2017 Predictions

[EyeDentist]

@zeb1

In every war that the US has ever been in we named our enemy and it absolutely did not harm us.

1. We are not ‘at war.’ That is rhetoric, not reality.
2. When we have been at war, it has always been with a named state. We have never been at war with an ideology.

@zeb1

We are not calling all Muslims terrorists. You do get that right? We are calling the enemy “Islamic terrorists.”

The terrorists do not represent Islam, but that is what you imply when you call them “Islamic terrorists.”

@zeb1

I wonder how much that lead to them thinking “JV team huh? We will show them.”

You’re suggesting ISIS was angered by Obama trash-talking? Now you’re the one treating them like a JV team.

@zeb1

So far he has never called our enemy by their name

What do you think would happen if he were to utter the magic words ‘Islamic terrorism’?

@zeb1

It worked then. It will work now.

We are being threatened by an ideology, not a state. And no one has ever beaten an ideology by means of arms alone. Put simply, you can’t kill an ideology.

@zeb1

We simply need a leader who has the resolve to kill these bastards. And I think we now have one.

I’m afraid we have one who will try…

[EyeDentist]

@zeb1

When the place is in a shambles these young Muslims will not be thinking it’s a good idea to fight with the USA. But they will be thinking about their neighbors and friends body parts that they had to step around.

Are you sure? Is that how you would react if an enemy destroyed your city, killed your friends and (forgive me) your family? Or, would you take a blood-oath to make the bastards pay for what they’d done to you and yours?

[zeb1]

@FlatsFarmer

A military “trial” and then a rope might cost the least, and give the benefit of sending a strong message.

I could not agree with you more!

[zeb1]

@EyeDentist

We are not ‘at war.’ That is rhetoric, not reality.
When we have been at war, it has always been with a named state. We have never been at war with an ideology.

We are at war my friend. Stop believing the lies of the left. How many Americans have to die before you “believe” we are at war?

Nazism was an ideology and we utterly destroyed it. And we did so by killing as many of them as we possibly could. Granted it was a state sponsored ideology but nonetheless that does not weaken my point

[quote]The terrorists do not represent Islam, but that is what you imply when you call them “Islamic terrorists.”
[/quote]

They may not “represent Islam” but that is what they are calling themselves. They are certainly not calling themselves Catholics, or non-denominational Christians are they? And they do keep hollering religious Muslim jargon as they attack (and before and after when able).

What should we call them?

Middle Eastern Gangsters?

No they are Islamic Terrorists and…the need to die.

What do you think would happen if he were to utter the magic words ‘Islamic terrorism’?

A better question is why hasn’t he uttered the name of our enemy? Odd isn’t it?

We are being threatened by an ideology, not a state. And no one has ever beaten an ideology by means of arms alone. Put simply, you can’t kill an ideology.

I respectfully disagree. Nazism was in fact an ideology. State sponsored yes, but still an ideology and we destroyed it. How many in the world call themselves Nazis today? Thank you United States Government and it’s allies!

I’m afraid we have one who will try…

Thank God because over the past 8 years we had one who DID NOT TRY.

Isis is about 40,000 strong. They drive around in pick-up trucks with machine guns. Yes, I know they are scattered about various regions I get it. But if you don’t think the US military could defeat them if they had a President who gave it his number one priority I simply must disagree.

By the way, how do you suppose we rid the world of these thugs? Bake them a cake and ask them to Jimmy’s 10th birthday party? “Love love love that’s all we really need…” How does that Beatles tune go? Eh it was before my time. You won’t hear me say that on very often

Seriously, you have been cutting down my ideas for several posts. I would genuinely love to hear how we rid the world of Isis and its imitators.

Please tell me you might have a take on it that I have never thought of.

[antiquity]

@zeb1

We are not calling all Muslims terrorists. You do get that right? We are calling the enemy “Islamic terrorists.” Hence, if you are Islamic and NOT a terrorist you are NOT our enemy. You don’t think they are bright enough to figure that out? Hmm…you might be discrediting them.

Huh? I can’t for the life of me follow this line of thinking.

I guess we’ll see soon enough when “Islamic terrorism” is thoughtfully and forcefully used by our next president. Or, more accurately, is tweeted out in incomplete sentences. Its impact will be oh-so-powerful when embedded in a string of tweets whose main theme is the criticism of recent Saturday Night Live skits.

[zeb1]

@EyeDentist

Are you sure? Is that how you would react if an enemy destroyed your city, killed your friends and (forgive me) your family? Or, would you take a blood-oath to make the bastards pay for what they’d done to you and yours?

It worked in Germany…TWICE. It also worked in Japan. But for some reason these folks well they are made of steal and nothing will break them. Nonsense.

I do not claim to be an expert in Psychology but I do know that when someone is crushed the last thing they want to do is continue to fight. after a tremendous beating right at the top of the list is not revenge. It’s more like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, the most important things: Food, water, rest and comfort. Every human being reacts to the same things. Fist fights, gun fights, war, it’s all the same. We must crush their will to the point where they feel some comfort when they are not being pummeled daily. Where they are simply looking for the basics in life, food, water, rest and air to breath.

The Islamic terrorists have not seen US military might. They’ve seen Obama’s version which as most know has been sorely lacking.

[zeb1]

@antiquity

Huh? I can’t for the life of me follow this line of thinking. [/quote]

Of course you follow this line of thinking you are a bright individual. You may not agree with it but you do understand.

Here you go: Catholics are good. Catholic Terrorists are bad. Baptists are good, Baptist terrorists are bad.

So you see if Joe is a Catholic and not a terrorist “I never harmed anyone in my life I love God and peace” says Joe. Then he is not whom we are speaking about when we say “Catholic Terrorists” are our enemy.

You didn’t need the above example. But you acted like you did so I gave it to you…

I guess we’ll see soon enough when “Islamic terrorism” is thoughtfully and forcefully used by our next president.

Yes, and if followed through with the proper plan in the right way with the proper leaders Islamic terrorism will be drastically reduced, or completely crushed. Probably faster than you might think.

[quote]Or, more accurately, is tweeted out in incomplete sentences. Its impact will be oh-so-powerful when embedded in a string of tweets whose main theme is the criticism of recent Saturday Night Live skits.

Yes…Trump tweets and for that he needs to be relentlessly ridiculed. Do you want to get in the long line of people who underestimated him.? Join the RNC, DNC, Clinton Machine, the MSL Media and 16 vanquished republican foes and underestimate him. No, you are a smart guy I don’t think you belong in that line.

Seriously, I am hoping and praying that Isis underestimates Trump. It will be the last stupid thing they ever do.

By the way I’d rather have a President who tweets in incomplete sentences than one who uses perfect grammar and makes one stupid move after another which emboldens our enemies, or as Obama had put it “The JV team”.

He is the real idiot because he has failed miserably!

[EyeDentist]

@zeb1

We are at war my friend. Stop believing the lies of the left. How many Americans have to die before you “believe” we are at war?

By your estimation, how many Americans have died in the current ‘war’?

@zeb1

Nazism was an ideology and we utterly destroyed it

We declared war on Germany, not Nazism. (You can check the historical record on that one if you’d like.) And we did not “utterly destroy” Nazism; it is alive and well today.

@zeb1

They may not “represent Islam” but that is what they are calling themselves.

I feel no obligation to call a terrorist by the nom de guerre of his choosing.

@zeb1

A better question is why hasn’t he uttered the name of our enemy? Odd isn’t it?

I have explained, in detail, why he doesn’t use the term ‘Islamic terrorism.’ Now it’s your turn to explain to us what would happen if he uttered the Magic Words.

@zeb1

But if you don’t think the US military could defeat them if they had a President who gave it his number one priority I simply must disagree.

You are, yet again, playing right into their hands. It is the fervent hope of ISIS that we will go over there and fight them, as this is a necessary component of their eschatology.

Allow me to explain. You may know that, until very recently, the name of the official magazine of ISIS was Dabiq. Why Dabiq? Well, Dabiq is the name of an unassuming city in Syria. It is of no great strategic importance, save one respect: According to ISIS’s reading of the Koran, it is at the city of Dabiq that the armies of Islam will defeat the armies of Rome (ie, the West), an event that will signal the onset of the Islamic Apocalypse, and culminate in the return of the Prophet.

So, if we put an army on the ground over there, it will ‘prove’ that ISIS’s eschatology is correct, and lend them even greater credence in the eyes of disenfranchised young Muslims the world over. It would be their greatest recruiting coup ever.

[antiquity]

@zeb1

Do you want to get in the long line of people who underestimated him.?

Yes, I have drastically underestimated Trump’s staying power. I thought he’d be out of politics early in the primaries.

Per your suggestion, I will now add him to the esteemed list of other things whose staying power I underestimated:

1. Justin Beiber
2. Cheez Whiz
3. Crocs
4. The Big Bang Theory sitcom
5. The McRib sandwich
6. Donald Trump

[Mufasa]

@antiquity

Yes, I have drastically underestimated Trump’s staying power. I thought he’d be out of politics early in the primaries.

Per your suggestion, I will now add him to the esteemed list of other things whose staying power I underestimated:

1. Justin Beiber 2) Cheez Whiz 3) Crocs 4) The Big Bang Theory sitcom 5) The McRib sandwich 6) Donald Trump

LOL!

Brilliant, antiquity!

[MoreMuscle]

holy shit if crocs can make it we all can.

[therajraj]

@antiquity

@zeb1

Do you want to get in the long line of people who underestimated him.?

Yes, I have drastically underestimated Trump’s staying power. I thought he’d be out of politics early in the primaries.

Per your suggestion, I will now add him to the esteemed list of other things whose staying power I underestimated:

1. Justin Beiber
2. Cheez Whiz
3. Crocs
4. The Big Bang Theory sitcom
5. The McRib sandwich
6. Donald Trump

The other 5 are only embarrassing if you were following these areas closely.

Some of the people doubting Trump have been following politics closely their whole adult life

[zeb1]

@EyeDentist

By your estimation, how many Americans have died in the current ‘war’?

I don’t know please tell me.

We declared war on Germany, not Nazism. (You can check the historical record on that one if you’d like.) And we did not “utterly destroy” Nazism; it is alive and well today

I agree we declared war on Germany. But it was the Nazis who were in charge. When Radical Islamic terrorists are doing as little harm to the US (and the world in general) as the 2017 Nazi party I will have no problem with them “surviving”.

I feel no obligation to call a terrorist by the nom de guerre of his choosing.

Okay, then just call them what they are: Islamic terrorists.

So, if we put an army on the ground over there, it will ‘prove’ that ISIS’s eschatology is correct, and lend them even greater credence in the eyes of disenfranchised young Muslims the world over. It would be their greatest recruiting coup ever.

Well, that was very interesting you are a very bright guy. But in the end if we do not fight them and they continue to kill us tell me what the answer is. I think I asked you this before. It seems that fighting them is as you say “exactly what they want us to do”. Calling them out by name is “exactly what they want us to do”.

So you agree with Obama we should do nothing because apparently they really DO NOT want us to do nothing. Ha ha okay that just tickled me. But it seems that is his strategy which you agree with.

So explain what we should do my friend I am all ears and eyes.

[zeb1]

@antiquity

Per your suggestion, I will now add him to the esteemed list of other things whose staying power I underestimated:

1. Justin Beiber2) Cheez Whiz3) Crocs4) The Big Bang Theory sitcom5) The McRib sandwich6) Donald Trump

When anyone of those on your above list defeats the long list of opponents which I previously named you can then compare Trump to those on the list. Until then Trump stands alone. I’ve been following (and been involved) in this stuff for decades and I have never seen a phenomenon like Donald Trump. Yes, he is buffoonish, a bragger, a twister of the truth at times. And many more undesirable things. But for the life of me he keeps rolling along like General Patton’s 1st army mowing over everyone and everything that gets in his way.

Do I like the guys personality? Hell no! But I do have to take a step back and give him his due for what he has accomplished. You do realize nothing like this has ever been done before in Presidential politics. Nothing even close!

So, maybe he will tweet himself out and have a nervous breakdown and resign. But something tells me otherwise. Something tells me that he is the one who will cause others to have nervous breakdowns. Something tells me we might be dealing with a strange political personality who more than likely is smarter than he appears. And has popped on the scene at just the right time and will continue to succeed, maybe not as you and I would want him to. But, nonetheless he will keep winning. Am I wrong? Time will tell. But until I see for my own eyes this giant persona falling down in political battle repeatedly I will continue to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. This is something that I never gave him when he entered the political fray and I’m not making that mistake again.

You can think what you wish.

[EyeDentist]

@zeb1

So you agree with Obama we should do nothing because apparently they really DO NOT want us to do nothing. Ha ha okay that just tickled me. But it seems that is his strategy which you agree with.

10,000 air strikes. 26,000 ISIS dead under our blade. Hardly ‘doing nothing,’ I’d say.

@zeb1

So explain what we should do my friend I am all ears and eyes.

Going forward: Continue our strategy of air-based decapitation and degradation. Choke their supply lines and financial network. Support the ground activities of indigenous actors. Why? Because it’s working.

For example: You may have noted that I said the name of the ISIS propaganda mag was Dabiq “until very recently.” That’s because they have of late changed its name to Rumiyah (‘Rome’). Why? Because much to their great chagrin, they recently lost control of the city of Dabiq. We (the US) provided air support as various rebel groups (some of which are of the unsavory sort, unfortunately) drove ISIS out of the city that is at the heart of their reason for existing.

[zeb1]

@EyeDentist

10,000 air strikes. 26,000 ISIS dead under our blade. Hardly ‘doing nothing,’ I’d say.

You are right he has done something. But not nearly enough to win huh? So should he just keep doing “not enough”?

Going forward: Continue our strategy of air-based decapitation and degradation. Choke their supply lines and financial network. Support the ground activities of indigenous actors. Why? Because it’s working.

For example: You may have noted that I said the name of the ISIS propaganda mag was Dabiq “until very recently.” That’s because they have of late changed its name to Rumiyah (‘Rome’). Why? Because much to their great chagrin, they recently lost control of the city of Dabiq. We (the US) provided air support as various rebel groups (some of which are of the unsavory sort, unfortunately) drove ISIS out of the city that is at the heart of their reason for existing

You saying basically stay the course and eventually…what? We win? We just keep doing this until…when?

It seems that this should have been over a few years after it began. The slow trickle of troops and air strikes does not seem to be stopping them, or even slowing them down. What it does do is embolden them to continue the fight. After all, they are taking on the US military and fighting to a draw. Now THAT is what will recruit more lunatic Islamic terrorists.

[antiquity]

@zeb1

After all, they are taking on the US military and fighting to a draw. Now THAT is what will recruit more lunatic Islamic terrorists.

The US kills 15,000 ISIS for every 1 american soldier killed. This was reported by The Independent (a UK source).

If that’s your definition of a draw, a guess you found the Clemson vs. Ohio State college football game a nail biter.

[EyeDentist]

@zeb1

You are right he has done something. But not nearly enough to win huh? So should he just keep doing “not enough”?

How do you define ‘win’ in this situation? This is very important, so please do answer.

@zeb1

You saying basically stay the course and eventually…what? We win? We just keep doing this until…when?

Eventually, once we have sufficiently degraded their command hierarchy and choked off their logistical support, ISIS will no longer be able to field an effective fighting force in ‘the Levant,’ and will dissolve.

But–and this is key–we will never completely eliminate the death-cult ideology underlying ISIS via military action. It’s been said before, but it bears repeating: One cannot defeat an ideology with guns, only with ideas.

[Mufasa]

@EyeDentist

“…10,000 air strikes. 26,000 ISIS dead under our blade. Hardly ‘doing nothing,’ I’d say…”

EyeDentist:

I gave up when it was apparent that there are many people who truly believe…and I mean TRULY believe…that if they don’t see daily C-5 flights to Dover carrying the bodies of America’s best and brightest…or don’t see them fighting and dying on the nightly news…then we are doing “nothing”.

I’ll never understand that.

[MaximusB]

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I predict Biden keeps getting skunked with the kids