1RMs Do Nothing for Your Strength? What Did Jones Mean?

Yep - I think it was Andy Bolton that used to say “Strength is a skill”.

If you don’t practice going heavy for low reps you’ll never be good at it. Sounds simple when you put it like that right?

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Well I agree with you that calling people stupid does not make you smart, I disagree about Arthur’s knowledge about strength training.

So many people have expressed similar sentiments, it doesn’t suprise me at all.

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I am 100% ok with that.

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This always gives me a chance to beat the wardrum about how 1rms aren’t necessarily measures of strength.

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I was so close to tagging you in to have that discussion, but i decided we’d run into so many semantic arguments it wouldn’t be worth while.

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It’s actually in the context of comparing barbells to machines. And he discusses “developing the skill of competitive weightlifting” before he says anything about explosive training.

I interpreted “the skill of competitive weightlifting” to mean the exercise technique - squat/bench/deadlift/clean and jerk/snatch - which cannot be practiced on any machine.

Since there’s no mention of training parameters (load, volume, etc.), I’d say that statement is, at face value, ignorant and incorrect.

Again, a vague comment which disregards actual training parameters. I’d counter by highlighting that machine-based, isolation-focused training will destroy your joints.

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Good point.

I believe the NFL Combine does not use 1RM’s but how many total reps you can do with a certain weight for its potential players, which I think is 225 lbs. Not sure if the NFL does this because of safety or because they also do not think 1RM’s are a good measure of strength or a combination of both reasons.

Tradition, primarily. The bench press test is silly and ALSO a test of skill. Joe DeFranco has a specialized course in getting as many reps as possible on that test, and I’m fairly certain Louie Simmons offers similar instruction.

Who are They, and what have they ever done for strength training?!?

Of course, I kid.

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This does remind me quite a bit about people still wondering about what Bruce Lee thought about XYZ when we have have DECADES of legitimate and confirmed badasses since then that have had VERY valuable opinions worth looking into.

Dan John is a living treasure. Louie Simmons as well. They’re still talking: let’s listen.

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What they lack in calling people stupid they make up for with incredible information and a massive portfolio of high performance athletes.

:balance_scale:

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Thanks

My younger self can confirm this.

I think the missing element in the discussion there is “why are you lifting?”. Once you’ve figured that out, it becomes far easier to work out whether near maximal singles have any value or not.

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Was watching this during lunch and think it may add some good context/info if anyone wants to learn a thing or two.

EDIT: I know the question was directed to Dr. D regarding what Jones was talking about, but luckily there are other people with a LOT of information about this subject who can help educate as well.

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Disagree on a number of points presented in the video like transformation of FT to ST, lower number of reps for squats, necessity to mix things just because it’s good to have a mix and not because you understand that some of your muscles are ST and thus they require more reps. In a nutshell, nothing earthshattering. And, by the way, Jones knew much more than these yourtube guys after his 50+ years of training and intensive research in the field.

I wondered how long this was going to take.

Get your popcorn ready guys.

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How much do you know about Dr. Mike Israetel?
:eyes:

I don’t need to know much about him. What’s important is to understand the things he advocates.

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