Ya, for sure. I haven’t been as diligent at monitoring my intake as I knew that Tren was a great fat burner and most guys end up cutting pretty quickly right out of the gate. Have heard a bunch of times from a few guys that you cant out eat Tren, which I thought was bull and apparently in my case isn’t true.
My current stance on steroids is that if a person wants the look everyone associates with steroids, he has to know that the average BIG guy probably takes like 2-5 grams of gear with 20iu of GH a day + other stuff. And these are Instagram guys, not Mr O level guys. Dallas McCarver had test levels equal to like 10 grams of test a week alone i believe.
So basically, 350mgs of tren does nothing if we want to be like 250+ shredded/300lbs.
Also keep in mind that those 1-3 year steroid transformations are not made by blasting 3 months and then cruising for 3… they are made by blasting for 1-3 years.
If i would have to start from 0, i would start at lower dosages but i would up them every month until i reach like 1g of test and 700mgs of tren or smth like that and then add stuff slowly in, every month, for a year up to 3 years and if something doesnt agree with you, you just drop that stuff and add in smth else.
Again, i am talking about goals that way above average level. If a person wants to be 200lbs with a six pack, he can just do 200mgs of test, put in the work and be there in a few years at any age, imo.
No one below 220lbs unless he is very short and super lean, should even consider tren or most of the steroids - they are not needed for that.
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There is no need. Its just an example. You can cut down that number 10 times, it wouldnt be 100times my level, it would be 10 times my level, so it would still be VIALS of test a week.
Actually i rmb Greg Valentino saying how he just injected whole vials of stuff every week.
Athletes downplay steroid use because people who dont know would think less of them, exactly like pro fighters downplay the sheer stupid luck that makes up for at least 50% of K.Os, because they want everyone to believe they did the thing on purpose because of the skill.
But when we talk amongst each other, we can be honest. We shouldnt bullshit each other because we know ourselves.
There are tons of guys who have done 1g of test and didnt even look enhance while on it.
In fact, i would actually believe that just 1g of test would not give 99% of people any type of steroid look. Just a bit blockier average gym dude.
More people should have roughly this as their goal IMO. I’d propose more of a height vs weight table or equation with the assumption of being lean. I’d say the 200 lbs is pretty good for around my height (5’10"), and lean. It doesn’t take that much gear to achieve it, but it can look pretty good compared to most people. Everyone is entitled to their own goals though.
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I get where you are going here. I’m not arguing that your go big or stay home approach is what yields a “I look like I’m on steroids” physique. Still, I think a gram of Test would get you there. I would dare say most people don’t want quite that look. It seems most people just want to look like they’ve lifted for 10+ years in short order. I hate the short cutting, but that the most common new post we get on here it seems. Funny thing is if we get those rare before/after photos they are not that dramatic.
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Its not my approach…well, it is for me, but im not saying anyone needs to follow. I like how @mnben87 explained it before, that some people have those “lean at 200lbs” goals and those are ok. I just think that you can get there with TRT or a bit over it.
I dont think you will benefit A LOT from going from TRT to 1g of test. For example. I dont think that you or @mnben87 will get some WOW result if you would up the test to 1g for 6 months. You would bloat a bit, gain some 10lbs that wont be visually too noticable, might fill some shirts a bit better but thats mostly it.
For people like you both, probably adding 500mgs of tren to the mix also wouldnt do that. You would look a bit more cut with those extra 10lbs, a bit more strenght, maybe add some extra 5lbs while looking leaner. Might have some tren-ish look, but even then, you wont look like “wow what the fuck did you take?”.
I believe that people who have trained for a while, and are either on trt or on low dose cruise, wont gain much if they double or triple their dosages. What they need is 10 times the dosages + other stuff, to actually blow up for real.
I held same size, with extra 5-10lbs of fat on top of what i have now, on 300mgs of test for like 9 months for sure. Couldnt progress tho, all weight gains went to fat.
Now on 875mgs of test and 700mgs of tren E, i am like 5-10lbs leaner, same size, looking more cut, aaand i can slowly progress week to week, and weight gain is not all fat.
Still, if i was wearing a shirt thats a bit lose, no one would tell the difference. Me, squatting from the back(without being able to show that i have some abs now) i look basically the same as i did on 300mgs.
My goal now is to add less than a pound of weight every 3 weeks. Its basically like 100 grams a week. Taking into account that i dont do any hypertrophy training for legs anymore, that is a maximum amount of gains i can hope for and if half of that is muscle, it would end up like 3-4lbs of muscle on the upper body if i blast the whole year without failing.
Big whoop… Thats 1,5g of gear a week + 1iu of GH every night + 4ius of insulin 3 times a day with meals resulting in MAYBE 3-4lbs of muscle on the upper body if blasting A YEAR straight.
I feel like i am taking the bare minimum to even hope to get ANY progress.
In order for me to blow up from here, i would need to double the gear, do like 10-20ius of GH a day and 10-15ius of slin with every meal. And now thats already closer to what i believe big boys are taking.
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You won’t have water retention on tren first off but you should be using a test base because it could be crushing your natural test production almost 100% certain of it which will make you get fat AF fast AF which is hard on the ole ticker but it usually takes about three weeks for tren e to peak my suggestion to you would be doing a trt dose of test with it test e or c if your looking for long esters do 1ml or 250mg minimum once a week but with your dose of the dirty orange I would say 250mg 2x a week with either .5 armidex ED or 1mg EOD
Just to add to my comment also… that’s a (normal dose) but a large dose for a new tren user you should consider lowering it to maybe 300-350 until you figure out how your going to react to it I call it the dirty orange because you can get some dirty sides from it and using a long ester if you do have unbearable sides your going to have to deal with them for min a week till they start to subside just food for thought brother!
He is.
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Must have missed that post… still pretty low dose my opinion I would pin 250 twice a week
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Depending on genes you might get a better or worse looking result. For example, i weight same as Chris Bumstead but his frame and WHERE his muscle grows, make him look much better for bodybuilding standards, but it doesnt mean i have to feel bad about my size. I have no way of meeting him but i have met a lot of local bodybuilders and in my experience 120kgs is 120kgs if its not fat. Sure, arms look better due to genetics, some pretty chest muscle insertions and stuff but on the street “big is big” and the difference is not that much actually.
So what i mean by blowing up is not changing my genetics and getting that elite look. Its gaining extra weight where my body adds it, but big is big. 120kgs standing next to each other dwarfs anyone who is 105kgs no matter the genetics and insertions.
As far as the thing where drugs work or dont work, thats the todays new lie.
Brandon Harding and some other competitors measure dicks by lying how little they take to get ready for shows. Its like this new thing where you lie how little you take and that means you have better genetics than other guys.
I have come to believe that yes - genetics matter, but drugs do not care. Thats why they exist. You will never look like Chris Bumsted without genetics but you can be bigger and stronger than he is. Now you wont be bigger than Rammy and wont be stronger than Hafthor probably but you can be very very respectable.
The problem with the old thinking of genetics, is that the big boys take cycles like you quoted for 5 years straight.
We do 500mgs of test for 3 months, dont get the same results they do, and now we bitch about them having better genetics.
No, guys… They fucking take 5 grams of gear, 20ius of growth a day, spend money on GH more than you spend on a house and car combined, and that is why they are big.
We want to take 500mgs for a few months and have same results or “naaa, i dont have the genetics”. None of “i dont have genetics” bitches, me included, havent put in the fucking work and the fucking oil for 1/10th of the time they do.
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You won’t gain 10 lbs of fat in 12 days (did I have those reversed?). Anyway, it’s the latter