2015 NFL Season

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I stated the same thing about the depth above. I would have let McCourty walk. Yes he is a good safety, but I would rather have Revis. There was room, they let a few guys walk. Browner, Vereen, Ridley, Wilfork. There would have been a ton of restructuring, but the reason they didn’t win Super Bowls in the past was because of pass defense. Look I understand and can fully appreciate the fact that they want depth and continuity and not break the budget. But Brady’s window is closing, I would like to see him get 1 or 2 more. Sorry Bradley Fletcher ain’t doing it for me. Logan Ryan, along with Kyle Arrington both should have been cut at halftime of the Super Bowl

I’m not a capologist, they are smart with their spending, never blowing it out , letting a guy go one year too early and usually I agree. But this is the guy you need. First division problems right?

Was at the opening night game, Solder plays too high and picked up 25 yards in penalties in the first half.

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[quote]HeyWaj10 wrote:
Totally the emotion I want to see out of my starting quarterback…such a leader![/quote]

Napolean Dynamite moment

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[quote]BCFlynn wrote:
I stated the same thing about the depth above. I would have let McCourty walk. Yes he is a good safety, but I would rather have Revis. There was room, they let a few guys walk. Browner, Vereen, Ridley, Wilfork. There would have been a ton of restructuring, but the reason they didn’t win Super Bowls in the past was because of pass defense. Look I understand and can fully appreciate the fact that they want depth and continuity and not break the budget. But Brady’s window is closing, I would like to see him get 1 or 2 more. Sorry Bradley Fletcher ain’t doing it for me. Logan Ryan, along with Kyle Arrington both should have been cut at halftime of the Super Bowl

I’m not a capologist, they are smart with their spending, never blowing it out , letting a guy go one year too early and usually I agree. But this is the guy you need. First division problems right?

Was at the opening night game, Solder plays too high and picked up 25 yards in penalties in the first half. [/quote]

The numbers don’t make sense. Let’s say they let McCourty walk AND they don’t extend Solder. Cap savings? A paltry 7.8 million for 2015. They then still need to find 7.2 million in cap space. So, keeping Revis means losing McCourty, not extending Solder, and still having to find 7.2 million more. Or 7.2 million in restructuring, which would mean less cap space in future years. 7.2 million is roughly not signing Chandler, Sheard, freeny, and finding another 1-3 million in cap room. No, not world beaters, but important depth.

Overall, the cost was too great. Revis is phenomenal, no doubt about it, however you can’t sacrifice so much of your roster for one guy.

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ALL these numbers are on the assumption of MATCHING the Jets offer. Given that the Jets salary cap wise could have afforded probably anywhere from a 19-21 million cap hit and how bad they wanted Revis, surely they would have spent an extra million or so more to get him. The numbers just don’t add up.

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[quote]daltron wrote:

[quote]BCFlynn wrote:
I stated the same thing about the depth above. I would have let McCourty walk. Yes he is a good safety, but I would rather have Revis. There was room, they let a few guys walk. Browner, Vereen, Ridley, Wilfork. There would have been a ton of restructuring, but the reason they didn’t win Super Bowls in the past was because of pass defense. Look I understand and can fully appreciate the fact that they want depth and continuity and not break the budget. But Brady’s window is closing, I would like to see him get 1 or 2 more. Sorry Bradley Fletcher ain’t doing it for me. Logan Ryan, along with Kyle Arrington both should have been cut at halftime of the Super Bowl

I’m not a capologist, they are smart with their spending, never blowing it out , letting a guy go one year too early and usually I agree. But this is the guy you need. First division problems right?

Was at the opening night game, Solder plays too high and picked up 25 yards in penalties in the first half. [/quote]

The numbers don’t make sense. Let’s say they let McCourty walk AND they don’t extend Solder. Cap savings? A paltry 7.8 million for 2015. They then still need to find 7.2 million in cap space. So, keeping Revis means losing McCourty, not extending Solder, and still having to find 7.2 million more. Or 7.2 million in restructuring, which would mean less cap space in future years. 7.2 million is roughly not signing Chandler, Sheard, freeny, and finding another 1-3 million in cap room. No, not world beaters, but important depth.

Overall, the cost was too great. Revis is phenomenal, no doubt about it, however you can’t sacrifice so much of your roster for one guy.

EDIT

ALL these numbers are on the assumption of MATCHING the Jets offer. Given that the Jets salary cap wise could have afforded probably anywhere from a 19-21 million cap hit and how bad they wanted Revis, surely they would have spent an extra million or so more to get him. The numbers just don’t add up.

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What was Revis’s option that the Pats declined to pick up? I want to say it was $14M or around that which was already built into the cap from what I remember … They COULD have exercised the option BUT they would have had to renegotiate or let loose some free agents and other contracts (even though Wilfork left regardless). Again, this is from what I remember and my numbers might be off - Either way Arrington was a goner and I don’t think they were interested in resigning Browner …

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Restructuring doesn’t necessarily mean less future cap room. The cap is going to rise in 2016. You can completely restructure a contract, where the player makes more money with smaller cap hit. You can restructure where a player takes a pay cut to help sign a certain player, but gets more guaranteed money.

I just wanted to clarify that restructuring doesn’t necessarily mean less future cap room.

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Here is a perfect example of what I was describing.

The cap is expected to rise around $4 million next season

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Plus the amount the team is under the cap this season is carried over to next season. The salary cap in the NFL is not a hard cap.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]daltron wrote:

[quote]BCFlynn wrote:
I stated the same thing about the depth above. I would have let McCourty walk. Yes he is a good safety, but I would rather have Revis. There was room, they let a few guys walk. Browner, Vereen, Ridley, Wilfork. There would have been a ton of restructuring, but the reason they didn’t win Super Bowls in the past was because of pass defense. Look I understand and can fully appreciate the fact that they want depth and continuity and not break the budget. But Brady’s window is closing, I would like to see him get 1 or 2 more. Sorry Bradley Fletcher ain’t doing it for me. Logan Ryan, along with Kyle Arrington both should have been cut at halftime of the Super Bowl

I’m not a capologist, they are smart with their spending, never blowing it out , letting a guy go one year too early and usually I agree. But this is the guy you need. First division problems right?

Was at the opening night game, Solder plays too high and picked up 25 yards in penalties in the first half. [/quote]

The numbers don’t make sense. Let’s say they let McCourty walk AND they don’t extend Solder. Cap savings? A paltry 7.8 million for 2015. They then still need to find 7.2 million in cap space. So, keeping Revis means losing McCourty, not extending Solder, and still having to find 7.2 million more. Or 7.2 million in restructuring, which would mean less cap space in future years. 7.2 million is roughly not signing Chandler, Sheard, freeny, and finding another 1-3 million in cap room. No, not world beaters, but important depth.

Overall, the cost was too great. Revis is phenomenal, no doubt about it, however you can’t sacrifice so much of your roster for one guy.

EDIT

ALL these numbers are on the assumption of MATCHING the Jets offer. Given that the Jets salary cap wise could have afforded probably anywhere from a 19-21 million cap hit and how bad they wanted Revis, surely they would have spent an extra million or so more to get him. The numbers just don’t add up.

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What was Revis’s option that the Pats declined to pick up? I want to say it was $14M or around that which was already built into the cap from what I remember … They COULD have exercised the option BUT they would have had to renegotiate or let loose some free agents and other contracts (even though Wilfork left regardless). Again, this is from what I remember and my numbers might be off - Either way Arrington was a goner and I don’t think they were interested in resigning Browner …[/quote]

Not 14 million, 20 million. Not picking up the option: 5 million dead money, picking up the option: 25 million cap hit. WAY too much for one player. The entire deal was setup so that A) the patriots couldn’t franchise him after a 1 year deal and B) that Revis would get a brand new deal after his first year since no non-QB is worth a 25 million cap hit.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
Restructuring doesn’t necessarily mean less future cap room. The cap is going to rise in 2016. You can completely restructure a contract, where the player makes more money with smaller cap hit. You can restructure where a player takes a pay cut to help sign a certain player, but gets more guaranteed money.

I just wanted to clarify that restructuring doesn’t necessarily mean less future cap room.[/quote]

No, it doesn’t nessecarily mean future cap room, but there is a difference between freeing up a couple million and freeing up 14 million. No one is going to free up around 14 million without using future cap space.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
Here is a perfect example of what I was describing.

The cap is expected to rise around $4 million next season[/quote]

Did you READ the article you just posted? That is NOT an example of what you described…

2015 Cap Space Freed: 2.4 million

The Cowboys turned 4.5 million in base salary into a 3.6 million bonus and a 900K base salary in 2015…

2016 Cap Space Added: 1.2 million
2017 Cap Space Added: 1.2 million

They freed 2.4 million in 2015 and added that SAME amount spread over 2016 and 2017…

HENCE FREEING UP CAP SPACE BY ADDING MONEY TO FUTURE CAP YEARS…

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
Plus the amount the team is under the cap this season is carried over to next season. The salary cap in the NFL is not a hard cap.[/quote]

Yes, the amount saved is carried over and the salary cap is projected to raise 6.7+ million, however most competitive teams A) are already within a few million of the cap ceiling and B) contracts are usually distributed in upward waves.

Regardless, none of that applies to picking up an option for THIS cap year.

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John football NOT starting sunday vs the raiders. Im ok with it, he has a lot to still learn so sitting isnt going to hurt anything, but atleast he got some confidence playing. (although i think confidence is his last problem, and he needs to be humbled on a daily basis. IE. If im Joe Thomes, or Alex Mack, manziel is bringing in donuts and picking up dry cleaning everyday)

At some point we’ll need to figure what he can do, but he’s not exactly going anywhere as a free agent.

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[quote]daltron wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
Here is a perfect example of what I was describing.

The cap is expected to rise around $4 million next season[/quote]

Did you READ the article you just posted? That is NOT an example of what you described…

2015 Cap Space Freed: 2.4 million

The Cowboys turned 4.5 million in base salary into a 3.6 million bonus and a 900K base salary in 2015…

2016 Cap Space Added: 1.2 million
2017 Cap Space Added: 1.2 million

They freed 2.4 million in 2015 and added that SAME amount spread over 2016 and 2017…

HENCE FREEING UP CAP SPACE BY ADDING MONEY TO FUTURE CAP YEARS…[/quote]

I understand what your saying. We are looking at it differently. The Cowboys were barely under the cap after adding Cassel. They restructured Witten’s contract to free up 2.something this year. So lets say they are 2 million under right now. That carries over to next year. Next year cap + 2million - 1.2 million (Witten’s added hit) = .8 million more room under the cap without adding in the cap increase.

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My whole point was that you can restructure contracts without decreasing your cap room in future years. But, like you said, it isn’t 14 million in movement.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]daltron wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
Here is a perfect example of what I was describing.

The cap is expected to rise around $4 million next season[/quote]

Did you READ the article you just posted? That is NOT an example of what you described…

2015 Cap Space Freed: 2.4 million

The Cowboys turned 4.5 million in base salary into a 3.6 million bonus and a 900K base salary in 2015…

2016 Cap Space Added: 1.2 million
2017 Cap Space Added: 1.2 million

They freed 2.4 million in 2015 and added that SAME amount spread over 2016 and 2017…

HENCE FREEING UP CAP SPACE BY ADDING MONEY TO FUTURE CAP YEARS…[/quote]

I understand what your saying. We are looking at it differently. The Cowboys were barely under the cap after adding Cassel. They restructured Witten’s contract to free up 2.something this year. So lets say they are 2 million under right now. That carries over to next year. Next year cap + 2million - 1.2 million (Witten’s added hit) = .8 million more room under the cap without adding in the cap increase.
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OK, I see what you are getting at. Still, hard to figure on that cap room still being there at the end of the season (if someone has to go on IR and they have to add depth, etc).

Regardless, not saying this specifically to you, there was no way the Pats could have picked up the Revis option and taken a 25 million 2015 cap hit.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
John football NOT starting sunday vs the raiders. Im ok with it, he has a lot to still learn so sitting isnt going to hurt anything, but atleast he got some confidence playing. (although i think confidence is his last problem, and he needs to be humbled on a daily basis. IE. If im Joe Thomes, or Alex Mack, manziel is bringing in donuts and picking up dry cleaning everyday)

At some point we’ll need to figure what he can do, but he’s not exactly going anywhere as a free agent. [/quote]

I like him sitting, yeah. I just feel bad for the kid. 2nd year in the league and already on his second offensive coordinator and second (and woefully lacking in experience) QB coach.

Most young QB’s need continuity and to sit and no one wants to give it to them. Even Shanahan said he wasn’t ready to start and the front office (which should never make the call) tabs Johnny and Shanahan quits. Lots of dysfunction still in Clevland.

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[quote]daltron wrote:
I just feel bad for the kid.
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umm, not even close. Dude is a spoiled trust fund baby who has never worked a hard day in his life. He pissed all over the team, and his opportunity last year so i have ZERO sympathy for him.

I like Mike Pettine, but i think his inexperience is allowing the front office knuckleheads to get in his ear, but he’s figuring it out. The owner is a chump, who i’d bet money ordered the manziel pick, and is probably pushing for him to start. Pettine is doing what’s best to win games, while i think the front office is more concerned with hype and being on espn.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]daltron wrote:
I just feel bad for the kid.
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umm, not even close. Dude is a spoiled trust fund baby who has never worked a hard day in his life. He pissed all over the team, and his opportunity last year so i have ZERO sympathy for him.

I like Mike Pettine, but i think his inexperience is allowing the front office knuckleheads to get in his ear, but he’s figuring it out. The owner is a chump, who i’d bet money ordered the manziel pick, and is probably pushing for him to start. Pettine is doing what’s best to win games, while i think the front office is more concerned with hype and being on espn. [/quote]

I guess I should rephrase that: I feel bad for QB’s who are put in that situation as it pertains to football.

As for Johnny Football the person, I just see what everyone else sees online. Don’t know the kid.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
JJ Watt might have something to say about the best defensive player in league.
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And DT-Aaron Donald in just a few more years.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
John football NOT starting sunday vs the raiders. Im ok with it, he has a lot to still learn so sitting isnt going to hurt anything, but atleast he got some confidence playing. (although i think confidence is his last problem, and he needs to be humbled on a daily basis. IE. If im Joe Thomes, or Alex Mack, manziel is bringing in donuts and picking up dry cleaning everyday)

At some point we’ll need to figure what he can do, but he’s not exactly going anywhere as a free agent. [/quote]

I look at checking ones self into rehab about as humbling as it can get for a person.
Isn’t that admitting to yourself that you might have a problem and asking for help?

Taking it upon yourself to stop doing a celebration tactic that some saw as show boating, isn’t showing humility?