Lebron, best basketball player in the game today? Puhleeze!!! Lebron is putting up a major goose egg in a critical game 5. Kobe would never do this!!! Dude, he is the number one GOAT of this game.
One major thing I forgot to mention of why the Cavaliers won’t make it out of the East has to do with their lack of a coach. Mike Brown is and has been terrible. If the Celtics do win this series (and probably even if they don’t) Mike Brown will be fired by the end of the season.
Celtics will take it back home and win it all is my prediction for this series.
The celtics have shown they want it more and are more then capable of beating the cavs and lebron. When they go back home they’re not going to want to risk taking it to game seven. They will close it out next game is my prediction.
Until tonight I thought James was gonna stay in Cleveland. But, I feel like he knows where he’s going in the off-season [and it ain’t Cleveland] and the pressure of his last game in a Cavs uni got to him. Obviously I could be completely talking out of my ass.
Just gotta hope they bring some fire on the bus to Boston and bring home a game 7, any other comment I make will just start some stupid flame war =p
[quote]red04 wrote:
Just gotta hope they bring some fire on the bus to Boston and bring home a game 7, any other comment I make will just start some stupid flame war =p[/quote]
u are wrong!! lol
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
Just gotta hope they bring some fire on the bus to Boston and bring home a game 7, any other comment I make will just start some stupid flame war =p[/quote]
u are wrong!! lol[/quote]
He’s stupid and wrong actually! And he can’t read good.
well… i picked the cavs to come out of the east… but the cavs are so demoralized and toast.
I think Paul Pierce finally broke out with even the talk that Lebron wanted to guard Rondo. He responded finally. Too much pride. After listening to Lebron speak after the game he doesn’t seem particularly upset or concerned. I just don’t get this. He didn’t come out mentally to win this game and he doesn’t seem mentally prepare to win the next game. The Celtics will finish this on their home floor. I do think Lebron already knows he’s gone after this season which will be happening quickly.
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
what happened in game 7 of the the 1st round vs the suns?? Kobe had only 1 point in the second half. Good night.
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
what happened in game 7 of the the 1st round vs the suns?? Kobe had only 1 point in the second half. Good night.[/quote]
Knew someone was gonna bring that up. Not defending what he did, but I think Bryant was at a different point mentally and was trying to send a message to management that he needed some help. Doesn’t make it any better, just my take.
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
what happened in game 7 of the the 1st round vs the suns?? Kobe had only 1 point in the second half. Good night.[/quote]
It’s more than just the performance. It’s the non-chalant, non-pissed attitude after. The guy is mentally not there yet.
I saw that game. Trying to compare that one to this one is utter bullshit. This is after Kobe Bryant scored like crazy the six games before that and scored like crazy at the half.
LeGay didn’t even get involved from the get go. And for an analysis of that game, here it is:
"And so Bryant’s last game as No. 8 devolved into the one-on-five challenge anticipated some two weeks ago, back when this first-round epic began. Not by choice, though.
The Ocho, soon to be No. 24, was forced to fire away because, everywhere he looked, his inexperienced teammates were shrinking. All the fears about the Lakers’ kids in a Game 7 were validated in 12 minutes, by which point L.A.'s deficit was already 32-15. The Suns, meanwhile, showed up for Game 7 with a defensive energy and activity rarely seen from them, quickly fronting and rotating in the post to smother the timid visitors.
Bryant tried to get his helpers involved at the start, as he did to great effect in the first four games, but none of them had it. Not Lamar Odom or Luke Walton, both of whom outplayed Marion through the first half of the series. Not Smush Parker and definitely not Kwame Brown, who so frustrated Jackson that he was summoned to the bench just 74 seconds into the second half.
Strangely, though, Bryant’s will to keep shooting didn’t last much longer, bringing a muted close to his prolific season. The Ocho attempted just three shots in the second half after ringing up 23 points in the first, in what looked suspiciously like a surrender. Jackson and Bryant both insisted afterward that they were in accord with the second-half approach – that another 50-point game, as Kobe submitted in Game 6, was not going to save them here – but it was one more dose of bizarre in a series that had everything."
Sorry dude, just indefensible play by LeQueen.
[quote]red04 wrote:
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).[/quote]
And the defense begins. That performance and that post game show is absolutely indefensible. I don’t question his physical skills, I question his mental toughness. And actually, if he filled that stat sheet and they lost tonight, I wouldn’t say Kobe never loses. That’s a knee jerk defense statement which has no point in reality. Face it, LeKing is really LeQueen tonight.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).[/quote]
Red, I think you’re missing the point. If James had a monster game tonight and they still lost at least he would’ve “showed up”, and people would say he needs a better supporting cast. But what happened is he just got shut down in the biggest game of his career thus far, and looked damn near indifferent at the post game press conference. That is inexcusable. Kobe Bryant is capable of a bad game, but please believe he’d go down firing.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, I’m calling out everyone saying Lebron is the best basketball player right now. Every analyst is skewering this guy right now. First, MJ or Kobe would never come out in a game like this and not have their fingerprints all over it.
Lebron stayed most of the game on the weak side of the ball and was UNINVOLVED. And then after the game he wasn’t upset, concerned, etc. Again, Jordan or Kobe having a bad game in a critical game like this would be pissed, livid, and determined to fix it. Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA. I would like to hear someone try to defend this guy being the best basketball player now. No freaking way.[/quote]
I have a feeling you yourself never competed at much of a level of anything if you take someone’s immediate post game comments to be a reflection of their actual feelings. Taking the discussion any further is pointless, LeBron could’ve stuffed the biggest nastiest statsheet ever tonight and you’d just say “but they lost, Kobe never loses.” The dude goes into every game in a lose/lose scenario to you(much like Kobe does to a lot of others, they are so much more alike than you want to admit).[/quote]
Red, I think you’re missing the point. If James had a monster game tonight and they still lost at least he would’ve “showed up”, and people would say he needs a better supporting cast. But what happened is he just got shut down in the biggest game of his career thus far, and looked damn near indifferent at the post game press conference. That is inexcusable. Kobe Bryant is capable of a bad game, but please believe he’d go down firing.[/quote]
Dude, it’s inaccurate to say he was even shut down. He was pretty much uninvolved from the start and did not impose his will on any aspect of the game. That’s not what superstars do.
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Question for the thread: we talk about Kobe and how great his offensive game is. But how about his defense? I know he’s made five straight all-NBA Defensive teams (along with five straight all-NBA teams), but do you think his defense is all that good? Would you consider him a lockdown defender?[/quote]
I think those 2004 rule changes made lockdown defenders extinct, just as they helped re-emphasize the PG position.
Not sure that Bryant didn’t make all-defense this year based on past reputation, since Artest drew the toughest perimeter assignment every night I can remember. But that was the plan of course, and a good one that figures to extend Bryant’s career.
Okay one more referral of Kobe as the GOAT and I think going to stop posting on here entirely. MJ is the GOAT at Kobe’s position and in general. Kobe himself has even said multiple multiple times that he will never be like MJ. Kobe+LeBron + every other NBA player recognizes that the ever long king of basketball is MJ.
MJ>Kobe in the clutch. Kobe doesn’t know what the fuck to do with the basketball once he gets it, he does all these flexible, angled, out of no where shots that sometimes fall in. No doubt hes in the highest echelon of skill and talent, however MJ would just deliver it. What seperates MJ was that pass to Kerr. After that pass no matter whoever came after him and nailed any amount of buzzer beaters/game winners, they were not going to be THAT clutch player on the all time NBA fantasy team.
MJ>Kobe for all the mathematical thinkers out there.
New rule for this thread no GOAT talk period lets just discuss the games. Good win by Celts, if Cleveland loses this series Lebron is gone.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Okay one more referral of Kobe as the GOAT and I think going to stop posting on here entirely. MJ is the GOAT at Kobe’s position and in general. Kobe himself has even said multiple multiple times that he will never be like MJ. Kobe+LeBron + every other NBA player recognizes that the ever long king of basketball is MJ.
MJ>Kobe in the clutch. Kobe doesn’t know what the fuck to do with the basketball once he gets it, he does all these flexible, angled, out of no where shots that sometimes fall in. No doubt hes in the highest echelon of skill and talent, however MJ would just deliver it. What seperates MJ was that pass to Kerr. After that pass no matter whoever came after him and nailed any amount of buzzer beaters/game winners, they were not going to be THAT clutch player on the all time NBA fantasy team.
MJ>Kobe for all the mathematical thinkers out there.[/quote]
When has anyone here called Bryant the GOAT? Also, several players have said Bryant is better than Jordan, including Mark Jackson on national tv.