I hope the 9ers take Quentin Groves, Gosder Cherilus, or DeSean Jackson in the first round.
I prefer a pass rusher like Groves because a 3-4 defense aint shit without some legit pass rushers…but if they want Alex Smith to succeed they need to protect him first so O-Line may take priority too. Also, I think a guy like James Hardy or even Early Doucet may fall to 39 (Second round) so we can pick up a good WR to fit Martz’s system. A solid O-Lineman like Sam Baker (in the second) or ONeil Cousins (in the third…doubt he’d fall that far but you never know) would be good too.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
schanz_05 wrote:
Jared Allen had 15.5 sacks last season… the most in the nfl
oh yeah… he did it in 14 games too
Osi is great, but last year jared allen was better
True. But I’m hearing that they want to trade Allen to the Vikings. They’d be idiots if they did. The Chiefs need help, but they’re not as far from contending as people think. Sure, they could use the draft picks, but Allen is someone you just don’t give up.[/quote]
I appreciate the optimism, but we have a long ways to go before we can compete.
We need 3 new O-line starters, a FB, a WR, a TE to backup Gonzalez, a DT(or two), a DE if Allen gets traded, a CB (or two, Surtain is nearing the end), and our safeties have question marks. We do have a good set of LB’s though, until Edwards retires. Oh yeah, we need a kicker too, unless you think Billy Cundiff or Nick Novack can cut it.
IM(biased)O, we do have the best punter in the league, which will definitely come in handy when he kicks it 8 times a game.
Just a couple random thoughts, great for the Dolphins for making the right pick. On the contrary, Darren McFadden, Glen Dorsey, and Matt Ryan are going to be big busts in the NFL. McFadden is too weak and gets brought down with arm-tackles, Dorsey didn’t show me any sort of real explosiveness this year and certainly didn’t have any numbers to back up his status, but I know stats don’t make everything. As for Matt Ryan, I don’t see someone who can read defenses on the fly. Look at his play and his real numbers, they’re not all that impressive. He played in the freaking ACC, too.
Padilla was talking about Kevin Smith earlier, and I gotta agree wtih him. He is vastly underrated, along with Felix Jones. I think Kevin Smith can make a great compliment in a two-back system, but he’s definitely going to have to put on some weight when he gets to the NFL.
[quote]SSC wrote:
As for Matt Ryan, I don’t see someone who can read defenses on the fly. Look at his play and his real numbers, they’re not all that impressive.[/quote]
I don’t get the hype for Matt Ryan. Everyone’s like “he’s so accurate,” but if you watch video, he stairs down the defender. His best games came against teams with horrible defenses. Big surprise there.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Falcons: Ryan
I think this QB class is collectively horrible. Everyone says Matt Ryan is the best, but I’m not sure. Personally, I think Henne has the best chance at being the best in the Draft.
On QBs, I hate how all the “experts” are saying that the Ravens need a QB in the Draft. Did anyone watch Troy Smith play last season? He balled it up, even though I don’t think he’s won a game. He’s the real deal, and they’re fools if they listen to the media.[/quote]
Agreed on all counts. I think that that’s who they’re gonna take, not who I think is best.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Glen Dorsey, and Matt Ryan are going to be big busts in the NFL. McFadden is too weak and gets brought down with arm-tackles, Dorsey didn’t show me any sort of real explosiveness this year and certainly didn’t have any numbers to back up his status, but I know stats don’t make everything.[/quote]
Dorsey needs to gain weight, but I think he’ll be a good NFL starter. Unfortunately he’s been hyped as the next Warren Sapp, which I wouldn’t wish on any college kid.
[quote]Xeneize wrote:
I’m on the Matt Ryan is not-that-great bandwagon. Not a great draft year for QBs.[/quote]
Last year was pretty horrible too, unless you’re one of those people who think Brady Quinn is the second coming of Joe Namath. Russell could end up okay, but I never had any idea how he could be a 1.
Cutler/Young/Leinart/Jackson in 06 make these last two years look absolutely awful in comparison, and with the exception of Tebow I don’t know who’s great that might come out next year.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Xeneize wrote:
Cutler/Young/Leinart/Jackson in 06 make these last two years look absolutely awful in comparison, and with the exception of Tebow I don’t know who’s great that might come out next year.[/quote]
Yeah, and even that class was overrated. Young is terrible, I don’t think I even need to justify that claim. Cutler, Leinart, and Jackson all haven’t turned it on yet.
Tebow, on the other hand, is a fucking badass… 400+ bench.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Last year was pretty horrible too, unless you’re one of those people who think Brady Quinn is the second coming of Joe Namath. Russell could end up okay, but I never had any idea how he could be a 1.[/quote]
No, Russell is a waste of time and money. He just doesn’t have it. I know Brady Quinn faltered in the big games in college, but Charlie Weis groomed him into a good pro-calibre QB. I think it was great that he got the year off to stay on the sidelines and watch and learn. It was done with Carson Palmer, and look how that turned out. Quinn isn’t the next Namath, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Russell
Cutler and Leinart are clearly the best out of that group. Leinart is still undecided, but he was injured last year, which is unfortunate, as I thought that he legitimately had a chance to validate himself in that offense. Tavaris Jackson isn’t great by any stretch of the imagination, and Young is incredibly overhyped it’s insane. He can’t throw the ball if his life depends on it, and in a way, it does.
Lastly, it’s a pretty well-known fact (especially in Florida) that Tebow is staying all 4 years to get his degree. He’s pretty much guaranteed 3 straight Heisman Trophies and a lock as the most unanimous #1 overall pick ever when he does go pro.
[quote]49ersFan81 wrote:
29: Quentin Groves
39: Best O-Lineman Available
Third Round: Donnie Avery??? If he falls that far…I hope.[/quote]
You’re overvaluing Groves. He’s projected to be a 2nd Rounder by most mock drafts…going to the 49ers in almost all of them. In the first round, the 49ers should get Malcolm Kelly, WR from Oklahoma. The WR class is ridiculously thin (this is clearly a defense and OL year), but in my opinion, Malcolm Kelly or Mario Manningham are the best bets.
I hate how Combine numbers raise or lower stock, unless it makes sense. Manningham and Kelly don’t have great track speed, but last time I checked track speed was pointless unless you’ve already broken away from the pack. Both have great football speed and would be solid fits in a Mike Martz offense. Plus, they’d learn from one of the best WRs of this time, Isaac Bruce, so they’d have a one-up on the rest of the class in that regard.
Edit: Limas Sweed might work too. I’ve seen him play in person, he straight plays. I’d still pick Kelly or Manningham over him though.
[quote]Kalle wrote:
I want Chris long or Gohlston.[/quote]
The Longs are the best players in the Draft, period. I’ve already spoken highly about Jake, and I think the same of Chris. There’s just something about him, you can tell in the way he plays and interviews, he’s going to be a good player. Same with Gohlston. In my opinion, It’s either Long or Gohlston, but if the Raiders have the option (read: if the Rams don’t), they should take Long. Like father, like son.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
No, Russell is a waste of time and money. He just doesn’t have it. I know Brady Quinn faltered in the big games in college, but Charlie Weis groomed him into a good pro-calibre QB. I think it was great that he got the year off to stay on the sidelines and watch and learn. It was done with Carson Palmer, and look how that turned out. Quinn isn’t the next Namath, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Russell[/quote]
Russell hasn’t played his entire career, and his team is the Oakland Raiders. Their defense may be fine, but you put any quarterback in that system and he’s going to suck ass. It always felt to me like Russell came of absolutely nowhere to be 1, and even as an SEC guy I couldn’t understand how he went above where I thought he would, which I considered generous (late first round).
How can you possibly say Quinn is better than Russell when Quinn hasn’t, you know, actually played? At least Russell won something at the college level. Quinn seems to have good mechanics and a good “football IQ,” but he hasn’t done anything and therefore can’t be put above anyone.
I wouldn’t take it away from Tavaris and give all the credit to their running game. He’s efficient. David Garrard is mobile and efficient. I’m not saying TJ is going to be David Garrard, but he had a good season, and he has the capability with that running attack of being a good game manager.
I agree that Vince Young is overhyped, in the same way that I felt Michael Vick was overhyped. But Vince Young single-handedly won games for that team right after they drafted him (which was arguably when they were at their worst as a team post McNair), and he deserves credit for that.
I had no clue Tebow was staying 4, and UF is my team (although I don’t follow college as much as I follow the pros, and I don’t follow football as much as I follow basketball). Expect blowback on the whole idea of 3 straight Heismans, even if he’s deserving I wouldn’t doubt that the voters would turn away from him after 2.
Sure hope he doesn’t pull a Willis McGahee in one of his last games and set back his entire career. Considering his style it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Russell hasn’t played his entire career, and his team is the Oakland Raiders. Their defense may be fine, but you put any quarterback in that system and he’s going to suck ass. It always felt to me like Russell came of absolutely nowhere to be 1, and even as an SEC guy I couldn’t understand how he went above where I thought he would, which I considered generous (late first round).
How can you possibly say Quinn is better than Russell when Quinn hasn’t, you know, actually played? At least Russell won something at the college level. Quinn seems to have good mechanics and a good “football IQ,” but he hasn’t done anything and therefore can’t be put above anyone.[/quote]
I’m basing my Quinn/Russell statements on the fact that in college, Quinn was better, flat out. When the Fighting Irish lost games, it was because their whole team faltered, not Quinn. You can’t blame him for that. Russell came out of nowhere after the Bowl Game.
He has a fantastic arm, but I just don’t think he possesses the “football IQ” that Quinn has. Also, Brady has been to camp and is in competition with a pretty damn good QB in Derek Anderson. Russell skipped camp out of greed and was benched for the sole reason that he needed to learn the plays before they could put him in. He has no competition, he’ll be starting even if he was the worst QB on his team (thank Al Davis for that one).
Tavaris is a solid QB. He can manage a game and he definitely doesn’t lose games. However, he doesn’t win them either. He’s efficient at best, but nothing out of the ordinary. I honestly think that if they gave him receivers, he’d be a much better QB (that’s obvious). I’d get him passing weapons before giving up on him entirely. Like you said, he’s no Garrad, but at the same time, I REALLY hope Garrard can keep it going. I love the guy, he’s one of my favorite players solely because of his determination and leadership abilities.
Yeah, not much disagreement here. They need a new running back. LenDale White is a fat slob. Have you seen him? He’s running off of pure God-given ability, and he’s lucky to even have that. At the Combine a few years ago, reporters and scouts were joking that they were going to buy him a bra. For someone of his calibre, there’s no excuse for that. But I digress…Young is mediocre at best. I doubt he’ll be anything good, and it was a huge mistake drafting him, especially considering that that same year, they hired Norm Chow, USC’s former offensive coordinator, as their OC. The fit just wasn’t right. Plus, Young is a punk from what I hear.
[quote]I had no clue Tebow was staying 4, and UF is my team (although I don’t follow college as much as I follow the pros, and I don’t follow football as much as I follow basketball). Expect blowback on the whole idea of 3 straight Heismans, even if he’s deserving I wouldn’t doubt that the voters would turn away from him after 2.
Sure hope he doesn’t pull a Willis McGahee in one of his last games and set back his entire career. Considering his style it’s not out of the realm of possibility.[/quote]
Tebow was born to Christian missionaries in the Philippines, I think. They moved to Florida and home-schooled him. He played for Nease (one of the best programs in the state) and was obviously recruited into UF. He’s stated numerous times, both publicly and privately, his intentions to stay all four years and earn his degree while fulfilling obligations to his school (ie, giving them as much of his eligible time he can).
He’s easily the best player in college football. People will disagree and they’re entitled to it, but sweet Urban Meyer, he’s simply amazing. Unless something tragic happens to him (and I personally hope not, even though I hate UF), I foresee him winning the Heisman 3 straight times, unless, like you said, the voters bail on him after next year. He’s just THAT good.
[quote]49ersFan81 wrote:
Manningham over Sweed? Hmm dont know about that. Manningham ran like a 4.7 on his pro-day or whatever and to top that off he has character issues.[/quote]
You’re right, I forgot about the character issues. Going by raw skill, however, I stand by my statements. I still think Kelly is the best, though, so it doesn’t really matter.
Agreed. While I don’t think Smith is a bust, giving him a good offensive foundation to work with will do wonders for your team. Cherilus would definitely help you out there. And Groves…yep, just yep.
Vince Young only single-handedly won one game for the Tennessee Titans in his career. In the first season he won a game on a scramble, but the rest of the wins his rookie season was by proponent of a highly underrated defense. Not only that, but his TD/INT ratio has been terrible, and he’s looking like he may be fragile.
= Most overrated player in the NFL in the last five years!