[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Tavaris is a solid QB. He can manage a game and he definitely doesn’t lose games. However, he doesn’t win them either. He’s efficient at best, but nothing out of the ordinary. I honestly think that if they gave him receivers, he’d be a much better QB (that’s obvious). I’d get him passing weapons before giving up on him entirely. Like you said, he’s no Garrad, but at the same time, I REALLY hope Garrard can keep it going. I love the guy, he’s one of my favorite players solely because of his determination and leadership abilities.[/quote]
Not losing games is half the battle, and immediately makes him better than probably 2/3rds of the quarterbacks in the NFL. I’m dead serious. When you have Adrian Peterson, and you’re building a defense, give me a game manager. I don’t need Tom Brady because if I try to get Tom Brady I’m more likely to get Rex Grossman. I need a field general.
I had no idea what happened to LenDale White other than I saw him as great in college and then I saw him in a professional game and I had to ask somebody who it was. He looked totally different and he played totally different. Young has no arm, which is really unfortunately because he obviously has heart and legs. I wonder if he can’t do something else down the road, like they were talking about sharing time between Vick and Schaub, with Vick being a split with Dunn while Schaub was behind center. I don’t know if that would’ve worked, but Vince Young has talent even if it’s not as a quarterback.
I guarantee you that Big-10 and Pac-10 journalists and commentators will not allow Tebow to get 3, no matter how deserving he may be.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Vince Young only single-handedly won one game for the Tennessee Titans in his career. In the first season he won a game on a scramble, but the rest of the wins his rookie season was by proponent of a highly underrated defense. Not only that, but his TD/INT ratio has been terrible, and he’s looking like he may be fragile.
= Most overrated player in the NFL in the last five years![/quote]
I disagree, especially about his first two years. Their defense was good, yes, but without Vince Young they would have scored no points unless they were banking on their defense scoring 21 a game. They could not have put a pocket passer in there because they had no one to pass to and the offensive line was almost Houston-level bad.
He won games through ridiculous plays that a good team should not have to use, and he’s one of the few people that could have made those plays work. Now that I think the Titans are better developed he’s a negative (just like Vick carried the Falcons and then they developed and realized he can’t be a pocket pass), but for a time he was the only reason to watch the Titans play football.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Not losing games is half the battle, and immediately makes him better than probably 2/3rds of the quarterbacks in the NFL. I’m dead serious. When you have Adrian Peterson, and you’re building a defense, give me a game manager. I don’t need Tom Brady because if I try to get Tom Brady I’m more likely to get Rex Grossman. I need a field general.[/quote]
Like I said, give him WRs and a TE and this team will be set. He’s good enough to not lose games with no help except for his RBs and defense, so if you give him passing weapons he will be a good QB and will complete the team.
I thought White was going to be a good player, I thought he had it in him. I was wrong. He’s extremely lazy and arrogant, a horrible combination for someone with so much raw talent. They’ll give Young another year or two and if things don’t shape up then, they’ll ship him out to another team and start over. Good luck to them.
Unfortunately, yes. A lot of Mid-American and West Coast voters won’t vote for him simply because they don’t see him play in person or on a regular basis. Mark my words, he WILL deserve 3 though.
Add me to the list of people who don’t understand the hoopla about Ryan. He looked like an above-average QB at BC, nothing more. He threw 19 picks as a SR! I realize that BC didn’t have a whole lot of talent around him, but c’mon. #1 overall’s should totally dominate in college, not be “just decent” like Ryan was.
RE: Malcom Kelly. I’m an OU fan, so I’ve been able to watch Kelly grow the last couple of years. Since he’s a Sooner, I’m hesitant to really bash him, but I’ll just say that he does not have the fire in him. He has all the talent in the world, but I just don’t think he’s willing to lay it all out on the line for his team. I think he’s in it for the money.
In 2007, he was completely unstoppable for the first half of the season. Totally. Unstoppable. Then, after the Texas game, he decided he was going pro and shut it down for the rest of the season. Kelly half-assing it took a huge weapon from OU, and that cost the Sooners down the stretch.
His temper-tantrum at OU’s pro day a couple of weeks really didn’t help.
RE: DeSean Jackson to the 49ers. NOOO! I realize that SF desperately needs WR’s, but they really don’t need a streaky prima donna that is smaller than my morning bowel movement. His speed and playmaking ability are intriguing, but there’s too much flash and not enough substance to justify a high draft pick on him.
Picks like that are the reason SF has sucked so hard for the last few years.
Picking Groves in the first round might be a reach, but I liked him a lot at Auburn. Intense, relentless and athletic. I like that pick.
Vince Young was also a late-bloomer at Texas. In his first year-and-a-half as a starter, he could run like the wind, but couldn’t hit water from a boat as a passer.
Texas got shut out by OU in 2004 primarily because Vince couldn’t throw worth a damn.
But in the 2nd half of 2004, and all of 2005, VY figured it out and became a transcendent QB. Just a total beast of a QB.
He’s shown flashes of that at Tennessee. Enough so, that I’d be willing to give him a little bit longer than most other QB’s before declaring him a lost cause.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Vince Young only single-handedly won one game for the Tennessee Titans in his career. In the first season he won a game on a scramble, but the rest of the wins his rookie season was by proponent of a highly underrated defense. Not only that, but his TD/INT ratio has been terrible, and he’s looking like he may be fragile.
= Most overrated player in the NFL in the last five years![/quote]
When people start blasting Young, I play a game called “List off people he can throw it to”.
[quote]schanz_05 wrote:
This might shake the draft up a bit…
It’s official
Chiefs and Vikings have agreed on terms to trade Jared Allen to the vikings…
No details til the deal is finalized tomorrow
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As a Viking’s fan…I like this ALOT.
My only concern is that ownership was determined to only bring in high character guys to our team, and as some of you probably know, Allen’s had some issues in the past. Specifically drinking issues.
Hopefully he’ll put it behind him.
The only other thing I don’t like about this is that since I’m a huge draft nut, it’s going to stink having to miss out and quite a few picks. Last I heard it was our 1st and 3rd this year, and our 2nd next year. That’s alot of picks, danget! I guess at the end of the day, whatever makes your team better is the way to go. DE is a huge need for us, and I’m glad we’re finally fulfilling it.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Kalle wrote:
I want Chris long or Gohlston.
The Longs are the best players in the Draft, period. I’ve already spoken highly about Jake, and I think the same of Chris. There’s just something about him, you can tell in the way he plays and interviews, he’s going to be a good player. Same with Gohlston. In my opinion, It’s either Long or Gohlston, but if the Raiders have the option (read: if the Rams don’t), they should take Long. Like father, like son.[/quote]
Agreed, I meant I would like them to take Long if he is available. If not Gohlston.
Plus new Long Raider jerseys sales would be insane. Yes I guarantee Al Davis thinks of these things.
ESPN just reported the Jared Allen trade. The Vikings just got a hell of a lot better and the Chiefs just got exponentially worse. I sure hope KC can draft well.
Oh hell yeah Al Davis thinks of money. He needs to recover the money he’s blowing on the overpaid and overrated DBs he picked up this offseason (DeAngelo Hall and my boy, Gibril Wilson). A Long in a Raiders jersey would be crazy.
Minnesota just got a hell of a deal. Lifelong Chiefs fan and I’m just about ready to go down and shoot Carl Peterson myself. I’m trying to stay positive, but who is gonna be around at #17 that makes this so attractive? Let’s see no corners, suspect safeties, 1 good linebacker, the strength of the defense is the line which frankly could use better tackles, Brody Croyle is not the future, Larry Johnson is problem waiting to happen, no line left. 1 good receiver, 1 good TE and a punter is what they have. Its gonna be a long rebuild.
I was kind of hoping for Jake Long to fall to KC, but I’m really liking Gholston. He’ll probably go Rams. I don’t like Ryan for a QB. Its just a hunch, but I don’t see it. I think Brohm later on might be the way to go if you want a QB. I can see them stocking draft picks because their needs were so great, but I’m a defense guy and I love guys who play with heart and intensity. Jared, we will miss ye!
[quote]btm62 wrote:
Minnesota just got a hell of a deal. Lifelong Chiefs fan and I’m just about ready to go down and shoot Carl Peterson myself.[/quote]
You’re getting a LOT of Draft picks though. There is light at the end of the tunnel. You need to draft a DE, Long or Gohlston will do, preferably the former. Either one will pretty much replace Allen, though you’d ideally want both Allen and a rookie of their calibre.
At the 17th pick, I think you pick the best available player. You have a lot of needs, but there’s no point in reaching to patch anything up. Theoretically, you’ll suck again this year and get an even HIGHER pick, so you’ll be able to help yourselves a year from now. Two first and third round picks this year and two second round picks next year. If all goes well, those have the potential to be a solid group of 6 core players to bring you guys to the next level.
But like I said before, I hope you can draft well.
There’s a lot of VY bashing on this board, and I think it may be a little premature to write him off. There’s no arguing his numbers are less than impressive, but he doesn’t exactly have a plethora of weapons.
He’s got a fat slob for a running back and a receiving corps that can’t catch a cold. I watched a lot of their games last year and to see those brickhand WR constantly drop balls thrown right into their hands was painful.
Vince’s real strengths are the intangibles… he wants to win, numbers be damned, he’s not afraid to fail and he’s got great football instincts and leadership ability.
Sure he has a long way to go and struggles to read defenses, but I think he’s only going to get better.
As for the Jared Allen trade, now that’s a sweet deal, especially for Minnesota. As a Vikings fan, I am happy as shit to see them address that DE situation, even if it means sacrificing that first-round pick.