Oh Drewh, one more thing. 2010 NBA finals MVP will equal Kobe Bryant, not Gayon Rondo. 
Some scary statistics for Laker Haters. Phil Jackson 47 and 0 when winning game 1, Kobe 26 and 0 when winning game 1, and since the 2-3-2 format started in 1985, the team that won game 3 has won the finals 10 out of 10 times.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Damn! That was a great game. I LOVE the way the Lakers are beating these teams in many different ways in these last few finals. We beat the Suns by playing fast ball, we beat the celtics by establishing our aggression and playing a mid court game, they lost the next game but kobe was crippled with fouls as was odom and we still kept it close, then in this game Bryant was off and couldn’t finish but fisher steps up and so did Lamar.
Lakers 2010 Champions, you can’t deny it.[/quote]
You did not beat the suns playing fast ball when you tried you got killed.[/quote]
actually u r dead wrong once again. They did in fact play fast ball most of the series and beat the Suns at their own game. Seriously, r u retarded?[/quote]
no they didn’t
[quote]randman wrote:
Dude, he had a magnificent game 1, was taken out of game 2 by the refs, and still had a pretty good game 3. Not his most efficent game but his defense, rebounding and hustle plays were also huge tonight.
If you notice over on the sidelines he was the vocal leader for his team tonight. It’s his leadership abilities that are overlooked a lot.
He’ll have many more productive years ahead of him. He’s a tireless worker and will heal up just fine in the offseason. To look at these three games in this finals and then trying to do MJ comparisons is kinda retarded to be honest wih you.
It sounds like you have a veiled agenda looking at these three games by themselves and questioning his MJayness which again isreally retarded. I’ve seen Jordan have plenty of less than perfect playoff games. Whether anyone likes it or not, Kobe is on his wayto catch and possibly surpass Jordan’s championship ring haul.[/quote]
I agree with what you said - Kobe was by no means ineffective. It’s just that MJ is built up to be a God pretty much, and people do overreact, in my opinion, to even 1 bad game, so I was curious as to your views on that. I am admittedly not a hardcore bball fan, and frankly MJ was before my time/interest in bball.
Here’s how it went in my mind:
-MJ is apparently infallible
-Kobe was being compared to MJ until the past few games where he hasn’t been as effective, offensively. Then he was not being compared to MJ.
-I feel like dramatic conclusions off a couple of games are ridiculous, but apparently MJ was so amazing all the time that maybe the fact that Kobe has “bad” games once in a while put him a step below?
-I don’t think my question on injuries need explanation. Kobe’s getting older. At some point in his 30’s, his body will break down or slow down and he will become relatively ineffective. That’s life.
I asked “hard” questions, and based on the shit in this thread, I can see why you automatically assume a veiled agenda. No veiled agenda here, just some naivety. I’m born and raised in LA and always admired Kobe’s dedication, skills, and the fact that he actually plays defense, well. (It boggles my mind how in basketball, some players, such as Iverson and Stoudemire in the past, supposedly “don’t play defense”. What the fuck???)
Just wanted to jump in here and say, if you replay a call to see who it went off off and the only reason one team lost control of the ball is because the other team fouled the hell out of him, there is no way in hell the team that fouled should get the ball. How the fuck does that happen.
If I was the refs I would have went over to doc rivers and said, ok, the ball was off odom, but rondo grabbed one of his arms and pulled it away from the ball, so he made a foul which caused odom to lose control of the ball. Now we can just keep it so it’s the lakers ball, or I can call it off odom and give rondo a foul before the ball went out, so the lakers will still keep the ball/ shoot free throws and your boy picks up another.
Then let Doc make the call.
V
Drewh,
I’m starting to agree with everyone else, you may very well be a troll or truly have NO idea what you are talking about.
Nomorewar,
Too bad we didn’t bet avi’s on this game.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Just wanted to jump in here and say, if you replay a call to see who it went off off and the only reason one team lost control of the ball is because the other team fouled the hell out of him, there is no way in hell the team that fouled should get the ball. How the fuck does that happen.
If I was the refs I would have went over to doc rivers and said, ok, the ball was off odom, but rondo grabbed one of his arms and pulled it away from the ball, so he made a foul which caused odom to lose control of the ball. Now we can just keep it so it’s the lakers ball, or I can call it off odom and give rondo a foul before the ball went out, so the lakers will still keep the ball/ shoot free throws and your boy picks up another.
Then let Doc make the call.
V[/quote]
That really pissed me off. Now the rule states that only the out of bounds call can be reviewed not the fould, BUT the foul wasn’t what was reviewed they were in fact reviewing the out of bounds call when they realized the ball went out of bounds because of an obvious foul. It should have been well within there power to call the foul or refuse to overturn the call. That shit was like a bad joke.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Just wanted to jump in here and say, if you replay a call to see who it went off off and the only reason one team lost control of the ball is because the other team fouled the hell out of him, there is no way in hell the team that fouled should get the ball. How the fuck does that happen.
If I was the refs I would have went over to doc rivers and said, ok, the ball was off odom, but rondo grabbed one of his arms and pulled it away from the ball, so he made a foul which caused odom to lose control of the ball. Now we can just keep it so it’s the lakers ball, or I can call it off odom and give rondo a foul before the ball went out, so the lakers will still keep the ball/ shoot free throws and your boy picks up another.
Then let Doc make the call.
V[/quote]
That really pissed me off. Now the rule states that only the out of bounds call can be reviewed not the fould, BUT the foul wasn’t what was reviewed they were in fact reviewing the out of bounds call when they realized the ball went out of bounds because of an obvious foul. It should have been well within there power to call the foul or refuse to overturn the call. That shit was like a bad joke.
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Thats what I mean, they should have said, NO Odom didn’t lose control of the ball and thus have it go out of bounds, his arm was ripped away from the ball, so the cause of the ball going out of bounds was a celtics player who got away with a foul, we cannot award them the ball in this situation. You don’t have to call the foul, just give some BS reason, like no clear evidence and get on with the game. They either need to allow fouls to be reviewed, or dump the system. It killed the flow of the game, and they got 1 out of 3 calls wrong. The other two went the opposite way they were called, but it favored both teams once, so it was a wash on those two. In the end, the replay Hurt the lakers by one posession, and it was off that bullshit. If there was no replay, even though two calls should have been reversed, the net outcome would have been a more fairly called game.
V
First thing, Bryant was not ineffective last night. Yeah it took him 29 shots to get 29 points, but he had 7 boards, 2 steals, led his team in assists and had 3 blocks. People are gonna hop on and off the MJ comparison bandwagon ad nauseum 'cause like Lavi said peopple remember MJ being infallible. He wasn’t. He had a game in the '93 finals where he took over 40 shots to get his points, and in the '96 finals against the Sonics he had his lowest scoring average ever for the Finals 'cause Gary Payton played great D on him. He had a great game 1, a ref defused game 2, and an off game 3. If [and I believe he will] he has a great game 4 people are gonna jump right back on. That’s sports.
Second, I imagine that they’ll tweak the replay rule. So far, aside from one play it’s only gone in Boston’s favor. It’s brand new so the refs and the players are having to adjust on the fly. They should give each team an extra time-out and have each time you want to question the call it costs you a time-out, something like that. Having some kind of structure will cut down on the unecessary whining and keep the game flowing.
Kobe defenitely wasn’t ineffective, he wasn’t as effiecient has he’d like to have been I’m sure, but he wasn’t ineffective. If you want to talk ineffectiveness how about Paul Peirce and his COMPLETE lack of presence in these finals. There’s times where I almost forget he’s playing, he has not really done offensively to back up all his shit talking.
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Damn! That was a great game. I LOVE the way the Lakers are beating these teams in many different ways in these last few finals. We beat the Suns by playing fast ball, we beat the celtics by establishing our aggression and playing a mid court game, they lost the next game but kobe was crippled with fouls as was odom and we still kept it close, then in this game Bryant was off and couldn’t finish but fisher steps up and so did Lamar.
Lakers 2010 Champions, you can’t deny it.[/quote]
You did not beat the suns playing fast ball when you tried you got killed.[/quote]
actually u r dead wrong once again. They did in fact play fast ball most of the series and beat the Suns at their own game. Seriously, r u retarded?[/quote]
no they didn’t[/quote]
You are the biggest fucking troll on this thread. Multiple people (including me) on this thread, multiple analysts, etc all say the Lakers beat the Suns at their own game.
Do a fucking search on “Lakers beat Suns at their own game” and you get dozens of analyst links.
http://www.scrippsnews.net/content/patton-lakers-beat-suns-their-own-game
These Western Conference Finals is going to get harder for the Los Angeles Lakers. It has to.
Because it can’t get any easier than Game 1.
After all, the one thing the Lakers were supposed to avoid was an up-tempo, running game against Phoenix, which would play into the Suns’ one strength.
Hmmm, that was the Suns’ strength? Do they have a Plan B?
Now STFU!
[quote]lavi wrote:
Here’s how it went in my mind:
-MJ is apparently infallible
-Kobe was being compared to MJ until the past few games where he hasn’t been as effective, offensively. Then he was not being compared to MJ.
-I feel like dramatic conclusions off a couple of games are ridiculous, but apparently MJ was so amazing all the time that maybe the fact that Kobe has “bad” games once in a while put him a step below?
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It’s amazing how everyone thinks MJ was “so amazing” every single game. Guess what? He wasn’t. He had terrible games in the finals. But the guy built up a body of work that was incredible and achieved GOAT. As time passes, peoples memories reflect on the whole body of work and tend to forget some of those “bad” games.
I agree that he will eventually slow down. But if you looked at this whole playoffs this has been his most effective run of his career. The guy is the hardest worker in the offseason bar none. He eats, lives and breathes this game. His injuries will heal and I still think he has at least 3 or 4 real productive years left and he has stated he would like to play until he’s 40 and the way he keeps in shape I could see it. Obviously in those last few years he would play more of a DFish Leadership role and not be the Kobe he is now. This guy can win a lot more championships before all is said and done.
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I asked “hard” questions, and based on the shit in this thread, I can see why you automatically assume a veiled agenda. No veiled agenda here, just some naivety. I’m born and raised in LA and always admired Kobe’s dedication, skills, and the fact that he actually plays defense, well. (It boggles my mind how in basketball, some players, such as Iverson and Stoudemire in the past, supposedly “don’t play defense”. What the fuck???)[/quote]
Yeah, sorry about that. There are so many Kobe haterz out there that is what I assumed in this case. My mistake.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Kobe defenitely wasn’t ineffective, he wasn’t as effiecient has he’d like to have been I’m sure, but he wasn’t ineffective. If you want to talk ineffectiveness how about Paul Peirce and his COMPLETE lack of presence in these finals. There’s times where I almost forget he’s playing, he has not really done offensively to back up all his shit talking. [/quote]
Exactly, he has the biggest mouth in these finals and he hasn’t delivered shit. God, I hate that guy. Biggest drama queen and can’t back up the shit he talks.
^ So do you give all the props to Artest or is Peirce just not doing enough to get his??
If he continues to be shut out like this Artest may end up being one of the largest contributing factors to the Lakers championship and will probably not get the credit he deserves. He is a beast on D!
Still pisses me off on the offensive side of the house though! lol
^ Both. Artest has definitely earned his weight in gold regardless of his horrible offensive play the last two games. I find myself shouting at the screen telling the Lakers not to pass him the ball on offense or when he does get the ball for him to pass it off himself and not dribble or shoot! 
I have no doubt in my mind that getting Artest for Ariza was the best move we could make. No doubt. Even with his occasional offensive follies. What Artest has done in each of this series can NOT be overstated. And if we had Ariza right now, I believe Pierce would be having a field day and might be a tipping factor.
But it’s also Pierce, the drama queen, just not showing up either. I just don’t see how you can flap your gums like that when you aren’t delivering at all. And he wanted to be known as one of the all time great Celtics? Yeah, right.
Too bad we didn’t have the ability to “vote off” posters from posting in a particular thread if a majority ruled. Now that functionality would be awesome on here. I would imagine that the only one who would be voted off would be Drewh. Ha ha.
Imagine how less polluted this thread would be without his useless drivel. ;0
^ Mindless drivel forces you to post your stats and links to interesting articles, so I really don’t mind too much. Makes for an interesting read.
By the way everyone. We have Lamar Odom back!!!
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
^ So do you give all the props to Artest or is Peirce just not doing enough to get his??
If he continues to be shut out like this Artest may end up being one of the largest contributing factors to the Lakers championship and will probably not get the credit he deserves. He is a beast on D!
Still pisses me off on the offensive side of the house though! lol[/quote]
It’s a bit of both. Pierce had a good game statistically in game 1, but the numbers are misleading 'cause more than a handful of his points came when the game was already decided. Artest is bigger, stronger, gets in Pierces ass and doesn’t give him a chance to get in his “stance” to face up and make a play. Pierce has had a pretty mediocre playoffs overall. He had a bad series against Cleveland and is now disappearing when his team needs him most. Artest still doesn’t understand how to play winning basketball and makes some absolutely boneheaded decisions on offense, but he seems to always redeem himself with hustle plays and defense. The Lakers perimeter D [aside from game 2] as a team has been pretty damn good this series. I just feel like they’re a better team than the Celtics, and I think the Celtics are starting to realize it. If we can just get one game where the big dogs from both teams contribute I’ll be ecstatic. I was impressed with the Lakers ability to stave off a C’s comeback last night. Everytime it looked like the C’s were about to make a run the Lakers got it done on D, and then went to the other end and made a play. Last night was awesome.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
^ Mindless drivel forces you to post your stats and links to interesting articles, so I really don’t mind too much. Makes for an interesting read.[/quote]
Now that’s a positive way to look at it. Ok drewh, continue on with your mindless drivel. ;0