education, also via the Constitution/subsequent supreme court decisions. So we have education and criminal defense. It’s not a massive stretch to say that healthcare, the thing that keeps us alive so we can enjoy all of our other rights/freedoms, could be considered a right in itself.
I could get on board with that, if it comes with no tax increase - ever. I am taxed enough and pay more than my “fair share”.
Which the notion of “fair share” is total bullshit.
Answer my questions.
How many businesses are run off this model currently? I think I have found like 2 searching.
If it is so much better, resilient, and easy, why are there not more successful and big ones?
And you think that is why we spend as much as the next 8-10 countries combined on the military. And most of them are our allies.
Their tax rates may be higher but do they equal the cost of the U.S. healthcare “system” which is primarily designed for profits, not health.
It may take me some time to find this information but I can tell you it does rank number 1 in medical BK’s and deaths because of no healthcare. With the tens of thousands of deaths every year, does care processes and innovation really matter? If other countries are living off the advances made by the U.S.(not true) are you claiming this is the reason they can afford a single-payer system?
For information pointing in this direction look to the other posts I’ve made OR if you need it I can post the articles here.
I can tell you didn’t read the article or you wouldn’t be asking me these questions.