[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That generally doesn’t happen til later in players careers, and then half the time it doesn’t work out anyway [see Karl Malone and Gary Payton with the Lakers].[/quote]
I think it doesnt work out cause players do it later in their careers like you said… when they arent as good as they once were. But if they got together in their prime or close to their prime I think it would work dont you?
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WhiteFlash - you’ve gotta remember that if Bosh ends up walking, TOR gets absolutely nothing in return.
So a sign-and-trade is in both Bosh’s best interests (bigger deal) AND in TOR’s best interests (so at least they get something back)
And depending on the source, the Bynum-for-Bosh has either been extensively explored or already agreed upon by both sides. Of course it is all rumor until July 1…
[quote]chillain wrote:
WhiteFlash - you’ve gotta remember that if Bosh ends up walking, TOR gets absolutely nothing in return.
So a sign-and-trade is in both Bosh’s best interests (bigger deal) AND in TOR’s best interests (so at least they get something back)
And depending on the source, the Bynum-for-Bosh has either been extensively explored or already agreed upon by both sides. Of course it is all rumor until July 1…[/quote]
This is my point. Bosh can walk for nothing. And if Bosh WANTS to go to the Lakers in a sign and trade and the deal has already been extensively explored which I believe it has this deal is possible. Yes, I’m a Lakers fan but this deal is not farfetched as Whiteflash thinks. Bosh definitely wants to leave Toronto AND he definitely wants to play with another superstar. If all the other superstar free agents (Lebron, Wade, Nowitski, etc) stay put as Whiteflash predicts then the chances that the Lakers could actually gets this super talent is not only possible but the chances go up quite a bit.
If I had to bet money, I would still say it probably won’t happen. BUT if all those superstars really do stay put I would like the Lakers chances of landing him a lot more. Bosh has already stated as such that if Lebron leaves he would want to join him in NY. If not, a team like the Lakers is definitely in play.
[quote]chillain wrote:
WhiteFlash - you’ve gotta remember that if Bosh ends up walking, TOR gets absolutely nothing in return.
So a sign-and-trade is in both Bosh’s best interests (bigger deal) AND in TOR’s best interests (so at least they get something back)
And depending on the source, the Bynum-for-Bosh has either been extensively explored or already agreed upon by both sides. Of course it is all rumor until July 1…[/quote]
I thought I had made it clear that if he goes it’ll be through a sign and trade?
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
WhiteFlash - you’ve gotta remember that if Bosh ends up walking, TOR gets absolutely nothing in return.
So a sign-and-trade is in both Bosh’s best interests (bigger deal) AND in TOR’s best interests (so at least they get something back)
And depending on the source, the Bynum-for-Bosh has either been extensively explored or already agreed upon by both sides. Of course it is all rumor until July 1…[/quote]
This is my point. Bosh can walk for nothing. And if Bosh WANTS to go to the Lakers in a sign and trade and the deal has already been extensively explored which I believe it has this deal is possible. Yes, I’m a Lakers fan but this deal is not farfetched as Whiteflash thinks. Bosh definitely wants to leave Toronto AND he definitely wants to play with another superstar. If all the other superstar free agents (Lebron, Wade, Nowitski, etc) stay put as Whiteflash predicts then the chances that the Lakers could actually gets this super talent is not only possible but the chances go up quite a bit.
If I had to bet money, I would still say it probably won’t happen. BUT if all those superstars really do stay put I would like the Lakers chances of landing him a lot more. Bosh has already stated as such that if Lebron leaves he would want to join him in NY. If not, a team like the Lakers is definitely in play. [/quote]
I disagree. When is the last time you saw 3 top level talents on one team? NEVER. There’s only so many shots to go around guys, and no matter how “docile” Bosh seems he will not take a drastically reduced role to compete for a ring. That’s why I said Wade will wait but re-sign when he sees the Heat get either Bosh or Stoudamire. Toronto’s not gonna give up Bosh for Bynum and a couple of backups. It really is that simple.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I disagree. When is the last time you saw 3 top level talents on one team? NEVER. There’s only so many shots to go around guys, and no matter how “docile” Bosh seems he will not take a drastically reduced role to compete for a ring. That’s why I said Wade will wait but re-sign when he sees the Heat get either Bosh or Stoudamire. Toronto’s not gonna give up Bosh for Bynum and a couple of backups. It really is that simple.[/quote]
Well if it’s the case we can’t trade Bosh for Bynum which is probable, I’m stuck feeling not so hot about Bynum’s future anymore. And I have been a strong supporter of his “potential” for quite awhile now. You see flashes of brilliance over the last couple of years where it seems the basketball GODs are teasing us or something. He just can’t seem to stay healthy. I’m afraid this guy really is injury prone and those two freak knee injuries are exposing other deeper structural problems.
I have this nagging fear that instead of winning another 3 or 4 championships in the next 5 to 6 years (which is the potential with this team with a healthy Bynum), I’m afraid we may just pull one more out in that same time frame because Bynum will always be hobbled/limited. It’s so frustrating to think about because of how young and how much potential this guy really has. I hope my fears end up being that, just fears.
Dwight big game tonight. Redick hitting those 3s in 4q and Nelson hitting the big 3s in OT was big for the Magic. Can’t believe Pierce couldn’t knock down one of those 3s at the end of OT. Magic live to see another day. They are still done though for the series.
And what was up with those guys sitting behind the broadcasters wearing the Frank Caliendo hats?
Well what do you know? The Magic have some pride and grit after all.
dont get too excited it was a spontaneous adrenaline rush and it wont happen again, trust me. Howard is a big oaf. The celtics seem to think things through more.I mean how many 3’s does Allen have to make before it becomes clear… THEY NEED to get on him!!!
Wow, don’t think anyone saw that coming. Was watching Sportscenter earlier and Stuart Scott said something about the Magic winning and EVERYONE gave him shit. Good for the Magic. Still think it ends next game. But, if the Magic do win next game [obviously a big if] I think they win the series.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I disagree. When is the last time you saw 3 top level talents on one team? NEVER. There’s only so many shots to go around guys, and no matter how “docile” Bosh seems he will not take a drastically reduced role to compete for a ring. That’s why I said Wade will wait but re-sign when he sees the Heat get either Bosh or Stoudamire. Toronto’s not gonna give up Bosh for Bynum and a couple of backups. It really is that simple.[/quote]
Well if it’s the case we can’t trade Bosh for Bynum which is probable, I’m stuck feeling not so hot about Bynum’s future anymore. And I have been a strong supporter of his “potential” for quite awhile now. You see flashes of brilliance over the last couple of years where it seems the basketball GODs are teasing us or something. He just can’t seem to stay healthy. I’m afraid this guy really is injury prone and those two freak knee injuries are exposing other deeper structural problems.
I have this nagging fear that instead of winning another 3 or 4 championships in the next 5 to 6 years (which is the potential with this team with a healthy Bynum), I’m afraid we may just pull one more out in that same time frame because Bynum will always be hobbled/limited. It’s so frustrating to think about because of how young and how much potential this guy really has. I hope my fears end up being that, just fears.[/quote]
Rand, the thing with that is the Lakers have done pretty well with a limited Bynum up to this point. Bryant’s got another 2-3 years of MVP caliber ball, Gasol’s in his prime, they’re constantly bringing in new pieces and retaining what works, etc… Agree that Bynum has serious potential, but do think he’s proven to be injury prone. If they can get him for 65-70 games a year and keep him healthy for the playoffs then he’s worth his weight in gold. The big problem is who’s gonna replace what Fisher brings to the table when he’s gone? He’s 36 I believe, and while he’s held up really well, he can’t have but 1, MAYBE 2 really productive years left. I don’t know if Farmar or Brown are ready [yet] to fill those shoes.
If magice wins the next game and even the one after that I would still doubt their ability to win the ECF. I just don’t see it happening for them.
Vince Carter needs to learn to play some D. They’re killing him wit their screens. That’s one thing I do love about Fisher is he knows how to fight thru a screen.
Seemed like Rondo was a bit quiet today, or was it just me?
I don’t think Farmar or Brown is ready to and may never be. That’s why I was getting my hopes up for the potential Kurt Heinrich trade rumor that unfortunately didn’t happen. I think trading for a veteran point guard is easier than a big man like Bosh so I feel we’ll work something out.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
If magice wins the next game and even the one after that I would still doubt their ability to win the ECF. I just don’t see it happening for them.
Vince Carter needs to learn to play some D. They’re killing him wit their screens. That’s one thing I do love about Fisher is he knows how to fight thru a screen.
Seemed like Rondo was a bit quiet today, or was it just me?[/quote]
Yeah Pierce and Allen really did the most damage. In my opinion, it’s better that he isn’t the all star in every game. It’s all pretty new for him, and he might burn out if he tries to hard to maintain that status every game.I don’t know if you saw the halftime report but they interviewd the big three about Rondo and apparently he is extremely stubborn. This might be what causes them to lose the series. He’s been given a chance to lead and I don’t know that he is ready for it just yet. And What the FUCK is Wallace doing in the NBA? That guy cannot play basketball at all.
Just got back from a diving trip in Jamaica.
B up 3-1 on O. I love seeing a Big Baby dominate a Superman. I enjoy watching a Rajon manhandle a Jameer. I nod my head as a Carter digs his own crater. I heard he he had a big game today but Da-White-Howard is overrated.
On the west coast and down there in Arizona: I love seeing a Stud-a-mire out work a Gass-Hole, a Nash slash past a dirty Fish, a By-numb do nothing (all this in game 3). Can Alvin stay with Phil?
Will Gentry start with zone or mix it in with man. I can see Phil playing “the machine” and his bench more if the zone continues. Game 4 should be an interesting game of cat and mouse between head coaches.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I heard he he had a big game today but Da-White-Howard is overrated.
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See he’s not overrated at all though, because nobody talks about him as more than he is, which is the most impactful defensive player in the game, and the best rebounder in the game, who happens to be 7 ft tall and athletic so he can make easy buckets inside if his team is shooting well enough to relax the pressure in the paint.
Orlando played well last night, the way they should have played the whole series. Dwight actually stopped smiling for a second and got under the Celtics skin. Vince continued to smile and was handled quite easily- but Vince is too bitchmade to suddenly change, anyway. And J.J. Reddick was dope.
The calls were going Orlando’s way towards the end though. On the replays you could tell they were getting calls for getting touched-not supposed to happen in the playoffs. Not that this affected my views on Howard’s performance, as he was getting And 1’s out of those calls, so he’d have done well with or without them. Howard took advantage of his speed and athleticism and got a few alleys and passes right in front of the net–this could work again in the next game if they do it right. It’s worked two times for Howard in this series.
It looked like Boston, for maybe the first time in playoffs, was a bit tired late into the 4th and in overtime. They were really sloppy at times on offense in their execution and in protecting the ball. That last Celtic possession in regulation was big cluster frick. Rondo seemed to be out of position and Pierce was having trouble just dribbling the ball, with Reddick guarding him, of all people. They just looked tired and out of sink on that possession.
Boston, much like LA, was due for a subpar game. Both teams had played so well in their previous 5 or 6 games. That cant be expected every game, especially in conference finals.
Boston appeared to show weakness with great ball movement the last game. Their defense is top notch, but when Orlando (even with their shitty passing) was moving the ball well thats when they appeared to get the easy baskets.
Now there’s another team in the NBA thats currently in the West that has great ball movement and top notch passing abilities, what was their name again?? Oh man I’m really having trouble remembering who they were, can you help me out with this one Randman? =D
Nomorewar,
I understand why you would think Celtics are unbeatable this year, but you have to understand that the Laker matchups totally change the dynamics of their soon to be series with the Celtics. Comparing how a team dominates one opponent isn’t a good measure of how they will do against the next. The perfect example is the Magic. They looked like they were UNSTOPPABLE before this series, many here including myself thought they would come out of the East, but as soon as they met a team that player for player was a better matchup they were dominated. Player for Player Boston cannot dominate LA if we are playing hard and firing on all cylinders. I’m not saying we’re unbeatable, but we are a VERY different team the Orlando and Cleveland.