2006 Tour De France

[quote]trailrash wrote:
chrismcl wrote:
CC wrote:

!Newb question warning!

Now when you say “pushed into the red”, are you speaking of HR? I am only assuming because I see they will often pick out a random rider and show his current BPM, max, etc. Is there a strict amount of time you can stay close to your max before you go over the edge and “bonk”, for lack of a better term (logic would suggest that’s the case, but I want to ask just to be sure)?

What happened to Landis (I’m guessing) is that he pushed himself too hard at the beginning of the climb and didn’t build up to a good rhythm or cadence and simply couldn’t recover since the whole rest of the way after that was uphill - and its kinda hard to take a break and relax when you’re climbing up a bigass hill.

Bonking has more to do with not consuming enough calories and not replacing your electrolytes. Remember the Gatorade commercial of the guy that was on the last hundred yards or so of an Ironman triathalon and he just collapsed? Thats bonking, he simply didn’t have any more glucose or glycogen in his body to power his muscles (simple version of an explanation).

Im not so sure he bonked. I think you said it right at first. He pushed into the red too soon and he was never able to recover because the course never let him.

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Yeah, I think he was just correcting me on suggesting that the two are interrelated (bonking and just simply gassing out). I remember the concept somewhat from my physiology and graduate exercise physiology courses, but some of that stuff has escaped me over the years.

And yeah, I remember that Gatorade commercial. That was just brutal. I felt terrible for that guy. I can’t imagine the actual feeling of your body just completely shutting down, having absolutely run out of glucose. You always figure you could get that one extra step if you had too…

I only know bonking to mean one thing. And when I find a woman who can the below on a consistent basis, I will be set for life…

[quote]CC wrote:
I can’t imagine the actual feeling of your body just completely shutting down, having absolutely run out of glucose. [/quote]

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
I only know bonking to mean one thing. And when I find a woman who can the below on a consistent basis, I will be set for life…

CC wrote:
I can’t imagine the actual feeling of your body just completely shutting down, having absolutely run out of glucose. [/quote]

LOL

I think Landis is going to take the win, getting yellow in the TT tomorrow. That would be awesome, another American Tour winner. The Euros will hate us even more, lol.
8 in a row

[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
I think Landis is going to take the win, getting yellow in the TT tomorrow.[/quote]

Let’s hope. Landis is obviously a strong TTer, coming in second on stage 7 (although that was even a fill minute back of the winner; incredible performance by Honchar).

Sastre and Peireiro finished 2’11’’ and 2’41’’ back, respectively. If Floyd can maintain that kind of gap he’s got a shot.

Could you imagine how unbelievably gigantically pissed off the whole country of France would be if Floyd Landis wins this race?

At the end of last year’s Tour they were probably all like “fucking finalley, ze fucking American with one ball has retired! Now instead of Bastille day, we will have Bastille month!!!”

I think they’ll all explode with rage if they hear the Star-Spangled Banner on the Champs-Ellyses 8 years in a row.

[quote]chrismcl wrote:
Could you imagine how unbelievably gigantically pissed off the whole country of France would be if Floyd Landis wins this race?

At the end of last year’s Tour they were probably all like “fucking finalley, ze fucking American with one ball has retired! Now instead of Bastille day, we will have Bastille month!!!”

I think they’ll all explode with rage if they hear the Star-Spangled Banner on the Champs-Ellyses 8 years in a row.[/quote]

Seriously, we’d have to be worried about France shooting grapes our way instead of North Korea.

This was from an email I received:

Let me see if you find this athlete’s backstory slightly more interesting than whether Barry Bonds will get indicted or Barbaro will ever walk again.

This athlete grew up a Mennonite in Lancaster County, Pa. His parents were against his pursuing his sport on religious grounds – they believed if he continued competing, he would go to hell – so his father sought to discourage him by trying to exhaust him with long hours of chores during the day. To no avail. He simply trained late at night, sometimes until 2 in the morning. Outside, in the dark and the rain and the snow and the ice and the subzero temperatures.

This man also served as a lieutenant to one of the most successful and popular athletes in America, helping him win repeated championships.

He took the lead in his sport’s biggest event one day and cracked physically the next day to fall hopelessly out of contention, yet somehow pulled himself back into the running the day after that with what many consider among the great performances in the sport’s history.

And oh, yes, one more thing. A previously broken hip now has the same problem that ended Bo Jackson’s career and will have to be replaced with an artificial one after this competition.

Interesting, huh? So why isn’t more attention directed to Floyd Landis?

Oh, I know. It’s cycling, and Americans watch cycling even less than they watch soccer. Fine, I can understand that. I can’t even say exactly why I enjoy watching the Tour de France. It goes on for hour after repetitive hour, with the monotony interrupted by an occasional breakaway that is almost always chased down. This is particularly true in the early stages. You watch the same type of images over and over followed by a last-second dash to the finish line. And yet I still find it very relaxing and oddly addictive.

But I can easily understand why others aren’t as eager to watch this acquired taste (especially as the races take place early in the day). What is less understandable is the lack of attention Landis is receiving in the media. It’s almost harder to watch TV without seeing “Law & Order” than it was to do so without seeing Armstrong as he went for his seventh Tour title. The attention was well-deserved, but where is the spotlight for Landis? I mean, this is an American who very well might extend our country’s Tour de France streak to eight consecutive victories. Yet there is more attention on Barbaro’s broken leg than Landis’ powerful legs.

It can’t all be about Lance, can it? Armstrong might have been a great champion but several of his victories also were almost a foregone conclusion midway through the Tour. That’s not the case this year, when there already have been seven riders to wear the yellow jersey, as well as riders flipping over guardrails, eating the pavement and cracking in the Alps.

That includes Landis, who in one three-day span of mountain stages, took the Tour lead, then lost it and fell out of the top 10 in one horrible ride, then nearly regained it with a spectacular ride Thursday that regained him nearly eight minutes. That last stage featured grueling climbs and a final sprint down the mountain. Landis’ comeback from Wednesday’s collapse was extraordinary, the stuff of legend.

Yet what was the day’s big news? Barry Bonds’ not being indicted.

We’re missing the boat on this one, but it’s not too late. The Tour is still very much up in the air and probably will come down to Saturday’s time trial, in which Landis is among the favorites (he is third overall, 30 seconds behind leader Oscar Pereiro, but is considered a better a time trialist than Pereiro). So do yourself a favor. Pop into the TV coverage Saturday morning. This could be the year’s most dramatic sports story that doesn’t involve an autistic manager.

Watch out for the grapes because Landis brought it home. What an awesome ride by both him and Kloden. I definitely didn’t anticipate Kloden being on the podium. I can only Imagine what Cadel Evans was thinking as Kloden passed him. What an awesome Tour!!!

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Its a little more than that. You never saw Lance backing out of a race b/c the press launched a witch hunt on him.
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Exactly. No world-class athlete that trained his butt off all year backs out of a competition due to “pressure”. Puh-lease. Only the guilty back out.

[quote]trailrash wrote:
I should not jump to the quick conclusion that they are guilty. I actually have a tough time beleiving these two were really doping, but who knows. [/quote]

They’re ALL doping. Just face it. It’s okay with me though b/c it’s pretty much a must to cycle that much in 18 out of 21 days or whatever they do.

So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.

[quote]CC wrote:
So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.[/quote]

Generally the GC doesn’t change on the final day since the sprinters’ teams will keep things under control to battle for the green jersey and the final stage win. McEwen has the first one but the stage will still keep people together at the end.

[quote]CC wrote:
So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.[/quote]

Yes, I’m pretty sure that in the 93 years of the TdF being run, no General Classification (GC) contender has ever attacked during the last stage.

[quote]CC wrote:
So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.[/quote]

It would be in very poor sportsmanship to attack on the last day. The last day is like a victory lap, a time to drink champagne and revel in victory. I’m glad Landis won. The top 3 in the GC will not change tomorrow, barring anything unforseen.

[quote]chrismcl wrote:
CC wrote:
So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.

Yes, I’m pretty sure that in the 93 years of the TdF being run, no General Classification (GC) contender has ever attacked during the last stage.[/quote]

Oscar Perreiro might have the attitude to try it though, after all he did go out in a breakaway that won by 30 minutes last week! It would be tough with the sprinters trying to win on the Champs Elysees but if he can pick up some intermediate time bonuses you never know, he’s only down 1 minute, it is possible.

Even thought 5th is a great result, equalling the best ever result by an Aussie, I’m a bit disappointed with Evans, he needs to be able to attack on the mountains more, but hopefully his team next year will have a few riders capable of helping him climb, he had to do it all alone this year. It would have been a good learning experience for him though.

Thats actually not true, there have been attacks in the past. We are not talking about the last day time trial won by Lemond but in earlier Tours, the number two has attacked at times. I cant remember the year but I know of at least one year when Joop Zoetemelk and the then number one or two in the Tour were attacking and got ahead of the poloton and finished that way. I think it is a more recent phenomenon that they will ride real easy and have fun till they get to the Champs to start racing. You are correct that the GC riders at that point in recent history have not attacked.

I can also remember someone in the yellow jersey getting a flat on the Champs and the other riders certainly did not wait for him.

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[quote]chrismcl wrote:
CC wrote:
So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.

Yes, I’m pretty sure that in the 93 years of the TdF being run, no General Classification (GC) contender has ever attacked during the last stage.[/quote]

[quote]CC wrote:
Personally, I believe doping is even more prevalent than the media makes it out to be, especially in cycling and track and field. I always refer to the late Duchaine when this issue comes up (paraphrased): “If you’re a world class athlete and you aren’t doping or you are and get caught, you are not in the know.”

For me, however, the doping does not detract from the sport, or any other sport for that matter, one bit. I think that’s part of the fascination behind cycling for me, how these athletes can manipulate their training, nutrition and drug protocols to make these incredible runs. I believe Lance did dope and I don’t condemn him for it one bit.

I, for one, am still excited about the Tour. I love it, and I’m not even a casual cyclist.[/quote]

It detracts for me. In every sport. We need to go one of two ways. An even playing field where we have extremely strict policies and anyhow caught is banned permanently. Or allow use of these compounds for athletic pursuit at this level. I don’t see the latter happening. But this double [bullshit] standard where there is an unofficial ban, but there’s such a pressure to use to be on top is ridiculous. No, I don’t think that all of the elites in various sports use. But many do.

I was rooting for Evans but I was dissappointed in his final ITT. He is a great time trial rider and for Kloden to pass him like that, I think that says something about his form. If he ever wants to win one, which I think is possible, he cant give up 3 minutes in an ITT over 50 some kilometers.

[quote]bg100 wrote:
chrismcl wrote:
CC wrote:
So, because it’s over tomorrow, this will be my last newb question, I promise, lol.

Is the podium alread basically decided; has Floyd won it? Is it just Tour etiquette that you don’t attack on the ride to Champs-Elysees?

Amazing TT by Floyd, and of course Honchar again, by the way. Congrats to both.

Yes, I’m pretty sure that in the 93 years of the TdF being run, no General Classification (GC) contender has ever attacked during the last stage.

Oscar Perreiro might have the attitude to try it though, after all he did go out in a breakaway that won by 30 minutes last week! It would be tough with the sprinters trying to win on the Champs Elysees but if he can pick up some intermediate time bonuses you never know, he’s only down 1 minute, it is possible.

Even thought 5th is a great result, equalling the best ever result by an Aussie, I’m a bit disappointed with Evans, he needs to be able to attack on the mountains more, but hopefully his team next year will have a few riders capable of helping him climb, he had to do it all alone this year. It would have been a good learning experience for him though.[/quote]

[quote]greatgro wrote:
trailrash wrote:
I should not jump to the quick conclusion that they are guilty. I actually have a tough time beleiving these two were really doping, but who knows.

They’re ALL doping. Just face it. It’s okay with me though b/c it’s pretty much a must to cycle that much in 18 out of 21 days or whatever they do.

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I love how people like yourself have the INSIDE scoop on pro cycling and other sports and feel the need to enlighten people (who are apparently naive in your mind) with this knowledge you have.

Thanks for the info!!!