Gentlemen, I am 37, 5’9, 186 lbs, 25% bf.
Been lifting since 15, and practicing other sports for around the same time, muay thai, running, surfing, etc. Being lifting and thai boxing the main ones. I am considering doing a 1st cycle with Durateston/Sustanon 250 + nandrolone/Deca 100, a mild beginner cycle, although, some may say it’s not mild at all.
5 weeks, 2 stings per week Mondays and Thursdays.
Pct with Clomid.
My supplier (let’s call him he from now on) is a retired bodybuilder who’s taken a lot of stuff. I am not doubting his experience, but he can be a bit hard headed.
Here are my ponderations:
After research I found that 6-8 weeks may be a safer choice or else one may rip most of the collaterals instead of the benefits. He said 5 weeks is a good time-frame because it is my 1st time and I’m not taking too much. Which would be better?
He wanted me to take sus + tren because that’s the best combination. It may be true, but I said no (I don’t think tren for a 1st timer is a good choice), but am open to take only Sus. In that case he still believes 5 weeks 2x a week is a good choice. Again, I thought 6-8 weeks would be more appropriate. However, I am a layman. What do you think?
After looking into it I’ve seen that it is recommended to take an AI ie., arimidex or anastozol on week 2 of the cycle starting with .020mg instead of .5 mg (because one does not want the estrogen levels to crash). After all, test and Deca can (probably will) aromatize. Yet, I’ve also seen that one should take an AI every other day, or when noticing side effects. He told me it’s not necessary to take it whatsoever because I will get such a low dose I won’t experience this side effects and the pct with Clomid will suffice.What should I believe here?
After watching and reading things here and elsewhere, I know a pct is necessary, however, I also find different information. Some say to start 3-4 days after the last pin, others say to start 3 weeks after the last pin, especially when taking Sus due to the different half-life of the tests in the compound. He says to start taking immediately after the last shot for 1-4 months.
What would you do different?
Especially, how can I prevent arortization while on these 2 or maybe only on Sustanon (especially gyno) without crashing.
Your input would be appreciated.
Your friend is a moron. Sustanon will prob just be reaching full saturation in the 5 weeks he suggests. Same with Deca. A five week cycle would need to be run with short esther gear to be sensible. You also have too much body fat. You should be under 12-15%.
First cycle is test only. Please drop some fat and then come back for advice. When you do, please list your training plan, eating log and goals. It’s always good to post a pic as well.
If I were to run a low dose of test e for the same amount of time (granted 5 weeks is recommendable), what would be the appropriate time to run the pct? Cause as I said, I find different information on the topic. What about the AI, would it be necessary concomitantly, after noticing side effects or not necessary at all?
I don’t know that much about pct as I am a trt guy so don’t need to pct.
If your gonna cycle on and off no matter what amount of gear I would run 10-12 weeks. Why would you wanna shut your balls down for such an inadequate cycle length. Your asking for an unpleasant experience when it’s done.
As far as ai that will depend on how you respond to the test and how much you take. Another issue would be your high body fat. You will prob aromatize at a higher rate.
Again. I’m recommending you wait to cycle and lose some body fat.
Which first 2 are you talking about, Durateston/Sustanon 250 + nandrolone/Deca 100, or Deca+Dura for 6-8 weeks?
300-500mg ins’t a bit much for a 1st timer?
He is not my friend, I also never said he is/was very successful, only that he is a retired bodybuilder, he does have pics on stage looking completely huge and ripped. So I’d say he knows more than I do (which is not hard given I"m a layman), that’s all. No need to take it to the ass, mate, relax.
Nevertheless, thanks for your input.
I’m sure this is a local colloquialism, but I am very relaxed. No worries there. And I don’t mean any offense in my answer. But the BBer giving you advice is leading you down the wrong path of long-estered (and therefore long lasting) compounds for short durations (5-6 weeks). I would not listen to anything he tells you, but I’m just a random guy on the internet, so we have a dilemma lol.
If you wanna stick to 5-6 weeks, look up test propionate, short acting, peaks fairly quickly. 100mg EOD would be a decent first cycle. Or you could look at orals like Dbol or Oxandrolone that act and clear quickly. Drawbacks to either approach. But good luck! Don’t take it to the ass! (Did I use that right?)
You’re going to be criticized because you are coming on here ill informed and also far from cycle ready based on your own provided stats. So be prepared for a flame fest. You clearly done have a knowledge of pharma including half lives, peak saturation times, etc. As mentioned already it would be stupid to run long esters for 5 weeks. The Nandrolone alone will take longer than that to reach peak saturation. So, get yourself in better starting shape, research your pharma, and start with a better plan. @swoops39 already spoon fed you the basic first cycle.
Just my opinion, but I think dbol and var together would be a decent cycle for a beginner given some caveats (no health issues related to oral steroids for one…). There are a few advantages to using both over one of the other. A combo could give someone much less chance of estrogenic sides (both too much or too little depending on which drug), and less hit to the liver come to mind. If one took a bit of HCG through it, they could start a mild SERM PCT a few days after stopping the orals, and most likely have a very minor recovery. Just less risk to the hpta than a longer cycle.
I have 0 idea about the cycle, but are you ready to be on TRT forever? no guarantee you will come back PCT will work etc…your T will be depressed on this and might not come back?
just citing the youtube docs i am listening to lol
After quickly reading your intro, i dont see any reason why do you even wanna take steroids… You say to are active but 25% bodyfat says you are not. Not that much size/muscle - 189lbs minus the high bodyfat - i dont see you been eating for bodybuilding or powerlifting.
Thai Boxing doesnt require you to take drugs at such low weight class also.
Dianabol alone is a nice cycle. I did that the first 5, or so, years that I used AAS. And all those cycles I took 15mg/day max. My cycles started a 4 weeks and went up to 8 weeks.