2 Years and Still Trying To Recover, Where To Go From Here?

Here’s what i got for you.

10/05/2017:
Total T 873 (250-1100 ng/dL)
E2 27 < OR = 39 pg/mL
Free T 106.5 (35-155 pg/mL)
LH 3.1 (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
FSH 3.2 (1.6-8 mIU/mL)
No SHBG tested

01/17/2018
Total T 584 (250-1100 ng/dL)
E2 18 < OR = 39 pg/mL
Free T 72.9 (46.0-224.0 pg/mL)
LH 3.9 (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
FSH 2.9 (1.6-8 mIU/mL)
SHBG 34 (10-50 nmol/L)

03/20/2018
Total T 772 (249-836 ng/dL)
E2 21 (7-49)
Free T 173 (30-150 pg/mL) H
LH 4.2 (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
FSH 1.2 (1.6-8 mIU/mL) L (could’ve been aberration)
SHBG 30 (10-57 nmol/L)

In addition to the regular blood work i posted on here.

Testosterone is not the issue. Free T and even bioavailable is on point. E2 has been in range and LH and FSH has been consistently decent, maybe a little on the low side.

So maybe youre right and its neurotransmitter related. But my gut feeling doesn’t think so. The way my member looks when flaccid plus the feeling of rubbery numbness just screams of hormonal as opposed to neurotransmitter. Plus i know that dopamine agonist come with their fair share of sides and risk so it has to be more of a last resort option.

unless there is something else I’m missing, thyroid seems to be the only hormonal culprit left.

I see my endo again on the 5th. Praying that there’s something conclusive enough for her to consider treatment.

Yeah i definitely agree.

i have to PCT from TRT but afterwards ill leave my body alone for 4-6 weeks then get bloods from there.

My body has definitely been in homeostasis before TRT at separate points during bloodwork. The only thing that raised an eye brow was the low t3 thats been glossed over.

I think thyroid definitely has something to do with how i feel. If shitloads of testosterone didn’t help, especially when its helped before, then there’s something I havent been considering.

But ill listen to my doctors and go from there.

@KSman could you kindly chime in on my thread and please bless it with your usual knowledge and wisdom?

You don’t have to use drugs to improve your neuros.

I’ve used L Tyrosine, 2.5 grams three times a day on an empty stomach each time.

L Tyrosine is the building block of the catecholamines Noradrenaline, adrenaline & dopamine.

DL Phenylalanine also does the same & works well for some people if L Tyrosine doesn’t work. DL Phenylalanine is also a building block for endorphins, so I wonder if that’ll help with the sex numbness.

I used L Tyrosine, 5-HTP & Theanine to rapidly cease venlafaxine & mirtazapine - the aminos were v powerful - very mild withdrawal from the prescription antidepressants.

I’d highly recommend the book ‘End Your Addictions Now’ on nutrients for mental & physical wellbeing. I appreciate it’s not an addiction problem for you - the book just explains all the neuro/nutrient mechanisms very well for anyone

What AAS did you use in your previous cycles?

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I’ll post some photos up of the dopamine deficient recommendations, later cos there’s more involved than Tyrosine & Phenylalanine

i actually use L-Tyrosine and L-Theanine.

It improves my mood and motivation a tad, but doesn’t do much for my libido.

and i have tried caber in the past. I did get a libido shoot up after taking it but i noticed 2 things.

  1. it was nice to have a sexual fantasy and have my erection shoot up without having to touch it, however my erection still felt numb and the orgasm from a masturbation session was no better or worse than without it.

  2. after that short burst i wasn’t able to sustain the libido, just felt it a short time afterwards and that was it for the day. Plus the very last dose of caber i took, i felt the surge in libido but i couldnt get the erection. i felt like something was happening down there but it was as if i didnt have the necessary blood flow to get it.

So i could use more dopamine supplements or even drugs if the endo recommends, itll help in the interim once i find the real issue, but my gut is really telling me its hormonal and not neuro.

I did 3 superdrol cycles at 19-20.

i did 2 test cycles in 2015, both just Test E at 500mg/12w.

Ah shit man :frowning: was worth a stab though! I hope the other avenues work for you :slight_smile:

The ranges don’t have to do with the testing machine’s calibration.

They are based off studies, and companys (labcorp, quest) choose which study to reference.

People have seen the reference ranges go down lately. I believe this has to do with the medical profession wanting men to believe they are fine because they are in range, but 10 years ago they were out of range.

So a 260 ng/dL is the same value on a 200-800 range as the 350-1200 scale. It just doesn’t seem as bad when you look at it.

Haha of course!

I was thinking it maybe dopamine at some point too.

However thyroid just seems to make the most sense, I’ve been ready @KSman stickies and it feels like everything is starting to make sense.

I’m gonna stay positive and hope for the best on my next appointment this upcoming thursday.

Definitely I’ll keep you guys updated with my results.

Wish me luck :fist:t6::100:

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Very odd if that’s the case.

Do you think that I’m on to something as it pertains to thyroid?

That I am not sure of. Respected members here think you should look at thyroid, so I would check it out.

I just know I looked at my testosterone values and under it cited a study in which they got the range. I always assumed it was based on the testing machine, but no it is just based on whichever study they want to reference.

I started a thread on it here.

So when an easily patented testosterone treatment is being finalised, we’ll see the bottom of the testosterone range keep creeping up haha

It will be hard to overcome the antidepressant / ED pill industry. Lots of money already there.

In the next 10 years studies will show the damage antidepressants can do to you over the long term and all the benefits TRT provides for your overall health. When done right there’s zero negatives.

@mnben87 @systemlord

I’d been taking 150mg of venlafaxine & 30mg of mirtazapine each day for 5 years.

11 days ago I did a mega rapid taper off those drugs - I took 4 days to taper to zero.

I’d been using L Tyrosine for a couple weeks. Then I introduced 5-HTP slowly to avoid Serotonin Syndrome & used L Theanine & magnesium oil at night to sleep.

I’ve been antidepressant free for a week now & with the aminos, it’s been the easiest reduction off SSRI/SNRI I’ve experienced.

^ although I reserve the right to be pathetic & be crying & back on the drugs this time next week, hahaha. We’ll see.

ANYWAY - 2 days off both the antidepressants I woke up at 3am with a full on diamond cutter boner - it was painful it was so hard!!

I had to have a wank to make it go away & I swear it was the best wank of my life hahaha. Like fooking awesome better than sex with freaky girlfriends sex.

Since then I’ve been jerking off 3 times a day & my orgasm intensity is like triple what it was on the antidepressants.

Way way too much information. Report me if you have to haha.

Also, don’t copy what I’ve done (wanking included :joy::joy:) - like I said I’ll probs be emotionally fucked next week & back on the drugs :joy:

Antidepressants numb, alter your central nervous system so you feel less, including penile sensitivity.

I thought I’d get a LOL, too to be honest :laughing:

But yes antidepressants do that. Apparently they also limit the complete function of some neurotransmitters - by inhibiting the reuptake of serotonin, emotions are flattened, other neuros are out of whack + serotonin isn’t as available to make melatonin for proper sleep.

That’s my recent reading anyway.

I actually started feeling a bit poisoned from the horrible venlafaxine taste in my mouth.

I’m a believer in that a person’s attributes (happiness, even work ethic to an extent) are very much related to hormone balance.

It’s good you are feeling good off the antidepressants. Lol about the erections

I’m beginning to believe humans are much more simple than we appear. I think a dozen or so hormones/neuros drive all of human behaviour.

That perhaps to a great extent we’re all ‘led by the nose’ by our chemistry

Hey hows it going my dudes!

These some of my recent lab ranges:

DHEA-S: 286 H (40.8-222.0)

Ferritin: 82.5 H (3.0-73.0)

Iron: 96 (65-175)

CPK 1491 H (38-174)

ACTH: 51.99 (7.00-69.00)

CORT: 12.7 (6.4-21.0)

TgAB: <12.0 (0.0-28.7)

ALT: H 65 (10-47)

AST H 45 (11-38)

FSH 2.0 (1.5-168)

LH 4.2 (0.5-68.7)

Progesterone II 1.4 (0.0-1.4)

SHBG: H 56 (10-50)

Albumin H 5.2 (3.6-5.1)

TSH: 1.793 (0.400-4.000)

Free T4 1.1 (0.8-1.8)

TT3 L 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

T4 4.9 (4.9-12.0)

FT3 L 1.82 (2.30-4.20)

IGF-1 H (99-283)

E2 L 25 (40.7-424.6)

i should have a few more that i didn’t list. If theres anything else you want to see, ask and ill check if i got it tested.

I dont get it. Since hiring this Holistic doctor I’ve done EVERYTHING under the sun and listened to his dietary recommendations. I’ve easily spent $2000 plus between his services, the supplements he provides, and food that i need to purchase on a weekly basis. I’ve taken ashwagandha, Rhodiola, Ginseng, Long jack, and I’m about to start Mucuna soon.

Despite all these efforts, its safe to say this is the worse that my body has ever been. I’m honestly considering discontinuing seeing this doctor as well.

I’m thinking my last ditch effort before deciding to go on thyroid hormones and testing the conventional medicine methods is the Keto Diet.

I’ve read information in favor of keto and against it, especially for hypo/subclinical thyroid conditions.

I’ve had my life on hold for too long and after seeing these results I feel perplexed and somewhat defeated, sometimes it feels like ill never get back but i know i have to stay as positive as possible.

please let me know what you guys think, thanks!