[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Gonna be a long year in NE I think…
Can’t block shit, Brady looks like he’s lost it, and the D looks worse than it did last year… Yea![/quote]
As a Bills fan I’d be quite pleased if the Pats had a shit year. But thats not gonna happen. Belichek is too good. will have that ship turned around in a hurry.
Bills made beating the bears look hard. Offence is awful. Manuel is still being coddled. Next week vs miami gonna be a punt fest.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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I understand your basic sentiment, but I couldn’t disagree more. The NFL is a private entity, the Ravens are a private entity, and the issue really boils down to this: it isn’t about whether or not Ray Rice should be able to play football in the NFL again; it is about whether or not the NFL or any team should be forced to accept a piece of shit like him on their team.
The NFL is violating no right of RIce’s by permanently banning him. They aren’t hampering his ability to play professional football, only professional football in the NFL.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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I wouldn’t legally ban him from earning a living any more than anyone else who committed a similar crime, and he obviously can’t work while he does time in jail–which he deserves to do.
From the league’s perspective, they are in the entertainment business, and they will either let him work or not let him work depending on whether they think he will be a net loss or net asset. If the court of public opinion remains against him and the league determines they are better off without him, I don’t have a problem with them–as a business–not letting him work. What he needs to do is earn a shot at redemption if he wants to work again. If the public thinks he’s redeemed himself, he’ll probably get to play again. That’s the way the entertainment business works.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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Agreed.[/quote]
I also think its worth considering that as his future wife there will be a signigicant cost to HER for him to loose that contract. Getting knocked out is costing her her share of a couple million bucks. This is a white knight fail. The court will punish the man. NFL should butt out.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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I wouldn’t legally ban him from earning a living any more than anyone else who committed a similar crime, and he obviously can’t work while he does time in jail–which he deserves to do.
From the league’s perspective, they are in the entertainment business, and they will either let him work or not let him work depending on whether they think he will be a net loss or net asset. If the court of public opinion remains against him and the league determines they are better off without him, I don’t have a problem with them–as a business–not letting him work. What he needs to do is earn a shot at redemption if he wants to work again. If the public thinks he’s redeemed himself, he’ll probably get to play again. That’s the way the entertainment business works. [/quote]
Am I the only one cynical enough to think that had this happened prior to his flop of last season that the reaction by the team might have been different?
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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Agreed.[/quote]
I also think its worth considering that as his future wife there will be a signigicant cost to HER for him to loose that contract. Getting knocked out is costing her her share of a couple million bucks. This is a white knight fail. The court will punish the man. NFL should butt out.[/quote]
The league will do whatever they think will make them the most money as an organization. The NFL os in the entertainment business and can’t ignore public opinion.
Hey Derek, you know the best part about that game, right? The crowd was at least 60% 49ers fans.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Derek, you know the best part about that game, right? The crowd was at least 60% 49ers fans.[/quote]
Jesus, I saw that. I’m not sure about 60%, but, wow.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Derek, you know the best part about that game, right? The crowd was at least 60% 49ers fans.[/quote]
Jesus, I saw that. I’m not sure about 60%, but, wow. [/quote]
You’re right. 60% was way too conservative.
If the NFL hasnt showed precedence of allowing players return after committing acts of violence, negligence, criminality I would agree however If I were Ray Rice, I would almost assuredly sue, if I werent allowed to play in the league anymore after this year.
Even though a private entity, The NFL and the Ravens surely have to abide by Department of Labor Laws. Could Ray Rice and the players Union use this to get him back? I am unsure, I dont know enough about it, However IMO the idea of precedence holds true no matter what the entity is.
The below link is pretty interesting
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Derek, don’t you owe me an avatar now? I thought this one would be appropriate. [/quote]
You are correct sir.
But please refresh my memory on time frames etc and what the bet was exactly. Cause my memory is failing in my old age.
Plus Bandwagon fans dont count DB, you should know that.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Derek, don’t you owe me an avatar now? I thought this one would be appropriate. [/quote]
You are correct sir.
But please refresh my memory on time frames etc and what the bet was exactly. Cause my memory is failing in my old age.
Plus Bandwagon fans dont count DB, you should know that. [/quote]
Bandwagon fans? Nah, there’s just a ton of cash in Silicon Valley right now and everyone there who grew up with the Niners is now flush with it. So they don’t go to the home games only, they go to ALL the games. The same thing happens sometimes with the SF Giants. The fans have outnumbered the home fans in San Diego and Colorado for the last several years. It’s pretty much always been that way in SD.
I think the terms were for a month. Any avatar of my choice. I don’t remember the details, but those are the standard terms for any avatar bet I make, so I would assume that was what our arrangement was.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Derek, don’t you owe me an avatar now? I thought this one would be appropriate. [/quote]
You are correct sir.
But please refresh my memory on time frames etc and what the bet was exactly. Cause my memory is failing in my old age.
Plus Bandwagon fans dont count DB, you should know that. [/quote]
Bandwagon fans? Nah, there’s just a ton of cash in Silicon Valley right now and everyone there who grew up with the Niners is now flush with it. So they don’t go to the home games only, they go to ALL the games. The same thing happens sometimes with the SF Giants. The fans have outnumbered the home fans in San Diego and Colorado for the last several years. It’s pretty much always been that way in SD.
I think the terms were for a month. Any avatar of my choice. I don’t remember the details, but those are the standard terms for any avatar bet I make, so I would assume that was what our arrangement was.[/quote]
I figured for a month. Fucking rich people traveling messing up our stadium.
I dont see how I could have bet just a straight win loss. I would not have picked the Cowboys over the 49rs after last years Defense. But Meh I changed it.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
The Ray Rice video is out on TMZ today. What a piece of shit. [/quote]
Two games?[/quote]
More than that now. He’s done in the NFL is my guess.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
If the NFL hasnt showed precedence of allowing players return after committing acts of violence, negligence, criminality I would agree however If I were Ray Rice, I would almost assuredly sue, if I werent allowed to play in the league anymore after this year.
Even though a private entity, The NFL and the Ravens surely have to abide by Department of Labor Laws. Could Ray Rice and the players Union use this to get him back? I am unsure, I dont know enough about it, However IMO the idea of precedence holds true no matter what the entity is.
The below link is pretty interesting
I completely spaced and forgot there was a CBA (“collective bargaining agreement”). He’s going to have rights under the CBA so, ya, there’s that.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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Agreed.[/quote]
He should be allowed to play, but I don’t thing he’ll get another shot anytime soon.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Derek, don’t you owe me an avatar now? I thought this one would be appropriate. [/quote]
You are correct sir.
But please refresh my memory on time frames etc and what the bet was exactly. Cause my memory is failing in my old age.
Plus Bandwagon fans dont count DB, you should know that. [/quote]
Bandwagon fans? Nah, there’s just a ton of cash in Silicon Valley right now and everyone there who grew up with the Niners is now flush with it. So they don’t go to the home games only, they go to ALL the games. The same thing happens sometimes with the SF Giants. The fans have outnumbered the home fans in San Diego and Colorado for the last several years. It’s pretty much always been that way in SD.
I think the terms were for a month. Any avatar of my choice. I don’t remember the details, but those are the standard terms for any avatar bet I make, so I would assume that was what our arrangement was.[/quote]
I figured for a month. Fucking rich people traveling messing up our stadium.
I dont see how I could have bet just a straight win loss. I would not have picked the Cowboys over the 49rs after last years Defense. But Meh I changed it.[/quote]
That avatar looks so fucking gay. But it looks good on you.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Let me preface that I do not condone hitting a female unless absolutely necessary, and firmly believe that Rice should be punished for what he did and it was a heinous act.
Lets say hypothetically and everything leading up to this point pointed to the idea that Rice was a good guy and a good person. Does this negate everything now, does he get a second chance? Does he deserve a second chance?
As much as I am playing devils advocate here I do believe that Rice should be allowed to play football again, not this year but I do not believe he should be banned for life or something to that effect. Especially with the amount of degenerates and criminals that are allowed to play football, it would be hypocritical…
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Agreed.[/quote]
He should be allowed to play, but I don’t thing he’ll get another shot anytime soon.[/quote]
I think Rice’s biggest problem is the way this video was basically hidden, and the lack of justice from the legal system. Because a victim of abuse did what they commonly do, which is defend their abuser, he ended up getting off way light, and that reflects on him and fuels the anger others will have. He made his teammates and other players around the league look foolish for standing literally and figuratively behind him because they believed(in ignorance) that perhaps there was some truth to the tale being weaved about the mythical ‘elevator video.’
Well now that video is out and it’s even worse than I think most thought it would be. Rice doesn’t even get touched, and punches the woman twice in the face, then stares at her unconscious body on the ground with no regard for what he may have just done. He doesn’t bend over to look at her at all, not for signs of life and consciousness, not for a gash on the head from his blows or the fall into a metal railing and the floor, he just waits for the doors to open. Nobody wants to hire or play with a person who will not only commit those acts, but try to hide it and hide from the consequences, and let a woman he now calls his wife continue to lower and degrade herself defending him.
It’s not just about ‘second chances’ and how other criminals have gotten them. Ray Rice just became the modern face of domestic violence and abuse against women not just because he hit one, but because of the entire way it played out. He will be incredibly lucky to find an owner, a GM, coaches, and teammates, who are willing to overlook the ordeal as a whole and accept him as part of their organization.
There have been players with less stardom than Rice who have arguably done worse (i.e. Donte Stallworth, Leonard Little) and they didnt become the faces for their negligent disregard of human life. My point is not will he get a second chance, my point is he should get a second chance, as the NFL allows this time and time again.
