2020 Presidential Race

In all fairness he was pretty much robbed intentionally of having a shot.

That said I don’t think Bernie beats Trump. Too far left. It wouldn’t be past them to pick someone else he could beat though. He’s going to be a weak incumbent matchup. Maybe the weakest since Carter? But he’s still going to have a good shot. We like two term presidents.

Worth noting that Trumps 39% approval average is lower than Carters 45 but I realize we are comparing a longer term than Trump has so far. Hell Trumps highest approval rating is a full 21 points behind the next lowest which was Nixon.

Oh, I know. It’s these low bar, holier than thou attitudes though that make me laugh and have to tease out that the DNC is in fact the other end of the turd. While convincing themselves that they’re touching the clean end, they’ve completely forgotten that it was the DNC that actually conspired and manipulated their primary to subvert the will of the people.

But the bar is low Now that Trump is in office.

Honest to God, it’s the funniest damn thing I’ve ever seen at this scale.

Where in the hell would it be had Hillary been elected?

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Just in a different spot. The saddest thing about our country is we have two major parties and both ran as their number one choice people with record disapproval ratings.

It’s almost like both teams said let’s just pick our worst possible person for 2016. Democrats may have run the one person who Trump could beat. And Trump may be the one person who can lose an election with this hot of an economy and no real major foreign policy nightmare like Iraq.

I mean Dems are shitting bricks if pretty much any other main Republican holds the Presidency right now. And what other President could have this putrid of an approval rating with the economy like it is?

Ultimately I suppose we get the people we pick so it’s on us.

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The DNC picked the person who got more corporate support.

Oh it’s lower now. The office of the president hasn’t been this low in years. It my opinion (and I’m old enough to remember) it wasn’t this low even during the Nixon years. With that being said, I don’t think Bernie will win the nomination. I think most dems realize that we can’t go that far left and win.

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I think this deserves emphasis, @H_factor

Other than him having to face his own self-inflicted controversies and “crises” ; Trump has not faced a true International and/or domestic crisis.

God help us if he does, because the man can’t keep a fully functioning Administration if his Life depended on it. (Conway, maybe?)

That is NOT to say that he can’t respond…time and circumstances really determine a President’s true abilities. I just hope that things continue to chug along for his two terms so that we don’t have to find out.

In terms of the economy?

He’s damn lucky that he happens to be President during an “up” cycle.
It is doing well despite Trump…not because of him…

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Did Trump shoot himself in the foot with his ‘crisis at the border’ bullshit? It seems from the outside looking in it’s been a pretty smooth couple of years.

But now he can’t even brag about how smooth it is without invalidating the need for his wall

I think the economy is doing well because of trump. Start slashing at regs and tax rates and you’ll undoubtedly see the economy climb.

Whether or not the long term is worth the increasing class divide is yet to be seen, but like he always says it’ll probably be someone else’s problem.

And I don’t.

But that’s okay. Reasonable people can disagree.

Do you think less regulation and lower taxes don’t have an impact on the economy?

Yes…but in ways that reflect the direction in which an economy is already headed.

If an economy is already headed into an upward cycle, those things provide an added stimulus.

If an economy is headed into a downward spiral…those things may help slow the decline…but inevitably the economy heads into the direction it is headed.

ECON 101.

Trump is damn lucky he is President during an upward cycle.

Econ 101 would tell you lowering taxes and regs is a fundamental way by which the govt can FORCE the economy to turn back around. The 2 scenarios you posted are absolutely not (in both theory and real life) the only 2 possibilities.

I mean hell, if the above were true, the big banks wouldn’t have needed a bailout, and the bailout they did receive would have merely slowed the fall, instead of causing a rebound like what actually happened.

Agreed.

Although, his lower taxes/regs moves would have done even better in a down economy.

I don’t know what you are saying here…but back to my original point.

We can agree to disagree.

When I see the overall plan that Trump and his Administration sat down and laid out to dramatically change the trajectory of the overall economy is when I will go online and purchase a “MAGA” hat…

Happy to. Just don’t think economic theory in ANY WAY is on your side here lol.

Have a good one!

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And it sure as Hell isn’t on Trump and his Minions side NEARLY as much as luck is…

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I think you guys are Both wrong.

According to Thomas Sowell, the Government can ONLY mess up the economy.

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Very intelligent guy, for sure…

While I certainly believe the Government can screw up the proverbial free lunch…I am not so pragmatic in believing that it’s influence is always negative on the economy.

(But I guess that is an entirely different thread…)

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Lol

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Like how I FORCE my kids to eat by not handcuffing them, and by not taking their food away.