Flash the Cavs made a statement just like you said they needed to
After dropping multiple 20 point leads in last years playoffs, I’m not ready to echo GID’s post just yet… give it 12 minutes =p
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
I don’t quite agree with this. It will be more like “one of the greatest basketball players (but) he couldn’t win the big one or he could only get one”. If Lebron’s not careful, he’s going to get the Peyton Manning reputation. I like to call Peyton Manning “the greatest REGULAR season quarter back of all time”. I think you guys get what I mean by this.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that James will be regarded as the best regardless of playoff success, it’s just that the media sucks his dick so much that I wouldn’t be surprised if THEY start calling him the GOAT within the next few years. I think Red feels the same way. To be perfectly honest with you, outside of winning several championships and developing a killer instinct [which won’t happen] I don’t think there’s anything James can do to surpass Bryant in my eyes. James game is based on his size, athelticism and his ability to get every call to go his way. Once his athletic ability starts to fade his game will fall off unbelieveably quickly. But, he’ll still get every call going his way so that will help keep him towards the top.[/quote]
Look at Herschel Walker. He was a football stud at a young age and he’s still a monster (albeit in a different competitive sport). I think its the converse of what you’re insinuating; because he’s so athletically gifted it means he’s going to have that ability for a longer period than other players. MJ wasn’t a shooter, he was an athletic player. Look how he ended up. Same goes for Kobe, he was never really talented as a perimeter player but he focused on it and ofcourse got the results.
Whats going to happen if LeBron meets Kobe in the finals this year or next or whenever, and he wins? If Kobe beats him then we can shut up.
Kobe’s always going to have the Shaq tagline. I know Shaq is on LeBron’s team this year but c’mon its not really ‘Shaq’ the dominant post player. If they win a championship headlines aren’t going to say “LeBron/Shaq win championship,” they’re going to say “LeBron and cavs win championship.”
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Kobe’s always going to have the Shaq tagline. I know Shaq is on LeBron’s team this year but c’mon its not really ‘Shaq’ the dominant post player. If they win a championship headlines aren’t going to say “LeBron/Shaq win championship,” they’re going to say “LeBron and cavs win championship.”
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Well I think by LAL winning the title last year, Kobe got that tagline off his back, proving he can win a title with his own team and not having Shaq around. When the Heat won the title in 2006, D-Wade was the star, but Shaq was an integral part of the team, just not the force he was in the early 2000s with LAL.
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Kobe’s always going to have the Shaq tagline. I know Shaq is on LeBron’s team this year but c’mon its not really ‘Shaq’ the dominant post player. If they win a championship headlines aren’t going to say “LeBron/Shaq win championship,” they’re going to say “LeBron and cavs win championship.”
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Well I think by LAL winning the title last year, Kobe got that tagline off his back, proving he can win a title with his own team and not having Shaq around. When the Heat won the title in 2006, D-Wade was the star, but Shaq was an integral part of the team, just not the force he was in the early 2000s with LAL.[/quote]
Agreed sir, Kobe does not deserve the “with Shaq” line.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
I don’t quite agree with this. It will be more like “one of the greatest basketball players (but) he couldn’t win the big one or he could only get one”. If Lebron’s not careful, he’s going to get the Peyton Manning reputation. I like to call Peyton Manning “the greatest REGULAR season quarter back of all time”. I think you guys get what I mean by this.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that James will be regarded as the best regardless of playoff success, it’s just that the media sucks his dick so much that I wouldn’t be surprised if THEY start calling him the GOAT within the next few years. I think Red feels the same way. To be perfectly honest with you, outside of winning several championships and developing a killer instinct [which won’t happen] I don’t think there’s anything James can do to surpass Bryant in my eyes. James game is based on his size, athelticism and his ability to get every call to go his way. Once his athletic ability starts to fade his game will fall off unbelieveably quickly. But, he’ll still get every call going his way so that will help keep him towards the top.[/quote]
Look at Herschel Walker. He was a football stud at a young age and he’s still a monster (albeit in a different competitive sport). I think its the converse of what you’re insinuating; because he’s so athletically gifted it means he’s going to have that ability for a longer period than other players. MJ wasn’t a shooter, he was an athletic player. Look how he ended up. Same goes for Kobe, he was never really talented as a perimeter player but he focused on it and ofcourse got the results.
Whats going to happen if LeBron meets Kobe in the finals this year or next or whenever, and he wins? If Kobe beats him then we can shut up.
Kobe’s always going to have the Shaq tagline. I know Shaq is on LeBron’s team this year but c’mon its not really ‘Shaq’ the dominant post player. If they win a championship headlines aren’t going to say “LeBron/Shaq win championship,” they’re going to say “LeBron and cavs win championship.”
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The thing is with your examples [outside of Walker], they all added new wrinkles to their games each year. James is just a bigger, stronger, more polished version of what he was when he came in. Right now it’s enabling him to do what he’s done. But - and you can quote me on this - when his physical gifts start to deteriorate his numbers and effectiveness will take a drastic hit. His game is bull his way to the hole over and over or shoot the deep ball. There’s no real inbetween, and when he’s too old to bull around anymore his shot’s not consistent enough to rely on it exclusively. Dwyane Wade will be somewhat like this as well.
Shaq’s just a fat ass of his former self. His entire purpose is to make Howard actually break a sweat and maybe annoy Bynum. Nevertheless, Lebron has Jamison, an Olympian, and Mo. If he can’t win this year, it’s definately Lebron’s fault, not the supporting cast’s. But looking at the game that just ended, the cavs are still in good shape for a championship.
We could be sitting here talking 'bout Bron and Mamba while Kevin Durant creeps in and becomes MVP, NBA Champ, scoring champ and new NBA stud in a few years. What about John Wall? Brandon Jennings? Dwight Howard dominating? We’ll see…
[quote]Spriont wrote:
Shaq’s just a fat ass of his former self. His entire purpose is to make Howard actually break a sweat and maybe annoy Bynum. Nevertheless, Lebron has Jamison, an Olympian, and Mo. If he can’t win this year, it’s definately Lebron’s fault, not the supporting cast’s. But looking at the game that just ended, the cavs are still in good shape for a championship.[/quote]
Annoy Bynum? How about scare the shit out of Bynum.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]Spriont wrote:
Shaq’s just a fat ass of his former self. His entire purpose is to make Howard actually break a sweat and maybe annoy Bynum. Nevertheless, Lebron has Jamison, an Olympian, and Mo. If he can’t win this year, it’s definately Lebron’s fault, not the supporting cast’s. But looking at the game that just ended, the cavs are still in good shape for a championship.[/quote]
Annoy Bynum? How about scare the shit out of Bynum.[/quote]
Don’t think Bynum’s too worried.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
We could be sitting here talking 'bout Bron and Mamba while Kevin Durant creeps in and becomes MVP, NBA Champ, scoring champ and new NBA stud in a few years. What about John Wall? Brandon Jennings? Dwight Howard dominating? We’ll see…[/quote]
Alright, I’m putting this out here right now. If anyone aside from Kobe Bryant leads the league in scoring it’s 'cause Kobe Bryant didn’t feel the need to lead the league in scoring, ok? It drives me crazy when you hear “so and so is the best scorer in the league…” Bullshit. Bryant is the best scorer we’ve ever seen, and probably ever will see, and playing less minutes, with a bum hand on a loaded team where he can conserve himself he’s still putting up 27 a game. If he were on the Thunder he’d get 35 a night. Believe that.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
The thing is with your examples [outside of Walker], they all added new wrinkles to their games each year. James is just a bigger, stronger, more polished version of what he was when he came in. Right now it’s enabling him to do what he’s done. But - and you can quote me on this - when his physical gifts start to deteriorate his numbers and effectiveness will take a drastic hit. His game is bull his way to the hole over and over or shoot the deep ball. There’s no real inbetween, and when he’s too old to bull around anymore his shot’s not consistent enough to rely on it exclusively. Dwyane Wade will be somewhat like this as well.[/quote]
I really don’t know a whole lot about bball, so I don’t want you to think Im implying that- but Lebrons 3 point % has to have gone up. I think he is adding a better than decent outside shot to his game. Did not check stats, so if Im wrong, my bad.
Dam Spurs, not your year this year…
^ Really surprised by the suns. I figured they’d do well in the regular season and be eliminated fairly early in the playoffs, now here they are blowing out San Antonio. Tough break Spurs fans.
Whoo!!! Dragic was killing it. That 4 point play amazing.
I hate the Suns
And planet orange hates all things spurs related INCLUDING YOU!!!
[quote]drewh wrote:
And planet orange hates all things spurs related INCLUDING YOU!!![/quote]
Lol. Nice
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
The thing is with your examples [outside of Walker], they all added new wrinkles to their games each year. James is just a bigger, stronger, more polished version of what he was when he came in. Right now it’s enabling him to do what he’s done. But - and you can quote me on this - when his physical gifts start to deteriorate his numbers and effectiveness will take a drastic hit. His game is bull his way to the hole over and over or shoot the deep ball. There’s no real inbetween, and when he’s too old to bull around anymore his shot’s not consistent enough to rely on it exclusively. Dwyane Wade will be somewhat like this as well.[/quote]
I really don’t know a whole lot about bball, so I don’t want you to think Im implying that- but Lebrons 3 point % has to have gone up. I think he is adding a better than decent outside shot to his game. Did not check stats, so if Im wrong, my bad.[/quote]
That’s why I said he’s a more polished version of when he came in, but he’s still the same basic player. He hasn’t added much if anything, he’s just bigger and more physically mature.
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