2 Week Test Prop/Tren/D-bol

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Well laid out cycle however your compound choice for a first timer is questionable (Tren).
IMO tren is just too suppressive to be used in a 2-weeker (depending on how fragile your endocrine system is).
I have some experience with the 2-weekers, I used 700mg Test P/wk and 60mg Dbol/d, gained roughly 3-4lbs but was fairly difficult to maintain even with a good diet and training regimen.

Also, 4 weeks on/4 weeks off is silly in my opinion, 4 weeks is more then enough time to suppress your endocrine system fully and for long enough. 4 weekers do not have a place in “short” cycles especially when highly suppressive compounds like Tren are used.

I would drop the Tren and increase the Test and Dbol (if you can handle the pumps). If you insist on running Tren then drop the test greatly with a 3:1 ratio of Tren:Test. Something like 75mg Tren with 20-25mg Test ED.

And as already mentioned, Test P hurts in most people.

SB[/quote]

Hi, first of all thank you for your advice and feedback i will take it into account and think about it. If i did decide to do the tren - test in a 3:1 ratio will a frontloading on the first day still be needed? If so how much? 150mg Test prop and 150mg Tren?

Any further advice will be greatly appreciated.

Endo

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You probably would not need to frontload any since both are short-estered fast-acting drugs. The initial days were Tren concentration is high and Test Prop has not yet peaked will be taken care of by the Dbol.

If you see that your sides are too much after a week or so you may want to try dropping the dose of Dbol which can aggrevate Tren sides. TBH its only a 2-weeker so even if sides do present, you can ride it out.

Just a thought, if you find the Test P hurts too much and you cannot train, it is perfectly fine to drop it and run Tren/Dbol which is a great cycle itself.

SB

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@jaycuts- You’re in the steroids forum. Why would you come in here and give people obviously good advice and tell them to wait to reach a good natural level? Are you really smart? [/quote]

Fixed

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
You probably would not need to frontload any since both are short-estered fast-acting drugs. The initial days were Tren concentration is high and Test Prop has not yet peaked will be taken care of by the Dbol.

If you see that your sides are too much after a week or so you may want to try dropping the dose of Dbol which can aggrevate Tren sides. TBH its only a 2-weeker so even if sides do present, you can ride it out.

Just a thought, if you find the Test P hurts too much and you cannot train, it is perfectly fine to drop it and run Tren/Dbol which is a great cycle itself.

SB[/quote]

Thanks for the info, greatly appreciated!

I changed my cycle accordingly, please take a look over it:

2 Weeks cycle:

Day 1 (frontload):

Testosterone Propionate 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate 150mg
Dianabol 50mg
liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g

Macros: 300/350/70

Days 2-12:

Testosterone Propionate 25mg ED
Trenbolone 75mg ED
Dianabol 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED

Macros: 350/300/70

Days 12-14:

Dianabol 60mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED

Macros: 350/300/70

PCT

Days 15-21:

Nolva 30mg ED
D-Aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 10g ED

Macros: 350/280/65

Days 21-30:

Nolva 20mg ED
D-aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 10g ED

Macros: 350/280/65

After PCT at home

Days 31-38:

D-Aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 5g ED

Macros: 330/300/65

Days 39-46:

Vitamin C 1g ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 5g ED

Macros: 300/330/60

END - Macros: 250/340/60

I know there are alot of details i included but i would really like your opinion on it.

Endo

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[quote]Endomorph King wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
You probably would not need to frontload any since both are short-estered fast-acting drugs. The initial days were Tren concentration is high and Test Prop has not yet peaked will be taken care of by the Dbol.

If you see that your sides are too much after a week or so you may want to try dropping the dose of Dbol which can aggrevate Tren sides. TBH its only a 2-weeker so even if sides do present, you can ride it out.

Just a thought, if you find the Test P hurts too much and you cannot train, it is perfectly fine to drop it and run Tren/Dbol which is a great cycle itself.

SB[/quote]

Thanks for the info, greatly appreciated!

I changed my cycle accordingly, please take a look over it:

2 Weeks cycle:

Day 1 (frontload):

Testosterone Propionate 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate 150mg
Dianabol 50mg
liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g

Macros: 300/350/70

Days 2-12:

Testosterone Propionate 25mg ED
Trenbolone 75mg ED
Dianabol 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED

Macros: 350/300/70

Days 12-14:

Dianabol 60mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED

Macros: 350/300/70

PCT

Days 15-21:

Nolva 30mg ED
D-Aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 10g ED

Macros: 350/280/65

Days 21-30:

Nolva 20mg ED
D-aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 10g ED

Macros: 350/280/65

After PCT at home

Days 31-38:

D-Aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 5g ED

Macros: 330/300/65

Days 39-46:

Vitamin C 1g ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 5g ED

Macros: 300/330/60

END - Macros: 250/340/60

I know there are alot of details i included but i would really like your opinion on it.

Endo
[/quote]

Holy fucktits of information overload. First of all, a 2 weeks cycle is fucking ridiculous. The best possible outcome is 2-3 lbs of muscle(and I’m being aggressive with these numbers). If you’re willing to go through all the shit you’ve listed for 2-3lbs of muscle, go for it, just know that you’re not accomplishing anything. Your first cycle should be 8-10 weeks and consist of test and maybe some dbol with standard pct, or maybe test/taper if you wanna get silly. Then you can see what how your body behaves to drugs and, if you want, plan your second cycle accordingly. My advice, as most of the others have stated, is to wait until you’re ready for a longer cycle and do at least 6 weeks.

I do have to give you credit though, you seem to have done quite a bit of research before posting. You’ll do well on the dark side.

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Well planned out, seems fine. If you do experience Tren sides, then you know the reason (test/dbol dosage too high). Also your Adex dose, you MAY not need .5mg, in fact you may not need it at all since Tren does not aromatise. I did not need it, depending on your aromatisation of Dbol and Test you may need it. I would leave it out and add it in if needed but just my opinion.

If you can afford it, in your PCT add ZMA and Vitamin D3.

Dont listen to the above poster, 2 week cycles are not ridiculous, they are actually smart for those looking to limit HPTA suppression. He/she is just referring to bro-knowledge such as all cycles MUST contain Test, or Test always higher, or minimum 6 week cycles etc.

SB

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I would just like to add, please keep your expectations low and you will be happy with the results.

SB

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[quote]tapitdeep wrote:

[quote]Endomorph King wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
You probably would not need to frontload any since both are short-estered fast-acting drugs. The initial days were Tren concentration is high and Test Prop has not yet peaked will be taken care of by the Dbol.

If you see that your sides are too much after a week or so you may want to try dropping the dose of Dbol which can aggrevate Tren sides. TBH its only a 2-weeker so even if sides do present, you can ride it out.

Just a thought, if you find the Test P hurts too much and you cannot train, it is perfectly fine to drop it and run Tren/Dbol which is a great cycle itself.

I’m surprised you’ve never seen this cycle before…it’s pretty popular.
SB[/quote]

Thanks for the info, greatly appreciated!

I changed my cycle accordingly, please take a look over it:

2 Weeks cycle:

Day 1 (frontload):

Testosterone Propionate 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate 150mg
Dianabol 50mg
liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g

Macros: 300/350/70

Days 2-12:

Testosterone Propionate 25mg ED
Trenbolone 75mg ED
Dianabol 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED

Macros: 350/300/70

Days 12-14:

Dianabol 60mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED

Macros: 350/300/70

PCT

Days 15-21:

Nolva 30mg ED
D-Aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 10g ED

Macros: 350/280/65

Days 21-30:

Nolva 20mg ED
D-aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Liv52 ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 10g ED

Macros: 350/280/65

After PCT at home

Days 31-38:

D-Aspartic acid 3g ED
Vitamin C 3g ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 5g ED

Macros: 330/300/65

Days 39-46:

Vitamin C 1g ED
Omega 3,6,9s 2.4g ED
Creatine Monohydrate 5g ED

Macros: 300/330/60

END - Macros: 250/340/60

I know there are alot of details i included but i would really like your opinion on it.

Endo
[/quote]

Holy fucktits of information overload. First of all, a 2 weeks cycle is fucking ridiculous. The best possible outcome is 2-3 lbs of muscle(and I’m being aggressive with these numbers). If you’re willing to go through all the shit you’ve listed for 2-3lbs of muscle, go for it, just know that you’re not accomplishing anything. Your first cycle should be 8-10 weeks and consist of test and maybe some dbol with standard pct, or maybe test/taper if you wanna get silly. Then you can see what how your body behaves to drugs and, if you want, plan your second cycle accordingly. My advice, as most of the others have stated, is to wait until you’re ready for a longer cycle and do at least 6 weeks.

I do have to give you credit though, you seem to have done quite a bit of research before posting. You’ll do well on the dark side. [/quote]

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Any results on this cycle?

Singhbuilder can you offer me some feed back on what I’ve been planning since you have experience with 2 weekers?
I haven’t done any cycles, 8 years lifting, 305 bench, 380 squat and 455 deadlift. I’m interested in 2 week cycles due to the nature of my job I can’t have AAS with me for the other 2 weeks but can have PCT drugs.
I’ve done quite a bit of research on the 2 week cycles but am torn on what to try.

Option 1 - Hesitant using Test P since I don’t know how much PIP i’ll get. My source reports no PIP but I imagine I’m going to have at least some to a lot of PIP due to virgin muscles…

Day 1 - Frontload Test P 200mg/d, 40mg/d Dbol
Days 2-10 Test P 100 mg/d, 40mg/d Dbol
Days 11-14 Dbol 40mg/d
Days 15-21 Nolvadex 40mg/d
Days 22-28 Nolvadex 20 mg/d

Option 2 - Not sure about the dosing of the Tren since it’s my first cycle and it being a harsh drug.
Day 1 - Tren Ace 50 mg/d, Dbol 50mg/d
Days 2-12 Tren Ace 25 mg/d, Dbol 50 mg/d
Days 13-14 Dbol 50 mg/d
Days 15-21 Nolvadex 40 mg/d
Days 22-28 Nolvadex 20 mg/d

Is this too small of a dose of Tren to reap any benefits from it? I’ve read that Dbols aromitization will synergize with Tren so the side effects usually aren’t present.

Any suggestions?

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Any results on this cycle?

Singhbuilder can you offer me some feed back on what I’ve been planning since you have experience with 2 weekers?
I haven’t done any cycles, 8 years lifting, 305 bench, 380 squat and 455 deadlift. I’m interested in 2 week cycles due to the nature of my job I can’t have AAS with me for the other 2 weeks but can have PCT drugs.
I’ve done quite a bit of research on the 2 week cycles but am torn on what to try.

Option 1 - Hesitant using Test P since I don’t know how much PIP i’ll get. My source reports no PIP but I imagine I’m going to have at least some to a lot of PIP due to virgin muscles…

Day 1 - Frontload Test P 200mg/d, 40mg/d Dbol
Days 2-10 Test P 100 mg/d, 40mg/d Dbol
Days 11-14 Dbol 40mg/d
Days 15-21 Nolvadex 40mg/d
Days 22-28 Nolvadex 20 mg/d

Option 2 - Not sure about the dosing of the Tren since it’s my first cycle and it being a harsh drug.
Day 1 - Tren Ace 50 mg/d, Dbol 50mg/d
Days 2-12 Tren Ace 25 mg/d, Dbol 50 mg/d
Days 13-14 Dbol 50 mg/d
Days 15-21 Nolvadex 40 mg/d
Days 22-28 Nolvadex 20 mg/d

Is this too small of a dose of Tren to reap any benefits from it? I’ve read that Dbols aromitization will synergize with Tren so the side effects usually aren’t present.

Any suggestions?