I think I proved your point in the update I just posted. I’m in college and at my school, I’m pretty much surrounded by beautiful women most of the day, on top of having sex a couple days a week. I never masturbate or look at porn anymore. I think I’m just overthinking this and that I will see improvement after more time off AI and on NDT.
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Yup . I honesty can’t go 3-4 days without. I get so much libido I can’t focus on work or do anything else.
Erections get stronger the longer I abstain as well.
Lol sex lasts a lot shorter for me after a few days w/o too.
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I’m starting to realize that suboxone is what’s making me last so damn long. The longer I wait to take suboxone the higher my libido is and the better sex feels. It must have to do with my brain having less junk tires to receptors. Also suboxone lowers estrogen so the longer I wait the higher my estrogen is and therefore libido and Sensitivity is higher.
On the other hand hcg does the trick. It creates estrogen where I need it and that always improves my sensivigiy and libido. Sex 2-3 days after is always the best. I’m about to just take it every 3 days. Or wait until I have stable options at home.
Might go mad
@enackers
I’m lucky if I can even orgasm within 5-6 hours after taking sub. Granted I’m on a way higher dose than you I believe and have been on it for a decade. I’ve learned exactly how to time it.
How much are you taking again? To get down to 4mg is super easy. This shit is so strong even 1mg is like a drop of fentanyl. I went from 16 to 4 in 30 days. It didn’t bother me at all. Dropping from 16 to 8 was over night. Dropped another 1mg every couple days.
Also do you keep the film under your tongue for 45-60 mins? Don’t wait 15 mins it’s a waste of time.
So the suboxone really is causing my ability to last. I go about 30 mins in bed. I can tell you when she’s hot as F it’s like ten mins haha.
Yeah dude I take 8mg. I split it into 3 doses throughout the day. I’ll be coming off of it using a long taper soon. I use Subutex tablets (just buprenorphine). They definitely cause delayed ejaculation like no other.
Does it melt? How long does it take to melt and absorb.
I keep it under the tounge for 10 mins and then spit out.
Dude no wonder. I wait 45 mins . It lasts 20
Hours. You are taking 8mg because you aren’t absorbing 8 make sense? I guarantee you could take 2 mg am and 2pm and be totally fine.
Put it under the tongue and keep the tongue glued to the bottom of your mouth for 45 mins.
You will know it’s absorbed when you can taste the med anymore.
10 mins is a waste of money friend.
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Had to google what suboxone was but I can imagine having higher E2 and sensitivity would help w that side effect. Good luck tapering off.
Still haven’t taken any AI since that last dose and I’m feeling great. I used to get real bloated when I stopped AI, none of that this time around. Face isn’t puffy, dick is working fine. Two days ago, I felt an odd self consciousness at the gym that I never feel, but other than that single time, emotions are fine. I’ve been eating slightly less and cleaner (usually two big meals a day breakfast and dinner, with small carb/protein meals surrounding workouts) and have been slowly losing body fat. My hope is that I’m sort of helping my body not need the AI by lowering aromatase in my BF, which will in turn increase conversion to DHT to help libido. Things are still looking good though. I will be getting thyroid labs towards the end of this week to try to get more NDT.
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I considering NDT/Armour myself, since our situations are very similar (varicocele sufferers), would really appreciate it if you could keep this thread updated. I think you posted this prior in your thread, but did you ever notice coldness in your junk at some points while dealing with all this?
Don’t expect perfection. It takes ten days for this junk to leave the system as well. Just fight
The good fight for your body and long term health.
Glad you listenEd to logic.
I’ve never noticed any coldness in the testis.
Couldn’t get the thyroid labs done this weekend. If anyone has any good literature they could link me to for what I could show my doctor on why it would be safe to increase NDT, let me know. Gonna attempt to just say “I feel like the benefits have diminished and increasing the dose would help, if I notice any hyperthyroid symptoms, then obviously I know it will have been too much.”
Got thyroid blood tests, waiting on results. In case this doesn’t work out, has anyone tried T3 from one of those research chemical websites? I can’t name sources, but the site I get Cialis from definetely has cialis that works. Would sublingual T3 dosage on top of my NDT give me the results I want? Would sublingual last most the day or would I have to dose it multiple times throughout the day?
Google aipct
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I believe any T3 would really need to be twice a day, it’s short lived.
After a few weeks on NDT, labs came back.
TSH is down to 2. FT3 is still hovering around the same area. Since these labs were taken, I’ve began taking NDT sublingually. I let the pill sit under my tongue till it’s dissolved, then I rinse it around my mouth for some Bucol absorption, then I swallow what’s left. I’ve noticed an improvement from this, feeling pretty good on 1.5 grains. It’s cool that I can feel the thyroid hormones effects right away when I take it sublingually, and they last me all day. I’ve been taking my full dose in the morning, because splitting it didn’t really give me any benefit. Both ways, I’m still dead tired until I take it in the morning. I sent these labs to my doctor to see if I can up the dose. Libido comes and goes, still not consistent but I’m waiting to see improvement.
Things I’ve noticed is my skin is tighter and my body fat is lowering, despite eating a relatively normal amount. I don’t count calories anymore, but I’m eating whenever I’m hungry, and I’m still looking thinner, most noticeably is my chin/jaw is much tighter. I’ll start weighing myself to track this. I remember that a couple of months ago when I took proviron and iodine and had a really strong libido, I had these same effects, except to a higher degree. I was very vascular at the time, jaw and skin was tight, and libido was very strong.
This is good, as I do want to lose some body fat to allow for more DHT conversion for libido.
Still have not taken any AI, but have had no issues there. My penis has gotten very sensitive and I last much shorter in bed actually. I may try lowering my dose from 232 weekly to 196, or maybe 210 split into ED (-1 or -2 ml a day). When my libido was strongest, I had been on 210 weekly for a month or two. Regardless, NDT has made AI pretty much not needed for me, but I still lean on cialis for ED issues.
I believe that if I can raise this dose to maybe 2 grains in the morning and 1 in afternoon, I should be good. I will keep this thread updated.
Edit: don’t know why rt3 wasn’t tested.