I’m dropping the AI, but I’m a little confused on what you suggest about the NDT. I’m going to get thyroid lab work completed soon to confirm that I can raise my NDT dosage. That article really just details one poor guy who obviously responded poorly. So far I still experience some mild hypo symptoms so my goal is to see if raising the dose eradicates symptoms without causing issues. If you have any suggestions for what I should be doing differently, please share, because I don’t want that to happen to me. But I don’t understand where I’m going wrong.
Thank you for this input. Very educational, I’m going to run this by my doc and see what he thinks!
I took a look at your thread and you were right there was a lot of argument. I tried to soak up as much actual info as I could without reading all +1k posts, but do you know any information from that thread off the top of your head that may specifically help me in my case? I’m dropping the AI again. I’m going to sit through any mild high E2 symptoms I get. If I get any more severe high E2 symptoms, I’m going to lower my testosterone dosage, as I’ve got plenty of bottom end to lower to since I’m at 224mg weekly already.
Yes 2 and 2. It’s bzsed on labs. Men with thyroid symptoms can resolve symptoms by bringing ft3 to the upper end of max.
are you taking the grain on a totally empty stomach? You should and don’t drink or eat for about 45-1hour.
You are worried about estrogen for no reason. Don’t worry about it friend just let the body create what it needs. There are zero factual issues that occur when estrogen is 40+. All of the literature on e2 shows it’s not going to do any harm.
This 40 + is where we find the benefits we want from estrogen . Lots of info on this.
I can bet you’ll feel so much better without ai. Libido , heart, brain health and so many other benefits will occur .
Thanks, very helpful contribution.
I agree. A woman is supposed to turn you on. Amazing I don’t know cialis is working until I get aroused and salute.
Does anyone else have issues with cialis or viagra making them TOO hard? I can’t really take the stuff. I get almost numb I’m so hard when I use either and loss of sensitivity makes it difficult to get the job done
Yes 2 grains am and Pm. If it worked and died off you should and can take more. That’s what happens to me. My doc heard me say what you did and increased me to 2 and 2. All symptoms resolved. Important part is taking enough later in the day so that you wake up with enough in the system. Otherwise you wake up with less thyroid hormones and you can’t top it off, by midday you are even lower. Where with 2 and 2 you wake up and have a higher baseline that you are adding onto.
Men who resolve thyroid symptoms have labs that show ft3 in the top end ranges. Usually 4…5 to 5 out of 5 or 5-6 out of max range of 6. I have noticed allot of guys who get up to 4 and don’t crease towards 5 usually don’t feel great. My doc pointed this out and he’s got way more experience than me as an HRT doctor.
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Let me add usually men show higher top end lab ranges for ft3 when optimized and dialed in on thyroid meds.
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K my red eye is about to take off so that’s about it for me tonight haha. Have a consult w dr Saya tomorrow so we’ll see how that goes
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Ditto bed time safe travels. Or dreams 
Viagra made me lose some sensitivity. I don’t think the reason was too hard though.
I take daily 5mg cialis.
Sounds good. Should I stick at my 232mg weekly dose? I’ve read about guys feeling better on lower doses, but I’m nervous to decrease as I attribute any benefits I’ve seen so far to being on a high dose of testosterone. I don’t understand why this would be the case. I read about guys who run cycles of testosterone at 500+ mg a week who say they feel amazing (even past the 20wk mark) compared to their natural test. Why would this thinking not apply when comparing something like 100mg weekly to 232mg weekly? Or am I completely wrong here?
That department seems fine for me. But I miss being out and seeing a sexy woman and feeling just a drive. I don’t really feel the same, strong desire for sex that I used to.
Never noticed any negative effects from cialis. Its nice just to lean on for somewhat of a placebo. I feel like after I take cialis, any negative psychological factors go away since I feel as though i should have no trouble getting an erection. Plus, the refractory period is shortened significantly.
Your problem is more than likely varicocele, i have it as well. I got it fixed but it made little difference, though the pain was greatly reduced.
I have studied and have a lot of insights into the damage done by varicocele, please see my responses in this thread:
Cool. Not sure why it does that to me… I’ve read it’s an anti E2 to some people but not noticeable to a lot. I’ve wondered if that’s why it doesn’t sit well with me, not sure.
Yup stick to it it’s not a big deal.
That’s what I meant. That is not what you meant ? Sure if I’m with a woman it’s fine;but I also see a fine woman and have to control myself:
Libido is fixed by abstienance from both sex and visual frequency. Meaning the less I see sex or good looking women the more women turn me on.
If I go a week, the following week I’m like a damn teenager.
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Just an update:
It’s now been 4 days since I’ve taken any AI. I haven’t experienced any gyno flare-up as I have in past attempts stopping AI. I should mention, I take 12’g boron and a standard dose of ZMA (I think like 90% of brands have the same 450mg blend) everyday with my injection. Libido hasn’t improved yet, but erectile function hasn’t suffered at all.
Regardless, I’ve taken a look at the past week and I’m beginning to think things are looking really well. I’ve actually managed to have sex multiple times a day most days this past week, prob thanks a lot to cialis but still it’s working. I feel good, despite not getting the best sleep. Energy hasnt really suffered a too much despite a bit of a lack of sleep. I’ve read in other threads that some people get mild insomnia when dropping AI, and I’ve been having nights where I can’t sleep earlier than 2-3AM despite having a full day including an hour+ long workout.
I believe that the NDT has really helped me with testosterone/estrogen metabolism. I’ve read that thyroid hormones regulate every bodily function, and I think that I’ve had much more success stopping AI now because of this, whereas previously while hypothyroid, I’ve struggled with either excess estrogen conversion or slow estrogen clearance in the liver. My doctor has said that he will write the script for more NDT so long as I get bloodwork that proves it to be safe. Im getting a TSH, FT3, FT4, RT3, and TPO blood panel in a week or so to hopefully get the script. If that fails, I can try to order some T3 off my guy to test out if more thyroid hormone provides more benefits. Obviously, I would take it very slow and add something I’d imagine would be clinically safe for the long term, as opposed to the BB doses that most people take with T3.
Thanks again for all the advice. I’ll keep checking back in with how things are going in case you guys have more advice for me or just so the other guys in my same boat can hear how my experience is going.
@anon8512651 I will look into this more if it seems like a problem, but I checked after reading your post and mine seems to have decreased in size a bit. I think I recall it being bigger when I played around with higher doses of HCG for a while. I’m currently taking 260 EOD
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