15yo Girl Beat Down, Security Just Watches

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]thrasher wrote:
With the economy as shitty as it is and jobs as scarce as they are I’m betting those security guards didn’t want to-

  1. Get fired

  2. Get sued

  3. Go to the emergency room with a gunshot wound

  4. Pay hospital bills and court fines with no income and no health insurance.

The girl is in a street gang, what is there to feel sorry about? People don’t get beat up for no reason.

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You beat me to it…barely.

Those guards have to be at that same spot tomorrow. Raise your hands if you would like to have a gang on the look out for you every night while at work because you roughed up a member?[/quote]

So whats the solution then? Just have everyone in society bow down to teenage gang members because they will fuck shit up and we are afraid to? Employ more heavily armed and armored cops to patrol areas with high gang activities and crack down on them super hard? Robots with lazers to do the dirty work? (thats what I vote for, Robocop)

V[/quote]

There is no solution. This is the way things are because this is the way people are. If you want to change the symptoms, you have to address the cause.

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]thrasher wrote:
With the economy as shitty as it is and jobs as scarce as they are I’m betting those security guards didn’t want to-

  1. Get fired

  2. Get sued

  3. Go to the emergency room with a gunshot wound

  4. Pay hospital bills and court fines with no income and no health insurance.

The girl is in a street gang, what is there to feel sorry about? People don’t get beat up for no reason.

[/quote]

You beat me to it…barely.

Those guards have to be at that same spot tomorrow. Raise your hands if you would like to have a gang on the look out for you every night while at work because you roughed up a member?[/quote]

So whats the solution then? Just have everyone in society bow down to teenage gang members because they will fuck shit up and we are afraid to? Employ more heavily armed and armored cops to patrol areas with high gang activities and crack down on them super hard? Robots with lazers to do the dirty work? (thats what I vote for, Robocop)

V[/quote]

There is no solution. This is the way things are because this is the way people are. If you want to change the symptoms, you have to address the cause.[/quote]

There is always a solution. Otherwise there would be no problem.

V

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

I don’t disagree.

However, I’ve been in similar situations, and I have broken up fights that occurred at my local bar or whatever. Both times, I’m sure there could have been legal troubles if I did it, but I can’t stand idly by and watch something like that happen.

I’m not saying they should have intervened while the girls were brawling, but as soon as one gets knocked to the ground, you stop it.

And if you’re standing right there, you don’t let an unresponsive person get kicked in the head. I’ve seen people get knee’d in the head and KO’d in fights, but it’s a general rule that I follow that once they’re out, they’re out.

Reminds me of the Kitty Genovese thing back in the day.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Something else to think about…in this economic climate where jobs are hard to find in the first place, I really wonder how many of you would put your job on the line in this instance.

Also, if any of you think you could simply “restrain” that girl without using any force at all, I am going to have to wonder if you have ever had to handle someone like that before.

It’s one thing to sit at home behind your computer and yell what someone else should have done and another to act for yourself.[/quote]

It’s this exact attitude that supports my last post. Anyone who stands by and does nothing to defend another human being is just taking up perfectly good oxygen.

What if this was someone in your family, son, daughter, wife, Mom, who got attacked and everyone just watched…especially ‘security’?

If this is your attitude you truly are a pussy and a big part of the problem with our society.

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[quote]lard wrote:

If this is your attitude you truly are a pussy and a big part of the problem with our society.

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He’s not… he’s right in that society does not reward stepping in to save someone. If she was in a gang, you’ll get fucked up for laying a hand on her. If she’s not, she’ll sue you anyway for laying a hand on her.

If she won’t, the odds are that you will get kicked or bit by her when you do lay a hand on her.

If you don’t break it up, however, you get bashed on websites across the world by people who are complete strangers to not only physical violence, but the aftermath of it.

Moral of the story is don’t be a security guard.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]lard wrote:

If this is your attitude you truly are a pussy and a big part of the problem with our society.

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He’s not… he’s right in that society does not reward stepping in to save someone. If she was in a gang, you’ll get fucked up for laying a hand on her. If she’s not, she’ll sue you anyway for laying a hand on her.

If she won’t, the odds are that you will get kicked or bit by her when you do lay a hand on her.

If you don’t break it up, however, you get bashed on websites across the world by people who are complete strangers to not only physical violence, but the aftermath of it.

Moral of the story is don’t be a security guard. [/quote]

x2 in this society, being a “man” or being “human” is a dumb move.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]lard wrote:

If this is your attitude you truly are a pussy and a big part of the problem with our society.

[/quote]

He’s not… he’s right in that society does not reward stepping in to save someone. If she was in a gang, you’ll get fucked up for laying a hand on her. If she’s not, she’ll sue you anyway for laying a hand on her.

If she won’t, the odds are that you will get kicked or bit by her when you do lay a hand on her.

If you don’t break it up, however, you get bashed on websites across the world by people who are complete strangers to not only physical violence, but the aftermath of it.

Moral of the story is don’t be a security guard. [/quote]

So true…people forget that a security guard is not a police officer. I’ve been on both ends of “shit storm” from 1)people cursing me up and down because I didn’t intervene in some situations AND 2)by supervisors and actual law enforcement for intervening. I had contracts were it says I will be immediately terminated and held liable for intervening in physical altercations.

Damned if you do…damned if you don’t.

I wasn’t a security guard for long…well at least in non-government vicinity.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]lard wrote:

If this is your attitude you truly are a pussy and a big part of the problem with our society.

[/quote]

He’s not… he’s right in that society does not reward stepping in to save someone. If she was in a gang, you’ll get fucked up for laying a hand on her. If she’s not, she’ll sue you anyway for laying a hand on her.

If she won’t, the odds are that you will get kicked or bit by her when you do lay a hand on her.

If you don’t break it up, however, you get bashed on websites across the world by people who are complete strangers to not only physical violence, but the aftermath of it.

Moral of the story is don’t be a security guard. [/quote]

I have been a police officer for 19 years so I am somewhat familiar with physical violence. We had an officer involved in a major fight yesterday morning and thankfully for him a citizen came and assisted him. I guess he’s lucky it wasn’t you, PX , or any other little girl on this board standing by.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Something else to think about…in this economic climate where jobs are hard to find in the first place, I really wonder how many of you would put your job on the line in this instance.

Also, if any of you think you could simply “restrain” that girl without using any force at all, I am going to have to wonder if you have ever had to handle someone like that before.

It’s one thing to sit at home behind your computer and yell what someone else should have done and another to act for yourself.[/quote]

They have no idea of what they speak X. Given the choice between men and women, I’ll break up two guys fighting any day of the week. Apparently, some of these guys have never had to step in front of a determined female before. I broke up 4 last week. “Restrained” one, while three others were digging their heels into some girl’s forehead while a 5th was running her purse. Believe me, a harmless “bear hug” doesn’t always get the job done. More often than not, I got some weave in my hand, and heels left behind on the floor as I’m tossing these female “patrons”.

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I cant get the mentality of this sort of stuff, I believe people that kick people to the head when they’re down; should be done for attempted murder.
I also think that police should be heavier armed and be aloud to react brutally towards violent citizens it would cut violent crime down a lot.
I haven’t watched the video I got the idea of it and wont as it will really anger me.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]thrasher wrote:
With the economy as shitty as it is and jobs as scarce as they are I’m betting those security guards didn’t want to-

  1. Get fired

  2. Get sued

  3. Go to the emergency room with a gunshot wound

  4. Pay hospital bills and court fines with no income and no health insurance.

The girl is in a street gang, what is there to feel sorry about? People don’t get beat up for no reason.

[/quote]

You beat me to it…barely.

Those guards have to be at that same spot tomorrow. Raise your hands if you would like to have a gang on the look out for you every night while at work because you roughed up a member?[/quote]

So whats the solution then? Just have everyone in society bow down to teenage gang members because they will fuck shit up and we are afraid to? Employ more heavily armed and armored cops to patrol areas with high gang activities and crack down on them super hard? Robots with lazers to do the dirty work? (thats what I vote for, Robocop)

V[/quote]

If it’s an area frequented by gangs and has a history of violent crime, the landowner has an obligation to provide adequate security. I’m not quite sure what the premises is in this instance. If it’s a public area, different duties (less) apply. What do we do? Well, first the strong need to protect the weak. This is a bigger issue than the security company. It’s a society issue. However, we must all exercise due caution correct? There is no easy answer…

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[quote]lard wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]lard wrote:

If this is your attitude you truly are a pussy and a big part of the problem with our society.

[/quote]

He’s not… he’s right in that society does not reward stepping in to save someone. If she was in a gang, you’ll get fucked up for laying a hand on her. If she’s not, she’ll sue you anyway for laying a hand on her.

If she won’t, the odds are that you will get kicked or bit by her when you do lay a hand on her.

If you don’t break it up, however, you get bashed on websites across the world by people who are complete strangers to not only physical violence, but the aftermath of it.

Moral of the story is don’t be a security guard. [/quote]

I have been a police officer for 19 years so I am somewhat familiar with physical violence. We had an officer involved in a major fight yesterday morning and thankfully for him a citizen came and assisted him. I guess he’s lucky it wasn’t you, PX , or any other little girl on this board standing by.

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Gotta love the internet.

…and LOL at “little girl”.

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[quote]lard wrote:
I have been a police officer for 19 years so I am somewhat familiar with physical violence. We had an officer involved in a major fight yesterday morning and thankfully for him a citizen came and assisted him. I guess he’s lucky it wasn’t you, PX , or any other little girl on this board standing by.

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Listen Barney fucking Fife, I’m just saying that there are more factors involved then just jumping in, especially when NO POLICE ARE INVOLVED!

That’s wonderful that your cop got in a fight. He’s a fucking cop, so a citizen can help him out and KNOW that he’s got a cop’s word on his side.

That is MASSIVELY different than being a private citizen and having to deal with this kind of shit with no training and no way of knowing whether you’re going to get sued and lose everything because of what you do in this split second.

That’s why you fucks get such nice pensions- you deal with this shit. But that ain’t what some fuckin security guard making 7.50 an hour is thinking.

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[quote]Sosruko wrote:
I cant get the mentality of this sort of stuff, I believe people that kick people to the head when they’re down; should be done for attempted murder.
I also think that police should be heavier armed and be aloud to react brutally towards violent citizens it would cut violent crime down a lot.
I haven’t watched the video I got the idea of it and wont as it will really anger me. [/quote]

I agree with your attempted murder position. Because human life is at risk when this occurs.

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[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
Here are some bullet points that olympic security services allegedly provides:

“Security personnel accurately matched to each client’s needs” They were present, so i guess this was fulfilled
“Highly trained staff responds rapidly in emergencies” They were negligent here. They did not respond.
“On-going communication between client and security team” They did this by the radio.
“Management team always available, providing leadership and support” I guess this was fulfilled through the press release.

Here is a big bold statement of this company.

“It’s more than just a shiny badge and a uniform - it’s a total package combining years of experience, extensive training and professional, responsive management.” I did not see any experience showing on the footage, nor did i see any training or professional behavior out of a security personnel.

http://www.olympiksecurity.com/index.htm

http://www.komonews.com/news/content/84063732.html This story is one glorified blow smoke up your ass media responce if i ever saw it. This paragraph is particularly intriguing.

“Olympic Security has reviewed this incident with King County Metro officials and agree with them that a review of policies and procedures is necessary in order to develop the best possible responses to incidents like the assault captured in the video.”

This sort of thing is what happens after cases of negligence. This whole thing stinks, something wasn’t done, and if it get pursued they should be found liable.

Outlaw, due to particular phrasing on what this would be judged on and technicalities, you are probably right that the company would not be found liable, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t.
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Dude, seriously, a little bit of knowledge, and a little bit of information, is dangerous and you’re guilty of having both, no offense. You’re no dummy, but you’re engaging in the dangerous sport of amateur lawyering. What you do not have at your disposal above, is the CONTRACT of the services they ACTUALLY CONTRACTED to provide and, an understanding of legal duty.

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That was comlpete bullshit… Those security guards should be fired, fined and possibly charged.

They were OK, up until the point where the girl was stomping on the other girls head.

And the bystanders are just fucking pussies…

It really shows the world we are living in. Everybody just cares about themselves and only will help someone else if its for their direct benefit.

I had a similar situation a couple of years back on a train. Three teenage gang members were beating down a younger smalle teen. I intervened and got attacked, but the three little punks still couldn’t handle me. Sure if they had a gun or a knife, I may be dead. I made the decision and dont regret that I did.

If it was a girl getting beat down by another girl, I WOULD NEVER hesitate to intervene. Even if I would be outnumbered by a group of bigger guys.

PURE TRASH OUT THERE!!!

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
What you do not have at your disposal above, is the CONTRACT of the services they ACTUALLY CONTRACTED to provide and, an understanding of legal duty. [/quote]

word.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
That was comlpete bullshit… Those security guards should be fired, fined and possibly charged.

They were OK, up until the point where the girl was stomping on the other girls head.

And the bystanders are just fucking pussies…

It really shows the world we are living in. Everybody just cares about themselves and only will help someone else if its for their direct benefit.

I had a similar situation a couple of years back on a train. Three teenage gang members were beating down a younger smalle teen. I intervened and got attacked, but the three little punks still couldn’t handle me. Sure if they had a gun or a knife, I may be dead. I made the decision and dont regret that I did.

If it was a girl getting beat down by another girl, I WOULD NEVER hesitate to intervene. Even if I would be outnumbered by a group of bigger guys.

PURE TRASH OUT THERE!!![/quote]

You’re an idiot.

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What about suing the railway authority? It does not matter that the contract is between the railway authority/local council and the security. If there is /were negligence the authority can be sued via vicarious liability i.e. the actions of the firm it employs.

I believe there would be liability in the UK. Maybe the prevalence of weapons makes their actions more reasonable.

Here the police always owe a duty of case feasance or malfeasance.

Not sure what u mean by street law degree. Street is one of the leading tort textbooks.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
That was comlpete bullshit… Those security guards should be fired, fined and possibly charged.

They were OK, up until the point where the girl was stomping on the other girls head.

And the bystanders are just fucking pussies…

It really shows the world we are living in. Everybody just cares about themselves and only will help someone else if its for their direct benefit.

I had a similar situation a couple of years back on a train. Three teenage gang members were beating down a younger smalle teen. I intervened and got attacked, but the three little punks still couldn’t handle me. Sure if they had a gun or a knife, I may be dead. I made the decision and dont regret that I did.

If it was a girl getting beat down by another girl, I WOULD NEVER hesitate to intervene. Even if I would be outnumbered by a group of bigger guys.

PURE TRASH OUT THERE!!![/quote]

Agree with your emotions but seriously dude, you “don’t regret it” because they didn’t have a weapon and your survived the encounter and…“you could handle them” which I’m sure you made a conscious decision about ahead of time (most people aren’t stupid). The question is, would your emotional bravado survive if it were three diesel gang members given someone a beating. Are you jumping in then? Knowing that doing so would result in severe injury and possibly even death to you? People generally are good and do what they can do. Perhaps the bystanders believed the security guards would handle it. Perhaps there was 10 others out of the view of the camera and that made a direct intervention unwise by who was there. The point is, things happen fast and everyone is not equipped to “handle them”. And you do not wade into a situation you do not completely understand. Yes, we have an obligation to each others as humans, but you have a stronger obligation to return home safe to your loved ones. And I’m saying this as someone, like you yourself claim, that most likely would intervene - however, I can’t say absolutely yes I’d intervene because I cannot appreciate the full situation and danger from the limited perspective of a single surveillance camera - and neither can you.

I love these threads because they conjure up all these strong emotions. But this is the internet…and people stand by and “mind their own business” every single day in every single city in the US. Where are all you superheros when all the crime is going down? I’ll tell you where, you’re here on the internet. Now get off the damn internet, put on your cape and go fight some crime!!!