2010 NBA Playoff Thread Part 2: The Return

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
So Garnett wants to knock away every shot taken after the whistle… no big deal, I guess.

But when Odom retrieves the ball and goes for a put back and he decides to give him a push… what a punk move. Show some fucking class.[/quote]

Yeah i thought that was a questionable move. Especially since he didnt try to block it… That would have been a T and or a flagrant foul. If I was on the Lakers I would try that every time he blocks away a shot like that and see what happens.

.greg.[/quote]

I guess they didn’t call anything since Odom was delaying the game with that second attempt.

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Look, I was as excited as anyone not named Randman about the Lakers win last night. But let’s not act like this was anything more than the Boston Celtics losing the game for the Lakers.

89 points is NOT that great an offensive performance, and not enough for people to be looking at who stepped up on offense for the victors. The Lakers played okay, but there were a lot of turnovers.

Early in the game the calls were clearly in LA’s favour, although after they established around a 15 point lead from thereon out the calls favoured the Celtics [which means most of the game, but the big lead was already established]. I’d say overall the calls favoured LA, but this is up for debate.

The Celtics missed too many easy layups to count. It was insane how many they missed. And unlike last game, the Lakers strategy of letting Rondo shoot jumpers worked. He went back to his atrocious shooting. In game 5 he got lucky and made those shots, which really hurt the Lakers.

But it is nice that the Lakers had a more balanced offense today, that’s a good sign. But there are still questions. Artest is obviously no guarantee offensively for game 7, and neither is Odom, who played decently but not great today anyway.

On the plus side I expect Fisher to do better in game 7 than he did last night. He was in foul trouble early on. The Lakers letting Rondo take jump shots will work again probably. Shrek and Donkey came back down to Earth it seems. But I’d already expected that to happen.

All in all, I’m happy for the win, but this game doesn’t tell me anything about how the next game will be. And I’m not anymore optimistic than I was last night before the game.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Look, I was as excited as anyone not named Randman about the Lakers win last night. But let’s not act like this was anything more than the Boston Celtics losing the game for the Lakers.[/quote]
These next to games are not about the Lakers trying to beat the Celtics, Lakers are the team to beat, they are on their home court and Boston folded at the first attempt. I don’t think anyone is thinking it is more than that. Except now Lakers have the momentum and confidence back on their side. Confidence can be a bad thing, but for this series I think its good because we need our bench to be confident and perform in game 7. That’s why I’m so excited about this win

So you think the Lakers should have scored over 100 pts to be considered a good offensive effort? That means they would have beateb the Celtics by around 40 pts. Cmon, let’s be realistic.

[quote]Early in the game the calls were clearly in LA’s favour, although after they established around a 15 point lead from thereon out the calls favoured the Celtics [which means most of the game, but the big lead was already established]. I’d say overall the calls favoured LA, but this is up for debate. [/quote]. The refs did make some bad calls but nothing soo horrific that would account for this type of loss for the Celtics, so that’s a bit of a moot point.

[quote]But it is nice that the Lakers had a more balanced offense today, that’s a good sign. But there are still questions. Artest is obviously no guarantee offensively for game 7, and neither is Odom, who played decently but not great today anyway. [/quote] the way the Celtics have been playing NONE of their players are a guarantee to show up game 7, except maybe Rondo. All their starters have had shitty performances for stretches of the playoffs, so that’s a bit of a moot point as well.

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All in all, I’m happy for the win, but this game doesn’t tell me anything about how the next game will be. And I’m not anymore optimistic than I was last night before the game. [/quote]. Last nights game tells us a lot, but you’re right, it doesn’t tell us how tomorrows game is going to be. But I don’t think anyone was saying that it does, but there are things we can pull from this game to get a hint on what tomorrows game might look like.

Pau Gasol is not still stuck in his rut and getting dominated by KG.
Rondo’s jump shot hasn’t really changed, he simply had hot hands last game.
Bostons bench isn’t as aggressive or dominate when they’re surrounded by angry laker fans booing them.
Kobe is willing to share the ball and isn’t going into KILLER mode and trying to win this thing single handedly
Laker bench always has and will continue to perform better at home
You cannot rain on my parade! I’m happy about this win and no negative nancy is going to take that from me.

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celtics have history on their side.They have never lost a game 7 of the nba finals. They are 7-0 in game 7 of the nba finals and 5 of those victories were against the lakers,last one being in 1984.

The reffs are gonna let both teams duke it out and that will play into the c’s advantage. C’s win tomorrow 106-98.

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Game 7 comes down to really just one thing. If perkins can’t go, Gasol is going to get in a rythem early and dominate KG and Sheed. Perkins bangs him early and gets him out of his game and hurts his confidence. No Perkins means you will see another ON gasol. When gasol is ON, the perimeter defenders for the c’s will look to come and double him quicker, this generates shots on the outside.

This also generates offensive rebounds, a longer shot attempt from the perimeter, a defender making a leap towards the shooter because he has over commited himself to the double on gasol. This leaves 4 celtics in for a rebound instead of 5, If the shooter follows his shot, there is a 5-4 advantage on the boards.

A small compensation like that really can shift the entire balance of power in a game. Not having a 100% bynum for this series has definately hurt the lakers big time. Now we see what happens to Boston when their bruiser is out.

#2 is going to be the deafening roar of the crowd. The lakers are going to have so much energy feeding off that, you will see a similar energy level to last night. Nearly all the commentators made a comment about how unusually loud the staples center was. Just like “shrek and donkey” had amazing energy in game 4, the lakers bench, namely brown, farmar and vujacic, are going to be POPPING with energy again. Farmar delevers some really nice offensive energy, brown give you highlight reel plays which just amp everyone up, and vujacic can hit some nice 3 balls and is also a pretty tenacious pest on D.

I hope bynums knee is good but I only expect him to play 5 minutes. Seems he is good for a few plays but landing even a little awkward on his knee tweaks it and then he is essentially useless the rest of the game. I give him a lot of credit for playing hurt, but I don’t think he is going to be much of a factor in game 7, nor do I think he needs to be.

Now that I have set up my two major factors for the game, there is still a few things that could make it even worse, Kobe, Fisher, Odom, Artest. You only need Kobe and one of those other guys to be on, or not kobe but the other 3 and the game is going to get out of hand again. I hope it does, I would rather the lakers get a blowout win because I don’t want to have an ulcer.

Also I just need to add in that oop and the dunk by brown were just stupid. He definately can soar.

go Lakers!

V

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
celtics have history on their side.They have never lost a game 7 of the nba finals. They are 7-0 in game 7 of the nba finals and 5 of those victories were against the lakers,last one being in 1984.

The reffs are gonna let both teams duke it out and that will play into the c’s advantage. C’s win tomorrow 106-98. [/quote]

Phil Jackson is 43-0 when winning game 1 of a series. 43-0 is better than 7-0.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
celtics have history on their side.They have never lost a game 7 of the nba finals. They are 7-0 in game 7 of the nba finals and 5 of those victories were against the lakers,last one being in 1984.

The reffs are gonna let both teams duke it out and that will play into the c’s advantage. C’s win tomorrow 106-98. [/quote]

Phil Jackson is 43-0 when winning game 1 of a series. 43-0 is better than 7-0.

V[/quote]

Ya there’s a bunch of those type of stats on both sides of this series heading into game 7. Definitely going to be one of those ‘a first time for everything’ games in that sense. Lakers won game 1, but Boston split the first 2 on the road(which historically leads to a win). Lakers won game 3 after being tied 1-1 which they’re something like 23-0 after, but then Boston won game 5 after 2-2 tie which they’re like 16-0 after(and something like 89% of teams in playoff history that win a pivotal game 5 win the series).

We could probably come up with stats like this all fuckin day, shit don’t matter and we all know it =]

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Hey how about this, Say Kobe goes for 25-30 tonight and the lakers lose. Does he still deserve the MVP? I mean he has been good nearly every game of the finals and no one on boston has made an impact for more than 1 or two games. Rondo has had 2 games, peirce has had 2 allen has had 1, garnett has had 1, shreck and donkey had 1. I mean it seems to me like Kobe has by far been the most valuable player playing on the court day in and day out. Could they give it to him in a loss?

V

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WTF is vegita doing in here??? He’s gunna shit on the carpet and chew up someone’s shoe!

Get outta here!! Go on… Get!!!

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
WTF is vegita doing in here??? He’s gunna shit on the carpet and chew up someone’s shoe!

Get outta here!! Go on… Get!!! [/quote]

I’m housetrained, also I don’t chew shoes, I did however just get a new chew toy. It’s one of those little troll dolls, it’s got brown skin, and he came with a shovel, a rake, a wheelbarrel and some burritos.

V

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
celtics have history on their side.They have never lost a game 7 of the nba finals. They are 7-0 in game 7 of the nba finals and 5 of those victories were against the lakers,last one being in 1984.

The reffs are gonna let both teams duke it out and that will play into the c’s advantage. C’s win tomorrow 106-98. [/quote]

Yes, but isn’t Phil Jackson like 47-0 or something when his team takes the first game of a series?

I think that history is a little more compelling than 7-0.

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Aww thats really great V! Now if we can just teach you to stop humping the lil troll you’ll be golden.

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You like … errr I mean the little troll likes it.

V

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WTF am I doing. This is the playoffs thread, the ONLY thread I’m not okay with highjacking.

Hmm… how can I remedy this??

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This’ll work!

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
celtics have history on their side.They have never lost a game 7 of the nba finals. They are 7-0 in game 7 of the nba finals and 5 of those victories were against the lakers,last one being in 1984.

The reffs are gonna let both teams duke it out and that will play into the c’s advantage. C’s win tomorrow 106-98. [/quote]

Phil Jackson is 43-0 when winning game 1 of a series. 43-0 is better than 7-0.

V[/quote]

Ah, didn’t catch this before my post.

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im looking forward to the same type of performance from the Lakers in game 7. They have dominated the Celtcis 2 out of the 3 games in staples center so far in the finals and the one game they lose was really close and that was with Kobe being strapped with fouls (a lot of them phantom fouls)…

They’ll come out just like they have in every game of these finals at home and barring a referee melt down they’ll take it to the C’s. The Celtics bench was huuuuge in their close wins in Boston and doesnt even show up in LA.

.greg.

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Anyone going to LA Live to watch the game? I’ve never been, but I hear it’s the next best thing to the staples center for watching the game.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
This’ll work![/quote]

Am I helping you up, or are you bowing down to me? (I’m assuming I am Kobe).

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
celtics have history on their side.They have never lost a game 7 of the nba finals. They are 7-0 in game 7 of the nba finals and 5 of those victories were against the lakers,last one being in 1984.

The reffs are gonna let both teams duke it out and that will play into the c’s advantage. C’s win tomorrow 106-98. [/quote]

Phil Jackson is 43-0 when winning game 1 of a series. 43-0 is better than 7-0.

V[/quote]

7-0 and 5-0 against the lakers spanning more than 50 years.