[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
I’ll take that as meaning you can’t come up with anything. This is perfect symptoms of empire decline. We deplete the treasury on needless wars while our own people are lacking. We worry about the security and affairs of others nations instead of concentrating on our own.
"WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives" - Major General Smedley Butler, USMC[/quote]
You could be completely right but it doesn’t matter anymore. Your credibility was vaporized…like in a gas oven close to a sign that says, “Arbeit macht frei”.
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Bringing up the Holocaust are we? Seems like you can’t criticize Israel without that coming up. Because what happened 65 years ago gives the Israeli’s a pass to do the exact same thing to the Palestinians now right?
By the way I am not criticizing Jews but Zionists. And I hope you don’t think all Jews fall into that category. Some Christians are just as rabidly Zionist. And some Jews are just as anti-zionist and realize the folly of American and Israeli foreign policy.
Okay, who shoots a weightlifting video in the middle of a firefight?
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
I’ll take that as meaning you can’t come up with anything. This is perfect symptoms of empire decline. We deplete the treasury on needless wars while our own people are lacking. We worry about the security and affairs of others nations instead of concentrating on our own.
"WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives" - Major General Smedley Butler, USMC[/quote]
You could be completely right but it doesn’t matter anymore. Your credibility was vaporized…like in a gas oven close to a sign that says, “Arbeit macht frei”.
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Bringing up the Holocaust are we? Seems like you can’t criticize Israel without that coming up. Because what happened 65 years ago gives the Israeli’s a pass to do the exact same thing to the Palestinians now right?
By the way I am not criticizing Jews but Zionists. And I hope you don’t think all Jews fall into that category. Some Christians are just as rabidly Zionist. And some Jews are just as anti-zionist and realize the folly of American and Israeli foreign policy.[/quote]
As it stands, Israel is there and to reverse the status quo would probably end up being a fairly big moral failing. No, Israel should never have been created… but it’s there now.
The real issue is the failing of the world to step in and say look, here are your borders, fight any more and we’ll nuke you to kingdom come. Instead, there has been constant warmongering by people who think conflict in that area will trigger the end times or think that the country is legitimate based on a book of fairy tales.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
…No, Israel should never have been created… but it’s there now…
[/quote]No, New Zealand should have never been created. It’s formation is a travesty…but it’s there now…
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Actually, no, it shouldn’t have. And yet to change that now would be an even greater wrong.
Are you genuinely this retarded or do you just not read posts?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Do you honestly think that you have the intellectual wherewithal to decide which countries “should’ve been created?” Does your immense barrel of hubris at the tender age of 22 actually authorize this?
Do you strut around the streets of Auckland, Wellington, Dunedin or wherever puttin’ the chokehold of contempt on those whose sense of morality about “country creation” isn’t quite as “refined” as yours? Whose spiritual faith differs from yours? [/quote]
Yes Push, I come up with my opinions on my own and do not get information from other sources.
Try harder.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]MaliMedved wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
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The basic reason we went to war in Iraq BOTH TIMES dates back to 1991 when Saddam mercilessly invaded Kuwait. There was a lot more in play than WMDs.
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Yes. Oil.[/quote]
less the 20% of the oil. that that US consumes. comes from the Persian Gulf. most of the oil. in that region go’s to China and Europe. I hate when people make the oil argument. we are there for other REASONS.[/quote]
20% of oil consumed by largest oil consuming nation on earth = mucho oil. Muy mucho oil. Muy grande mucho oil.
Not to mention the price of the other 80% of the oil we consume is directly tied to the stability of the 20%.[/quote]
you are right about price oil connection. but every single, power since the Roman Empire. has had a interest in that region. trade/invasion routes that link africa, asia, and europe together. land that is held sacred, by 2/3 of humanity. it goes much deeper. then most westerners truly understand. media coverage is superficial at best. clouded by ideology at is worst. I’m talking about both the left and right.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
“Remembering the rallies”? Yeah, the folks at the rallies were in the know. They had it figured out what with their combined average IQ of 65.[/quote]
How does it feel then, knowing that people with an average IQ of 65 didn’t buy into an idiotic war which you are now, despite all of the evidence, still trying to justify?[/quote]
shut it you limey bastard.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
“Remembering the rallies”? Yeah, the folks at the rallies were in the know. They had it figured out what with their combined average IQ of 65.[/quote]
How does it feel then, knowing that people with an average IQ of 65 didn’t buy into an idiotic war which you are now, despite all of the evidence, still trying to justify?[/quote]
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.