Yes, I understood that…hence my original post, which you somehow turned into something else. I agree, though. It’s definitely an issue when America believes someone was racially profiled despite a lack of evidence that he was racially profiled. I hope you see my point here because I’m not going to make it again.[/quote]
Oh, I see it…it just doesn’t vibe with the rest of the country that knows from experience that law enforcement does this every damn day to us…so no, to think it happened here isn’t a stretch.,… it is PROCEDURE.
[quote]Incident Date: 5/2/91
Jurisdiction: NC
Charge: Two counts of First Degree Rape, one count of First Degree Burglary and two counts of First Degree Kidnapping
Conviction: Two counts of First Degree Rape, one count of First Degree Burglary and two counts of First Degree Kidnapping
Sentence: Two Life Sentences, plus 110 years
Year of Conviction: 1995
Exoneration Date: 9/2/09
Sentence Served: 14 Years
Real perpetrator found? Not Yet
Contributing Causes: Eyewitness Misidentification
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This man was wrongly convicted of rape…so yeah, those rape stats are even less applicable.
You’re damn right I of all people do appreciate a man like this, you have no idea how pissed off I am that a war hero especially a WWII vet, died this way, but you and I both know you didn’t start this thread for him.
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…and that is why I am continuing to respond…because the bullshit is creeping too high in here.
These people don’t care about this man anymore than they care about anyone else who died today outside their close circle of family and friends.
It simply fits the agenda to pretend…and I would hope any real veteran would hate that shit.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s every, just Walkway and Conservative.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Awww, I see what’s all about : a bunch of right wing cunts still heartbroken over the fact a black Prez spoke about the murder of an innocent black youth.
Bwahahahaha!!
Please let me breathe… I… I just can’t… I can’t …
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Shit, I wish the previous 43 white Prez had spoken on white on blacks murders too. 43 white prezs until 2009 and not a single fuck was given. A black Prez speak out and, the fuckers get their panties twisted in their assholes’ cracks before losing their shit. ‘‘I WANT HIM TO SPEAK ABOUT BLACK ON WHITE CRIME TOOO. BOOOOOOOHOOHOHOOOO WAHA WAHAHA!!!’’
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
Shit.[/quote]
It took two presidencies to apologize for the Tuskeegee Experiments (Clinton apologized…it wasn’t important to Bush Sr or Reagan)…but a president making a comment on racial profiling is what ticks everyone off.
You’re damn right I of all people do appreciate a man like this, you have no idea how pissed off I am that a war hero especially a WWII vet, died this way, but you and I both know you didn’t start this thread for him.
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…and that is why I am continuing to respond…because the bullshit is creeping too high in here.
These people don’t care about this man anymore than they care about anyone else who died today outside their close circle of family and friends.
It simply fits the agenda to pretend…and I would hope any real veteran would hate that shit.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s every, just Walkway and Conservative. [/quote]
Yet I saw someone write that they aren’t racist.
What exactly is the criteria now if this doesn’t qualify?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
I am not coming at this as a race issue, but a social issue. Statistically black people may or may not commit more crimes, however, my stance is that skin color has zero to do with it. There are other soci-economic issues to consider. Like poverty, family structure, prison rate (like you brought indicate to me that more black kids are without a parent because they are in prision, which almost certainly is a factor), etc…
Carjacking may point to a larger issue; however, the context in which I wrote refers to black on white murder ie the thread topic. I’m not see where white people are being killed hand over fist by black people mroe so than vice versa. Your Wikipedia link dispells that. I beleive it was like 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks and like 85% of whites killed by other whites. If you want to talk about other crime, fine, but that’s not what I’ve been talking about.
Perhaps, protests don’t occur in reverse because white people or more apathetic when it comes to murder. Perhaps many of these older folks that protest do so because they remember the late 60s still. Perhaps those that riot are just criminals using an excuse they can to break the law. Perfect example is the looting after Katrina.
We really need to move past the Zimmerman event and I’m sure there are exmples of the exact same thing happening with race’s reversed as your examples. I think if you take an honest step back and look you would see that.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
[/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
[/quote]
Do you think it has something to do with generations of race issues that held back an entire group in this country until less than two generations ago?
I was genuinely hoping that this was not black on white crime when I started reading it so we could talk about the tragedy of this without another race thread. But here we go again.
First off, the pieces of shit that killed this man should be shot as soon a they are found. Any human that would beat a defenseless elderly person to death should be shown no mercy of any kind and the world would be a little better if we took them out of it.
Secondly, I don’t understand getting behind Trayvon as the martyr of racial profiling. He was not, he was committing a crime against someone who did not even know he was black when he initially called the police so the racial bias thing is completely unfounded there. Not only that but Zimmerman had protested the police department that everyone thought loved him so over the beating of a black homeless man by an officer. There was no conviction in that case because there was no crime. Most of those that are using him to prove a point of mistreatment are hurting their cause. By all appearances the Jordan Davis murder is a much more legitimate cause for outrage and you hardly ever hear a thing about it.
Obama should have not said a word about the Zimmerman verdict or case, federal dollars being spent to help organize rallies for a criminal trial is absolutely ridiculous. This does not just apply to this trial, but all trials. However, since he did decide to speak on the trial and use it as an example of racial relation deterioration, he also needs to confront it the other way. I am all for Presidents staying out of things like this as most prior to Obama have, but he didn’t and now he needs to balance his commentary.
And finally, I don’t buy into most statistics regarding race of offenders being that far off the actual crime rates, however, that doesn’t necessarily mean that being black means you commit more crime. I believe the statistics regarding race are simply indicative of the fact that a higher percentage of blacks and Hispanics are poor and it has held up throughout history in all civilized societies (even those that were all the same race) that the poor typically commit the most crimes.
Secondly, I don’t understand getting behind Trayvon as the martyr of racial profiling. He was not, he was committing a crime against someone who did not even know he was black when he initially called the police so the racial bias thing is completely unfounded there. [/quote]
It’s not that simple.
Trayvon is the face of an issue because that is the real reason everyone was upset when his HIGH PROFILE case hit the scene.
It is why some here seem in the dark that racial profiling is a daily issue for entire groups of people…the masses jump on the high profile cases to support their stance.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
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Do you think it has something to do with generations of race issues that held back an entire group in this country until less than two generations ago?[/quote]
Yes, and that same Democrat party gets what % of that group’s vote?
I am not coming at this as a race issue, but a social issue. Statistically black people may or may not commit more crimes, however, my stance is that skin color has zero to do with it. There are other soci-economic issues to consider. Like poverty, family structure, prison rate (like you brought indicate to me that more black kids are without a parent because they are in prision, which almost certainly is a factor), etc…
Carjacking may point to a larger issue; however, the context in which I wrote refers to black on white murder ie the thread topic. I’m not see where white people are being killed hand over fist by black people mroe so than vice versa. Your Wikipedia link dispells that. I beleive it was like 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks and like 85% of whites killed by other whites. If you want to talk about other crime, fine, but that’s not what I’ve been talking about.
Perhaps, protests don’t occur in reverse because white people or more apathetic when it comes to murder. Perhaps many of these older folks that protest do so because they remember the late 60s still. Perhaps those that riot are just criminals using an excuse they can to break the law. Perfect example is the looting after Katrina.
We really need to move past the Zimmerman event and I’m sure there are exmples of the exact same thing happening with race’s reversed as your examples. I think if you take an honest step back and look you would see that.
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It’s the culture. That is my point. When I say culture I don’t mean their roots, etc. I’m talking about what they think is cool, acceptable, and so on and so forth.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
[/quote]
Do you think it has something to do with generations of race issues that held back an entire group in this country until less than two generations ago?[/quote]
Yes, [/quote]
That’s all that matters.
Poverty much like rape is cyclical/perpetual in families. It takes huge strides to break free and opportunity when concerning mass populations.
Two generation would not be long enough for any group of people to recover from that on amass scale…and we would be worse off in that regard right now if not for past affirmative action.
It’s the culture. That is my point. When I say culture I don’t mean their roots, etc. I’m talking about what they think is cool, acceptable, and so on and so forth.
[/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
[/quote]
I think it has to do with the recent trend toward complete the complete lack of father figures in their lives. I don’t know what the deal with that is but I think there are something like 70% of black children born today are born to single mothers. The government plays a part in that with entitlement programs that essentially rewards reproductive irresponsibility with a check. You have mothers taking those checks and then ditching kids off on the grandmothers who have 10 other grandkids they are trying to take care of. My next door neighbor is a 91yo black women who I do odd jobs for occasionally and she was telling me not so long ago that she feared for this generation of black children when the grandmothers that raised their mothers were gone. You have a generation of young black men coming in to adulthood now where many of them knew no male role model and we wonder why they cant seem to get their act together. No one ever showed them how.
I am not coming at this as a race issue, but a social issue. Statistically black people may or may not commit more crimes, however, my stance is that skin color has zero to do with it. There are other soci-economic issues to consider. Like poverty, family structure, prison rate (like you brought indicate to me that more black kids are without a parent because they are in prision, which almost certainly is a factor), etc…
Carjacking may point to a larger issue; however, the context in which I wrote refers to black on white murder ie the thread topic. I’m not see where white people are being killed hand over fist by black people mroe so than vice versa. Your Wikipedia link dispells that. I beleive it was like 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks and like 85% of whites killed by other whites. If you want to talk about other crime, fine, but that’s not what I’ve been talking about.
Perhaps, protests don’t occur in reverse because white people or more apathetic when it comes to murder. Perhaps many of these older folks that protest do so because they remember the late 60s still. Perhaps those that riot are just criminals using an excuse they can to break the law. Perfect example is the looting after Katrina.
We really need to move past the Zimmerman event and I’m sure there are exmples of the exact same thing happening with race’s reversed as your examples. I think if you take an honest step back and look you would see that.
[/quote]
It’s the culture. That is my point. When I say culture I don’t mean their roots, etc. I’m talking about what they think is cool, acceptable, and so on and so forth.
[/quote]
eehhhhhh, I want to agree, but I just can’t. My 60 year old black uncle doesn’t think murder is cool, can you explain it to me better?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Poverty and race/ethnicity[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[35]
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.
Poverty and age[edit source | editbeta]The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:
22% of all people under age 18
13.7% of all people 19?64, and
9% of all people ages 65 and older[35]
Maybe poverty has something to do with it, no?
I was going to post this earlier. It brings up the question of why are so many black youths in poverty? I think blaming profiling can only get you so far in that argument.
[/quote]
Do you think it has something to do with generations of race issues that held back an entire group in this country until less than two generations ago?[/quote]
Yes I do. I also think there is much more to it. These are all complex situations that folks are trying to blame on one variable (ie, race, socioeconomic status, profiling, etc) when it is mostly likely a conglomeration of all these things. Pointing fingers at blacks doesn’t make any more sense to me than pointing fingers at whites.
I could care less about Obama’s and the media’s public outrage because in almost every one of these cases the murderers either rot in hell or a jail cell. Hell, sometimes they do even when they don’t commit a crime, as you’ve pointed out.
If the focus became more on condemning crime than condemning hate crime we would all certainly be in at least a little bit of a better place. I’m sure profiling exists, but when you profile an upstanding citizen you just end up wasting a lot of your time. Somewhere along the way criminals lost their sense of personal responsibility to society, which I think is the most important issue.
I think the party matters, but I’m really just going to make the same remarks on it I have before, so it doesn’t need to be repeated.
[quote]
Poverty much like rape is cyclical/perpetual in families. It takes huge strides to break free and opportunity when concerning mass populations.
Two generation would not be long enough for any group of people to recover from that on amass scale…and we would be worse off in that regard right now if not for past affirmative action.[/quote]
You are absolutely correct. I would only take hypothetical exception to one part, and only do it for the sake of discussion.
One can look at AA much like the credits the government gave after the financial meltdown. he credits were given to prop up housing purchases to try and “ease” the air out of the bubble rather than just let it burst and let the market repair itself. This would have been harsh, but only in the short term. Long term, we would be in a better spot now, than we are.
If you apply the “rip the Band-Aid off” rational the AA, one could argue we would be better off today having just fixed those issues ourselves rather than have government mandated social structure.