Ah come on gettnitdone, relax. Who pissed in your cheerios. It seems like your taking this Lebron no show performance personally. All in good fun. Yes, MJ = GOAT.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).[/quote]
Red, I think you’re missing the point. If James had a monster game tonight and they still lost at least he would’ve “showed up”, and people would say he needs a better supporting cast. But what happened is he just got shut down in the biggest game of his career thus far, and looked damn near indifferent at the post game press conference. That is inexcusable. Kobe Bryant is capable of a bad game, but please believe he’d go down firing.[/quote]
Dude, it’s inaccurate to say he was even shut down. He was pretty much uninvolved from the start and did not impose his will on any aspect of the game. That’s not what superstars do.[/quote]
You’re right. It was the wrong choice of words.
What is with drewh and gettnitdone? There’s no talk of GOAT here. We just like ribbing you guys on Lebron and he put up a shit sandwich for a performance tonight. Can’t either of you at least admit the obvious and then we can continue our fun banter on this thread?
Tim Legler, ESPN Analyst, said it “I can not remember a player of Lebron James caliber being this UNINVOLVED in a game of this magnitude”. Lebron must me checking out already from Cleveland. I can’t explain it. This was the most unexpected game I can remember watching in a long time.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
When has anyone here called Bryant the GOAT? Also, several players have said Bryant is better than Jordan, including Mark Jackson on national tv.
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thats because mark jackson doesn’t know what the fuck hes talking about and was probably caught up in the moment of the game/context when he said it. I don’t think anyone has publicly said Kobe is better then MJ although some people like Phil Jackson have said in certain aspects Kobe has an advantage.
Take that with a grain of salt because hes Kobe’s coach. When you say Kobe is the greatest scorer in modern basketball you are probably right. Then again what does that really say about a player’s game? Ball hog…
another tag line thats associated with Kobe
[quote]randman wrote:
Lebron, best basketball player in the game today? Puhleeze!!! Lebron is putting up a major goose egg in a critical game 5. Kobe would never do this!!! Dude, he is the number one GOAT of this game .
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LeBron is part something part human. Its foolish to even think you as a human can understand what he does and why he does it.
= P
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).[/quote]
Red, I think you’re missing the point. If James had a monster game tonight and they still lost at least he would’ve “showed up”, and people would say he needs a better supporting cast. But what happened is he just got shut down in the biggest game of his career thus far, and looked damn near indifferent at the post game press conference. That is inexcusable. Kobe Bryant is capable of a bad game, but please believe he’d go down firing.[/quote]
I had a decent length post written up but I decided to scratch it and just say that the last time Kobe was in the playoffs vs this Boston team he was sitting on the bench looking exactly like Lebron was, except he happened to make like 3 more shots. Do you really think showing up to the press conference angry is why they turned it around and won the title the year after? Really? I stand by the comment about ever personally competing to randman as well. I’ve been in the lockerrom of a state champion high school team, and a d1 college football team(in truth, not a great one) and the best players handle shit with the least anger publicly, but almost always the most privately.
Go watch the clip of LeBron hunched over, exhausted(and I’d dare see bewildered), and think of when you have ever seen him like that. That’s not a man who “wasn’t in it” mentally, that’s a man who’s physical skills that day didn’t match up to what he wanted to bring(no that’s not an elbow excuse).
A. Time Legler is a dumbass
B. This has happened to Kobe
C. Kobe couldn’t win without a good team
D. You take Kobe and Lebron off their teams Lakers>Cavs by far
^ Yeah but I think the point of this whole arguement isn’t that if you take Kobe and Lebron away from their teams Lakers>Cavs.
The point is if you take Kobe and Lebron away from their teams and Kobe>Lebron!
Make sense?? lol
Just bustin your balls, like I said I’m kinda tired of all the Kobe vs Lebron talk.
[quote]red04 wrote:
I had a decent length post written up but I decided to scratch it and just say that the last time Kobe was in the playoffs vs this Boston team he was sitting on the bench looking exactly like Lebron was, except he happened to make like 3 more shots. Do you really think showing up to the press conference angry is why they turned it around and won the title the year after? Really? I stand by the comment about ever personally competing to randman as well. I’ve been in the lockerrom of a state champion high school team, and a d1 college football team(in truth, not a great one) and the best players handle shit with the least anger publicly, but almost always the most privately.
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dude, I’m not going to regal u with tales of my high school glory days and I’m not considered a superstar in professional sports but Lebron is. He flat out didn’t even show up for the game. I have yet to hear one of u admit this. The supposed “best of the best” are not supposed to do this.
[quote]drewh wrote:
A. Time Legler is a dumbass
B. This has happened to Kobe
C. Kobe couldn’t win without a good team
D. You take Kobe and Lebron off their teams Lakers>Cavs by far[/quote]
Then most of sports radio is a dumbass. Do u guys even listen to what most of the analysts are saying this morning? They’re questioning his heart, his killer instinct, etc. You guys act like it’s just me and Whiteflash. Calling out this obvious no show of a performance and I havent heard from of u guys acknowledging the obvious. What are u guys all afraid to get kicked out of the Lebron fan boy fan club if u criticize his lack of showing up to a crucial game?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
LeBron is part something part human. Its foolish to even think you as a human can understand what he does and why he does it.
= P[/quote]
My mind can’t comprehend! My mind can’t comprehend! Lmao!
And just for the record, if u re-read any of my posts on this thread I never eluded to Kobe being GOAT, especially over Jordan. It interesting how u guys went there however on ur own. That must mean as much as u hate to admit he’s at least in the conversation. And the more championships this guy gets under his belt, the more appropriate that comparison will become. U Lebron fans worst nightmare (fanning the flames of discourse in the thread as he laughs maniacally).
Anyways, I’m getting tired of bashing on LeGay, LeChoke, etc as well. Do u think Cleveland has a chance to come back in this series at all or will Boston close em out in game 6? What’s the odds?
And, if Boston does close em out in game 6, what are the odds that Lebron does leave Cleveland?
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
A. Time Legler is a dumbass
B. This has happened to Kobe
C. Kobe couldn’t win without a good team
D. You take Kobe and Lebron off their teams Lakers>Cavs by far[/quote]
Then most of sports radio is a dumbass. Do u guys even listen to what most of the analysts are saying this morning? They’re questioning his heart, his killer instinct, etc. You guys act like it’s just me and Whiteflash. Calling out this obvious no show of a performance and I havent heard from of u guys acknowledging the obvious. What are u guys all afraid to get kicked out of the Lebron fan boy fan club if u criticize his lack of showing up to a crucial game? [/quote]
They always do this, remember you tards who thought OKC was going yo beat LA.
Quote of the night
“One of biggest playoff wins in KNICKS history.”
– ESPN.com’s John Hollinger on his Twitter account about LeBron possibly leaving the Cavs this summer as a free agent
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
When has anyone here called Bryant the GOAT? Also, several players have said Bryant is better than Jordan, including Mark Jackson on national tv.
[/quote]
thats because mark jackson doesn’t know what the fuck hes talking about and was probably caught up in the moment of the game/context when he said it. I don’t think anyone has publicly said Kobe is better then MJ although some people like Phil Jackson have said in certain aspects Kobe has an advantage.
Take that with a grain of salt because hes Kobe’s coach. When you say Kobe is the greatest scorer in modern basketball you are probably right. Then again what does that really say about a player’s game? Ball hog…
another tag line thats associated with Kobe[/quote]
You’ve proven time and again that you have NO IDEA of what you try and speak on. Phil Jackson was also Jordan’s coach, so should I still take it with a grain of salt? Mark Jackson played against both in their primes, so should I take what he said with a grain of salt? Quit making excuses and come to grips with what’s what.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).[/quote]
Red, I think you’re missing the point. If James had a monster game tonight and they still lost at least he would’ve “showed up”, and people would say he needs a better supporting cast. But what happened is he just got shut down in the biggest game of his career thus far, and looked damn near indifferent at the post game press conference. That is inexcusable. Kobe Bryant is capable of a bad game, but please believe he’d go down firing.[/quote]
I had a decent length post written up but I decided to scratch it and just say that the last time Kobe was in the playoffs vs this Boston team he was sitting on the bench looking exactly like Lebron was, except he happened to make like 3 more shots. Do you really think showing up to the press conference angry is why they turned it around and won the title the year after? Really? I stand by the comment about ever personally competing to randman as well. I’ve been in the lockerrom of a state champion high school team, and a d1 college football team(in truth, not a great one) and the best players handle shit with the least anger publicly, but almost always the most privately.
Go watch the clip of LeBron hunched over, exhausted(and I’d dare see bewildered), and think of when you have ever seen him like that. That’s not a man who “wasn’t in it” mentally, that’s a man who’s physical skills that day didn’t match up to what he wanted to bring(no that’s not an elbow excuse).[/quote]
I’m not saying he needed to be cussing at reportes and smacking microphone stands, but that would’ve at least shown SOME emotion. He looked disinterested during the game, and he looked disinterested after the game. At seems the all of the James lovers here won’t admit to the fact that he dogged it last night, and maybe, just maybe, he’s more hype than anything.
hahaha wow you really think Kobe is better than Mike crazy. This thread lost all credibility with this.
[quote]drewh wrote:
hahaha wow you really think Kobe is better than Mike crazy. This thread lost all credibility with this. [/quote]
Who ever said that? Some of ya’ll need to work on your reading comprehension.