[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
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- The need for the U.S. to fight terrorists, including the perpetrators of 9/11 and those who aided or harbored them.
Again, according to the entire intelligence community, this would eliminate Iraq since there was NO evidence whatsoever linking Hussein with any terrorist acts committed against the U.S.
[/quote]Dead wrong.
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Czech intelligence. Prague. Atta. April 2001.
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Two Iraqis imprisoned by Kurds. Interviewed by Nightline. Established working relationship between Al Qaeda and Iraqi govt since the invasion of Kuwait.
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Muhammed Mansur Shihabili. He killed "for the Iraqi intelligence and Al Qaeda.
Read Michael Ledeen’s book, The Terror Masters. Don’t get all your information from the NYT. Explore your world, Cooper.
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Hahaha. Really Push? Czech intelligence? Two Iraqis imprisoned by Kurds? Do you think the Kurds wouldn’t want to link Hussein in any way, shape or form to 9/11. Muhammed Mansur Shihabili? A contract killer? THIS is the justification for going to war? This is credible evidence. You’ve lost it.[/quote]
This is part of the justification for going to war (the long list was presented earlier). Or rather this is some “evidence” which is what you requested. Evidence and proof are two different things. I think you’re smart enough to know the difference.
Now you may not like the long list. You may present evidence that has surfaced since 2002. You may armchair quarterback like many of us do. And you may have lost it.
Bottom line is you are no ordained arbiter of Truth. Climb down off the throne - you don’t belong there.
There are many facets to this discussion. A lot in play here. No definitive plan as to the Right course of action even now with hindsight.[/quote]
Hindsight is 20/20 and you know what? Who benefited the most from the Iraq War? Israel
Who lobbied the most support for a war with Iraq? AIPAC
Who were the main architects behind the Iraq War?
1). Paul Wolfowitz – Deputy Defense Secretary, Bush’s foreign policy campaign advisor. Appointed to the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in 1973. Mark Green in his article Serving two flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush administration www.counterpunch.org noted: Ã?¢??WolfowitzÃ?¢?Ã?¦brought to ACDA a strong attachment to IsraelÃ?¢??s security, and a certain confusion about his obligation to U.S. national security.Ã?¢?? Investigated in 1978 for passing classified documents to Israel through an American Israeli Public Affairs Committee intermediary. There was no indictment.
After the terrorist attacks of 9/11 Wolfowitz argued strongly for war with Iraq rather than with the center of power and training for Al Qaeda, Afghanistan.
2). Richard Perle – One of George Bush’s Foreign Policy Advisors. Chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. A close personal friend of former prime minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu. in 1996, Perle was behind the report A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm written for the incoming Israeli Likud Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.
In 1970 Pearle was recorded by the FBI discussing classified information with the Israeli Embassy. In 1981 he worked for an Israeli defense contractor. Also in 1981 he was appointed Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy an agency that monitors defense technology exports.
3). Douglas Feith – Headed reconstruction in Iraq. Was Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel.
Feith was fired from a position with the National Security Council in 1972 due to an investigation into his passing documents to the Israeli Embassy. In 1986 he opened a law firm in Israel Feith and Zell and later obtained a pardon for the Jewish arms dealer Marc Rich from president Clinton. During the late 80’s and early 90’s he wrote op-ed pieces in Israeli newspapers arguing for the Palestinians moving to Jordan and that the West Bank was a part of Israel. He also argued for regime change in Iraq. He is a founding member of One Jerusalem, an Israeli organization that wants no compromise with the Palestinians on any part of Jerusalem.
4). Elliott Abrams – National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based “think tank” Ethics and Public Policy Center. He is associated with “think tanks” PNAC, AEI, CSP, JINSA, and with the Likud government in Israel. Close associate of Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, Marc Paul Gerecht, Michael Ledeen and Paul Wolfowitz. In his boo he calls for Jews to marry Jews and retain their ethnic cohesion. Convicted of lying to Congress in the Iran/Contra affair he was sentenced to 2 yrs. probation, 100 hours of community service and a $50.00 fine. He was given a Christmas pardon by Bush 1.
5). Abraham Shulsky-- Prot�?�©g�?�©e of Richard Pearle and friend of Paul Wolfowitz. He was appointed head of the Office of Special Plans which was under Feith and Wolfowitz. This office eventually became more powerful in relation to Iraq than the CIA or the Defense Intelligence Agency. It supplied the major portion of the fraudulent intelligence that was used by the Bush administration to justify the War in Iraq. It is believed that the OSP worked closely with Mossad to exaggerate Iraqi weapons estimates.
6). Stephen Bryen In 1978 he was investigated for offering classified documents to the Israeli Embassy’s Mossad chief in front of a representative of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). From 1979 to 1981 Bryen served as executive director for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. He was hired by Richard Pearle during the Reagan years for the position of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense. In 1988 Richard Pearle and Stephen Bryen temporarily got permission to export sensitive technology used in anti-ballistic missiles (klystron technology). Two senior Department of Defense colleagues said the attempt to export the technology was “standard operating procedure” for Stephen Bryen. They recalled numerous instances of US companies being unable to get export licensure for certain technologies only to find (US derived) copies being sold by Israel.
The investigation was closed after the Senate Foreign Relations Committee refused to grant access to the Justice Department’s files and after Plilip Heymann, the Jewish chief of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division (very active in the campaign to free Israeli spy Pollard) closed the investigation.
7). Michael Leeden Executive Director of the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs 1977-1979. During the years of Ronald Regan Leeden was considered an agent of influence by the CIA and suspected of espionage by his superior at the Defense Department, Noel Koch. Consultant to Abraham Shulsky’s Office of Special Plans that supplied fraudulent intelligence to the Bush Administration regarding Iraq.
8). And of course let’s not forget that piece of shit Scooter Libby.
What do all of these men have in common? They are all Jewish and they are all rabid, hate mongering, murdering Zionists.[/quote]
Now to be fair and balanced please give us a litany of those who opposed the war along with their rap sheets.
(You should’ve edited out your final sentence. You completely destroyed your credibility by exposing who you actually are)[/quote]
For once Push, I wholeheartedly agree with you.