I’ve said this on another thread.
While it may be a tall order; Romney has to come up with a “Grand Vision/Plan”. If he simply recites Tax Cuts and Supply-Side Economics as that “Grand Vision”…I think that he’ll be “dead in the water” in terms of the Debates.
And as you guys know…I think turnout WILL be the key to a Romney win.
If the 2010, Mid-Term, “TeaPublican” fire is not there; then the President Wins.
If it IS there; Romney Wins.
Simple. (To use a “Zeb-ism”!)
Mufasa
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
While I’m not going so far as saying that Romney’s problems are “media created”; I am also not letting conservatives off the hook for how they have portrayed Romney, Zeb.
The 2012 GOP Primary was brutal. And much of what I’ve seen the DEM SuperPacs and Obama Campaign use come right out of the Gingrich/Bachmann/Santorum Playbook. From Gingrich’s “Bain Capital” film to Santorum’s blistering public critiques of Romney.[/quote]
Which isn’t an indictment against Conservatives. It’s indictment against those who didn’t heed the warning. Those attacks were always going to be hurled Romney’s way. By a guy, and his supporters, with a hell of a lot more resources and money. Gingrich and Santorum have jack to do with Romney’s public image. This is the only image he was EVER going to have. From his time at Bain, to his out of touch ultra wealthy persona, to his taxes. The Dems (and the media) were armed and ready for a Romney victory. Gingrich and Santorum, with scant resources, only asked primary voters “Are you sure this is the guy? Here’s what he’ll face against Obama and the media.”
Gingrich and Santorum have no part in Romney’s present troubles. He was never going to be able to escape the stiff, self-entitled, low tax paying Wall Street raider, who wants to throw granny out of the nursing home to live off of cat food, image. Ever. Santorum and Gingrich, with their scant resources combined, barely even managed to offer a preview for primary voters. Romney was never going to win most likeable. Ever. He better go fast and hard at Obama on matters economic during this debate. He better convince them that they need to face the financial cliff rapidly approaching, and that they need to do it NOW. That, great, they like Obama better because he’s so dreamily inspirational. But they need someone who’ll do an accounting on that bloated thing in DC. A thing threatening to shackle their children to a miserable burden (entitlement obligations with absolutely no way of being met) and a failed state. [/quote]
Two Questions, Sloth:
With this kind of Conservative sentiment…you are expecting Liberals to Vote against the President? AND
What does the “MSLM” have to do with this perception of Romney, if Conservatives have no part in it?
Mufasa
One last point:
I think that the President and his Team would have LOVED to run against either Gingrich or Santorum.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I was never expecting LIBERALS to vote against the President.
What have you heard more of lately? Romeny’s taxes, or Fast and Furious? The President’s failed green investments, or Romney’s quip about the 47%? Romney’s ‘rushed’ statement about the embassy/consulate attacks, or the Administration’s narrative (not planned, spontaneous attack due to video) which is now falling apart? Oh, you’ll see more of the last. Now that Fox and conservative media have blown it apart, putting the MSM into a journalistic guilt trip.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
One last point:
I think that the President and his Team would have LOVED to run against either Gingrich or Santorum.
Mufasa[/quote]
I don’t.
(Sloth…for some reason, I thought you had me on ignore…I’m glad you don’t…)
I don’t know what everybody else watches; but I’ve heard plenty about all that you’ve mentioned.
Granted; I tend to get a somewhat broader spectrum of news (including FOX); and I tend to ignore “pudits” and nightime “Scream Fest” (both Left and Right) like the plague; so maybe I have a skewed view of things.
Mufasa
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What have you heard more of lately? Romeny’s taxes, or Fast and Furious? The President’s failed green investments, or Romney’s quip about the 47%? Romney’s ‘rushed’ statement about the embassy/consulate attacks, or the Administration’s narrative (not planned, spontaneous attack due to video) which is now falling apart? [/quote]
BINGO!
And this is the part that Mufasa hates admitting. It was a mugging from the outset. Obama can do no wrong and Romney can do no right.
If the media was simply fair Romney would be up by about 10 points right now.
Once again what in the hell has Obama done so well that he deserves reelection?
The media NEVER asks that question and the electorate are sheep who are doing as they’re are told.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
(Sloth…for some reason, I thought you had me on ignore…I’m glad you don’t…)
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Nope, didn’t put you on ignore.
Too bad Romney can’t let Gingrich pinch hit for him in the debates.
Bingo?
No.
It seems to me that what you guys are arguing is to what degree a Media Outlet trumps the negatives of someone with whom you don’t agree.
In this case, you BET I agree that “FOX” hammers the President like no other outlet, with very little,(if anything), to say positive about him.
Now…let’s take, say, “CBSNews”. No…they don’t hammer the President to the degree that “FOX” does…not even close. But they also don’t hammer at Romney incessantly.
And they most CERTAINLY don’t ignore the President’s slips. If I’m not mistaken, “Fast and Furious” was brought to light as the result of a CBS investigative report.
Mufasa
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Too bad Romney can’t let Gingrich pinch hit for him in the debates.[/quote]
Very few can match Gingrich’s debate skills, especially when it comes to Government.
Mufasa
Or dominant and confident demeanor to boot. He would have left Obama in a mangled bloody heap on the platform. (figuratively speaking of course) Too bad we’ll never see it.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Too bad Romney can’t let Gingrich pinch hit for him in the debates.[/quote]
Romney is a far better debater than Newt Gingrich. The only time that he grabbed attention was when he was grand standing with 6 or 7 other candidates. That type of show boating won’t work in a one on one debate with a moderator who tightly holds control.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Bingo?
No.
It seems to me that what you guys are arguing is to what degree a Media Outlet trumps the negatives of someone with whom you don’t agree.
In this case, you BET I agree that “FOX” hammers the President like no other outlet, with very little,(if anything), to say positive about him.
Now…let’s take, say, “CBSNews”. No…they don’t hammer the President to the degree that “FOX” does…not even close. But they also don’t hammer at Romney incessantly.
And they most CERTAINLY don’t ignore the President’s slips. If I’m not mistaken, “Fast and Furious” was brought to light as the result of a CBS investigative report.
Mufasa
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Oh stop it. Romney’s “47% tape” was talked about endlessly by the MSLM. But what about Obama’s “I believe in redistribution” tape? Played by FOX News and that’s just about it. Romney has my respect I don’t know how he can go out each day and campaign knowing that the MSLM is just waiting for any little slip of the tongue and they will pounce. Obama on the other hand can say just about anything he wants and no one says anything…except possibly FOX.
PUUUUULEEEZZZE!
When it comes to this, Zeb…we have entirely different perceptions (and I watch both “Fox” and obviously “CBS”).
Eliminate the pundits, “Talk-shows-that-maquarade-as-News” and “Nighttime Scream Fest”, (all of which I tend to avoid)…and this bias that you see boils down (IMO) to the degree of incessant coverage of the negatives of someone you disagree with.
“Fox” incessantly hammers the President 24-7; “CBS” does not incessantly hammer Romney.
We’ll not change minds; so let’s just continue to agree to disagree.
Mufasa
(P.S. One thing that I will be watching closely with a Romney win is the “Fox” coverage of him).
I think Romney could have mitigated a lot of the damage very easily by explaining what he meant. Even if Obama has declared war on the top 1% than Romney has declared war on 47% and if the only criteria for voting Obama is not paying taxes then it will be the biggest land slide in history . All the people I know voting Obama are college educated and tax payers .The irony is the people I know voting Romney either work for the Government or are retired or disabled or on welfare , fucking amazing
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
When it comes to this, Zeb…we have entirely different perceptions (and I watch both “Fox” and obviously “CBS”).
Eliminate the pundits, “Talk-shows-that-maquarade-as-News” and “Nighttime Scream Fest”, (all of which I tend to avoid)…and this bias that you see boils down (IMO) to the degree of incessant coverage of the negatives of someone you disagree with.
“Fox” incessantly hammers the President 24-7; “CBS” does not incessantly hammer Romney.
We’ll not change minds; so let’s just continue to agree to disagree.
Mufasa
(P.S. One thing that I will be watching closely with a Romney win is the “Fox” coverage of him).[/quote]
You need to get a clue Mufasa.
The liberal media outlets pound Romney day and night:
MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AOL & Huffington Post, New York Times, Time Magazine, PBS. And virtually every “social” magazine from People to Better Homes and Gardens feature Michelle Obama over Ann Romney and run positive stories on Barack Obama.
Tell me Mufasa where is the fairness?
Is everything okay because FOX News leans right? I don’t think so, when you have so many media outlets saying the same thing it builds credibility in the minds of the many who follow them.
This campaign has been a joke…one big Gothya from the very beginning.
I do not deny that the republicans beat each other up in the primary. But so did Obama and Hillary in 08’, yet when it was over Obama went on to win. The media never mentioned the mamy attacks that were made on him by both Hillary and his own VP pick Joe Biden. Yet, Romney never got that pass.
As I said Romney currently trails the (media’s) Chosen One because that’s exactly how it has been planned! It’s a sad day when the only chance the republican has is in an open debate unfiltered by the left wing media.
It will be a large miracle should Romney actually defeat both Obama and the Main stream liberal media! However, as I said from the beginning Romney is the under dog for that very reason.
One cannot talk about this campaign without mentioning this very sad state of affairs. There is no fair media in the US. It died when Obama surfaced and now I suspect that it will forever be biased to the large degree that it is for ever more.
Still don’t think so Mufasa?
Why don’t you tell me the next time you hear anything about gas prices being over double what they were when Bush left office? Gas prices were all Bush’s fault, but for some reason Obama gets a pass.
Also, tell me the next time you hear of the MSLM complaining about drone attacks which are now 3 times more prevalent than when Bush was being attacked for them.
Tell me the next time you see a hard hitting report on how unfair the Patriot Act is. When Bush was President he was inundated with criticism regarding the PA. But as always Obama gets a free pass!
When is the last time you read or heard from any of the MSLM outlets that unemployment has been over 8% for 43 straight months?
When is the last time you heard of any of the dismal figures that Obama has ruled over? From 100 million people on some sort of government assistance to 45 million people on food stamps to a 16 trillion dollar debt?
Remember when the debt was 12 trillion under Bush? Every MSLM news outlet began with that story.
WHY ARE THEY SO SILENT ON THE OBAM RECORD MUFASA?
The only people who say that there is no bias are those who are already voting for Obama, or total idiots!
There is no more to say about this election. It begins and ends with the incredible biased reporting that has taken place from day one.
And it is disgraceful!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Also, tell me the next time you hear of the MSLM complaining about drone attacks which are now 3 times more prevalent than when Bush was being attacked for them.
Tell me the next time you see a hard hitting report on how unfair the Patriot Act is. When Bush was President he was inundated with criticism regarding the PA. But as always Obama gets a free pass!
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John Stewart was complaining about the media’s lack of coverage of these issues a few weeks ago. Great minds think alike I guess.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Also, tell me the next time you hear of the MSLM complaining about drone attacks which are now 3 times more prevalent than when Bush was being attacked for them.
Tell me the next time you see a hard hitting report on how unfair the Patriot Act is. When Bush was President he was inundated with criticism regarding the PA. But as always Obama gets a free pass!
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John Stewart was complaining about the media’s lack of coverage of these issues a few weeks ago. Great minds think alike I guess.
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I’m surprised to hear the left wing lap dog Jon Steaart say such a thing. Because he along with Letterman, Leno, Maher, Colbert and the many others are all part of the problem.
Some points, Zeb:
That’s my experience.
If Ms. Romney begins to sell magazines outside of Utah and parts of Idaho, believe me…she will be on the covers. Marie Osmond sure is; and it’s because she moves product like Michelle Obama does.
“The Blame Game”? Are you KIDDING?
Wow. It almost laughable (if it wasn’t so serious) of how a Romney loss (which I don’t see) is ALREADY being blamed not on his missteps; not on luke-warm Conservative support (and “lukewarm” is being generous); not on a blistering GOP Primary that painted him has a “Flip-Flopping/Plant-closing/Overseas-Job-Moving/Pro-Abortion/Liberal-in-Conservative Clothing”…and not on a Religious Right that have painted his religion as coming from Satan himself…
Even after all of this; a loss by Romney is already being blamed on the “MSLM”?
Don’t talk to me about the “Blame Game”, Zeb. It looks like that is a game Conservatives play equally as well as Liberals.
I’ll say it again; you are equating “fainess” with blaming everything from Middle Eastern Violence to Childhood Obesity on the President…and doing it 24-7;
If that is “fairness” to you; then yes, the “MSLM” is biased.
Mufasa