[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
49ersFan81 wrote:
I hope the 9ers take Quentin Groves, Gosder Cherilus, or DeSean Jackson in the first round.
DeSean Jackson is garbage. He’s incredibly small and weak. He weighed in at 169lbs at the Combine…[/quote]
Incredibly small, yes, weak, maybe, garbage, fuck no. if nothing else, he will be a devin hester-like punt returner
[quote]49ersFan81 wrote:
Manningham over Sweed? Hmm dont know about that. Manningham ran like a 4.7 on his pro-day or whatever and to top that off he has character issues.
If most mocks have Groves going in the 2nd…then I’d want this:
1st round - Gosder Cherilus
2nd round - Quentin Groves
wow that would be awesome. Its not a “sexy” draft but it hits our needs…protection of our QB…and a pass rusher.
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no, you guys need james hardy, wr, indiana. 6’7 225 and can run
The Bengals are ill-advised in keeping Chad Johnson, even if the trade was just ONE first-round pick and a third-rounder. The man is a fucking media hog cry-baby. Sure, he puts up numbers on the field, whooptee fucking doo. All he ever does is talk, talk, talk. I feel like everyone in America is starting to get sick of Ocho Cinco, and the sooner that happens, the better. Houshmanzilla is a terrific talent, and if they could get some sort of receiver in the second round, they’d probably be just fine. I think they have some dude named Palmer, I think he’s supposed to be a decent quarterback.
/end Chad Johnson’s a douche-bag rant.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
Troy Smith beat the Steelers in the season finale. I distinctly remember screaming at the TV for a full 3 hours.
Oh then good. So he DID win a game. More credibility to my argument. For their own sake, I really hope they don’t pick up a QB.
BTW, your Steelers looked real good last season. They need an OG since Faneca left, right?[/quote]
yes, i hope jeff otah can fall to us.
[quote]SSC wrote:
The Bengals are ill-advised in keeping Chad Johnson, even if the trade was just ONE first-round pick and a third-rounder. The man is a fucking media hog cry-baby. Sure, he puts up numbers on the field, whooptee fucking doo. All he ever does is talk, talk, talk. I feel like everyone in America is starting to get sick of Ocho Cinco, and the sooner that happens, the better. Houshmanzilla is a terrific talent, and if they could get some sort of receiver in the second round, they’d probably be just fine. I think they have some dude named Palmer, I think he’s supposed to be a decent quarterback.
/end Chad Johnson’s a douche-bag rant.[/quote]
Chad Johnson was one of my fantasy WR’s last year, and I can say that NO he does not “put up numbers”. He sucked balls and I won’t draft him again. Houshmanzada though, I’m going to buy his fucking jersey and use it as pajamas.
I would be happy with Chris Long at #5. I think there are quite few guys they could go with here that be fine. Long, Gholston, Dorsey, There will be someone there to pick. I don’t know if they’ll go for Ryan or not. Peterson will probably trade out for Chad Johnson or something. If anything like that happens I’m gone. Hello Raiders fandom!!!
[quote]btm62 wrote:
I would be happy with Chris Long at #5. I think there are quite few guys they could go with here that be fine. Long, Gholston, Dorsey, There will be someone there to pick. I don’t know if they’ll go for Ryan or not. Peterson will probably trade out for Chad Johnson or something. If anything like that happens I’m gone. Hello Raiders fandom!!![/quote]
In my book, Long and Gholston are neck-and-neck, with Long edging him out by just a hair. Dorsey is a good player and I truly think he very well could be a great DT, but you can’t go wrong with Long or Gholston. The thing is, you’ll be VERY lucky if either of them fall to you. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorsey did, but not Long or Gholston.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
In my book, Long and Gholston are neck-and-neck, with Long edging him out by just a hair. Dorsey is a good player and I truly think he very well could be a great DT, but you can’t go wrong with Long or Gholston. The thing is, you’ll be VERY lucky if either of them fall to you. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorsey did, but not Long or Gholston.[/quote]
I give Long the nod because of intelligence. There is a slim chance he will be there. That chance increases greatly if the Rams take Dorsey. The Falcons like Ryan and the Raiders will likely take McFadden. Long won’t get past the Chiefs.
Gholston is pretty likely to be there. The biggest threat to take him is the Jets trading up, but that won’t happen.
Somebody could also surprise us and take Sedrick Ellis in there somewhere.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
SSC wrote:
The Bengals are ill-advised in keeping Chad Johnson, even if the trade was just ONE first-round pick and a third-rounder. The man is a fucking media hog cry-baby. Sure, he puts up numbers on the field, whooptee fucking doo. All he ever does is talk, talk, talk. I feel like everyone in America is starting to get sick of Ocho Cinco, and the sooner that happens, the better. Houshmanzilla is a terrific talent, and if they could get some sort of receiver in the second round, they’d probably be just fine. I think they have some dude named Palmer, I think he’s supposed to be a decent quarterback.
/end Chad Johnson’s a douche-bag rant.
Chad Johnson was one of my fantasy WR’s last year, and I can say that NO he does not “put up numbers”. He sucked balls and I won’t draft him again. Houshmanzada though, I’m going to buy his fucking jersey and use it as pajamas.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ll give you that. CJ’s numbers weren’t quite as impressive as they had been the previous two years.
As for the Gholston vs. Long debate, I’d have to say that Gholson is going to be a great pro, (Buckeyes in the first round are usually fairly legit, unfortunately,) but Long is probably the better athlete, especially considering the pedigree. I don’t think either team would be pissed if they got one rather than the other, but if I were the Rams I’d probably have to take Gholston, just because of the dynamic he can provide with Carricker (sp?)
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
btm62 wrote:
I would be happy with Chris Long at #5. I think there are quite few guys they could go with here that be fine. Long, Gholston, Dorsey, There will be someone there to pick. I don’t know if they’ll go for Ryan or not. Peterson will probably trade out for Chad Johnson or something. If anything like that happens I’m gone. Hello Raiders fandom!!!
In my book, Long and Gholston are neck-and-neck, with Long edging him out by just a hair. Dorsey is a good player and I truly think he very well could be a great DT, but you can’t go wrong with Long or Gholston. The thing is, you’ll be VERY lucky if either of them fall to you. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorsey did, but not Long or Gholston.[/quote]
only problem is that gholston’s whole stock is because of what he looks like and his combine stats, not his actual play (not completely but you get my drift), while long’s stock is due more to his actual play. that’s my only concern with gholston, he’s been known to disappear at times
props for all the comments in this thread too, good job padilla
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Xeneize wrote:
You are exactly right as to their motivation, but it seems as though they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. He’s being an asshole, but hey, get rid of that asshole and help yourself out in the process. Having a pissing match doesn’t do them a bit of good.
I honestly don’t know what they’re going to do. They went out on a limb and straight up told the Eagles and other teams that a trade was out of the question. Part of me thinks they’re trying to get maximum possible value out of this, but another part of me thinks that they really don’t want to trade him.
2 first round picks is a GREAT deal. However, they dropped Chris Henry, so really, they only have Chad and Housh. Without Chad, it’s only Housh, and since it’s only Housh, it’s really no one, because everyone knows to cover him. There’s no WRs in this Draft, so they’re in quite a rut as far as personnel goes. They need defense, but a good work-in-progress defense is nothing with a work-in-progress offense, which is what they’d have if they got rid of Chad.[/quote]
Knowing the Bengals, they’d probably screw up the draft picks anyway.
Padilla,
I’ve enjoyed reading your take on things. Good stuff.
[quote]Xeneize wrote:
Knowing the Bengals, they’d probably screw up the draft picks anyway.[/quote]
Akili Smith, anyone?
And about Chad Johnson: this past year was one of the best he’s had in recent years. His numbers ARE NOT going down. He set team receiving records last season. Here are his stats from the past 3 seasons (receptions, yards, TDs):
2005: 97, 1432, 9
2006: 87, 1369, 7
2007: 93, 1440, 8
So, as far as fantasy is concerned, yes, there would definitely be a point drop based on basic scoring, but overall, his production has gone up. My fantasy football leagues are all custom scoring so everything balances out, and I haven’t noticed anything bad about Chad. Stock scoring sucks.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
Troy Smith beat the Steelers in the season finale. I distinctly remember screaming at the TV for a full 3 hours.
Oh then good. So he DID win a game. More credibility to my argument. For their own sake, I really hope they don’t pick up a QB.
BTW, your Steelers looked real good last season. They need an OG since Faneca left, right?[/quote]
We need help all over the O-line (LT, LG, C are weak spots), depth at DE (Kirschke is a POS), a safety to play opposite Polamalu (Anthony Smith is fucking garbage), a corner (Deshea is 33), and a KR/PR (Willie Reid is a bust). Everyone we draft should have extensive special teams experience, because our kick coverage units lost us about 3 games last year, including the playoff game to JAX.
That’s 7 players, and we only have 6 picks. I’d like to see us trade down in Round 1, because I don’t think we can get any of the first round talent at OL at 23, and trading up shouldn’t be an option. I can see us giving up the 23rd pick to Atlanta if they want to get back into the first round to take Brohm. They could give us next year’s first, this year’s 2 and a 4 or 5. It would be pretty much identical to the Dallas/Cleveland deal last year.
But, if Branden Albert or Jeff Otah is there at 23, we should take them. Second round should be a safety. Anthony Smith and Tyrone Carter fucking killed our secondary last year.
Isn’t Anthony Smith the idiot who talked all that shit to the Patriots?
Kenny Phillips might be a worthy pick out of Miami in the second round, but I don’t know how early he’ll go. Personally, I think the Giants should pick him up, but I doubt that’ll happen. And you guys should pick up a guard to replace Faneca. Fill that whole first, then go from there.
I have a problem with the Chad Johnson hate. I despise Terrell Owens but I’ve always defended Randy Moss (except for some of his Oakland antics) because I felt like he played, and didn’t stab his teammates in the back.
We don’t fully understand the Chad Johnson situation. No one fully understands the CJ situation but CJ, the Bengals front-office and that shithead Drew Rosenhaus. He was great even when his team wasn’t, and I find it hard to believe that this is just some unhappy player who wants to go play for a championship contender. He seems to want out of that organization all together, and I have to believe there’s a reason for that we aren’t aware of. I’ll try and withhold my judgment on CJ until then.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
We don’t fully understand the Chad Johnson situation. No one fully understands the CJ situation but CJ, the Bengals front-office and that shithead Drew Rosenhaus. He was great even when his team wasn’t, and I find it hard to believe that this is just some unhappy player who wants to go play for a championship contender. He seems to want out of that organization all together, and I have to believe there’s a reason for that we aren’t aware of. I’ll try and withhold my judgment on CJ until then.[/quote]
Oh, I agree with you, I think the media and general public are missing a few key points. However, he’s acting like a child, and that’s something I can’t stand. He keeps calling everyone out and bitching to the media. He needs to be professional.
And I agree. Rosenhaus is a good agent (he got McGahee drafted when he had a torn ACL) but a Grade A moron.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Isn’t Anthony Smith the idiot who talked all that shit to the Patriots?
Kenny Phillips might be a worthy pick out of Miami in the second round, but I don’t know how early he’ll go. Personally, I think the Giants should pick him up, but I doubt that’ll happen. And you guys should pick up a guard to replace Faneca. Fill that whole first, then go from there.
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Yeah, Anthony Smith talked shit and then got scorched for two fucking TDs in that game. He got burnt numerous other times throughout the year. He wouldn’t even be on the field if Ryan Clark hadn’t gone down with a ruptured spleen.
Everyone thinks we need a guard, but I think we could move Willie Colon, our starting RT last year, to LG this year and he would be better off. Then Max Starks could step in at RT (he started there in 05 and 06). Hopefully Justin Hartwig works out at C this year after the Mahan disaster last year. Man, that guy is a piece of dogshit.
If all those moves work, and Marvel Smith’s surgically repaired back holds up, then our O-line will be better this year, even with Faneca gone, without drafting any help. That said, I would rather see them try to pick up some depth in rounds 2-4 than reach for a second round talent at OL midway through round 1. I don’t think any of the top OL talent will be there at 23, and we’d be better off getting the best athlete available, as long as that isn’t a QB or RB.
Mahan sucks bro. He was on the Bucs for a while, he’s garbage, as you have evidenced. And I don’t know your team in and out like you do. I see Faneca leaving and I assume you need a guard.
The thing I love about the OL is that you can pretty much swap people around as you see fit. Sure, each position is different, but not entirely, and if you can move your feet, you can succeed.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Mahan sucks bro. He was on the Bucs for a while, he’s garbage, as you have evidenced. And I don’t know your team in and out like you do. I see Faneca leaving and I assume you need a guard.
The thing I love about the OL is that you can pretty much swap people around as you see fit. Sure, each position is different, but not entirely, and if you can move your feet, you can succeed.
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Do you know anything about Justin Hartwig? I’m really hoping he’ll be a few steps up from Mahan.