15 Yrs Prison for Taping Chicago Police

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Let me start by saying that I don’t care if people tape me or not. I don’t worry about it when I’m working. If it’s a traffic stop, I’m recording it too, so what difference does it make?

That being said, after reading the article, the only thing I can see people taking issue with is the difference in penalty between citizens recording each other, and police. I don’t see why there should be a difference. I mean…lots of states have laws about recording people without their consent or knowedge. That’s actually quite common. The enhanced penalty for recording an officer is where I think they are losing people.

Also…the article mentions that it covers audio recording without the other person’s KNOWLEDGE. Doesn’t say anything about their consent. Based on that, all you have to do is state that you are recording…unless there is another statute that covers consent, there isn’t going to be much the officer can do about it.

As always though…check your local and state laws. They all vary.

Also…I had to LOL at Big Banana’s comments. Really? The US is a police state and South Africa is a bastion of freedom and democracy in action, huh?

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No, they have both gone off the deep end and yes, the Nazis were worse.

Those laws operate in most cases on the assumption of privacy. I do not see how a police officer, in a police care, in a police uniform and on duty can have any assumption that his delings with the problem is private.

Also, even in states were it is legal to tape the police, people have been arrested for it anyway.

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I’m laughing at most of you for your outrage. You’re tough guys getting on a message board and posting “fuck the police”. Why don’t you actually do something about it if you don’t like the law. Actually write your state representatives and try to make a change. That would take a little more time and commitment than venting on a message board so most of you won’t do it. Remember guys we’re always going to get the government that we allow!

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@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.

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@Mapwhap - The difference is, a cop has weight in a court, and are often taken at there word, when such word contradicts a citizen.

There is not a legally-stated difference in authority between two citizens; there is no “citizen’s power,” votes notwithstanding. And a vote does not work as evidence when suing a cop for breaking your ribs, nor does a vote work as a deterrent to a cop breaking the law.
Who watches the watchmen? They have proven, your collegues have proven, thy cannot and should not watch themselves.

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It seems like a good reason to avoid Chicago. I am a cop and I always assume I am being recorded. In a public place I do not have much of an expectation of privacy. In a private residence on duty, usually means I was called to respond there, I still assume I am being recorded. Colorado only requires one involved party have knowledge of the audio recording in most cases. If I read it correctly it says they face that time and not that they have been sentenced. First time offender in non-violent crimes not likely to see a maximum sentence but I am sure the legal fees will be huge.

The article says that other areas are looking into such laws and I would have to say what I see is the laws going the other way. Public place, little to no expectation of privacy except areas like public restrooms. Good to know the laws in your area. Like another officer already mentioned if it is a traffic stop I am recording it so I have no issue with the other party recording. It keeps me on my best behavior. The tasers we use even have cameras on them.

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[quote]hkd wrote:
I am a cop and I always assume I am being recorded. In a public place I do not have much of an expectation of privacy. In a private residence on duty, usually means I was called to respond there, I still assume I am being recorded. [/quote]

So this begs the question why these other officers have expectations of privacy?

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[quote]Vash wrote:
@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.[/quote]

Sounds horrible. What happened?

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I think, and maybe hkd will back me up on this, that the proponents of this particular law would probably be the police unions that you find on some of the larger, northern departments.

Looking at it from the police perspective, I can tell you that I have been absolutely stunned by what I have heard Chicago officers get away with. (And these were stories being told to me by retired Chicago PD guys.) That city in particular seems to have taken corruption to an art form. So, that being said, I can see where their union would probably strongly oppose anything that would shine light on their officers’ actions.

As I said earlier…it makes no difference to me whether I get recorded or not. I work on a large city department in Texas, and I just assume I’m always being recorded somehow.

@ Vash…I don’t have the right answer to your question. Some cities have civilian oversight boards, but my understanding is that they tend to not be very effective. I don’t know what the right solution is. (Although I know sooner or later, someone is going to propose the Anarchy thing…I don’t see that as effective, but that’s just a difference of opinion.)

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@ Gambit_Lost - I’ve posted the story a half-dozen times in the other police corruption threads, so I don’t want to rehash it here. Suffice to say I slept with a friend of a friend of the department’s wife to get the ball rolling. As I started to complain of LEO harassment, things got much much worse. My family was never directly threatened, but I was made aware they could be in harm’s way.

@ Mapwhatp - I have to ask, then, in what way is a civilian digitally recording an LEOs interaction with another civilian (presuming they are not directly or indirectly interfering with the interaction) a bad way of policing the police? I am not being sarcastic, I genuinely cannot see how it’s anything but helpful.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
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Also…I had to LOL at Big Banana’s comments. Really? The US is a police state and South Africa is a bastion of freedom and democracy in action, huh?

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I am a US citizen. It is a police state. Soft tyranny. I am ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens don’t see it.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
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Also…I had to LOL at Big Banana’s comments. Really? The US is a police state and South Africa is a bastion of freedom and democracy in action, huh?

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I am a US citizen. It is a police state. Soft tyranny. I am ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens don’t see it.[/quote]

They Thought They Were Free

Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

“What no one seemed to notice,” said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesnâ??t make people close to their government to be told that this is a peopleâ??s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
What should I do with the videos I took of Chicago cops doing dumb shit at the gym?!?!?!?![/quote]

Made me lol!

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[quote]Vash wrote:
@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. Once again you are a tough talking message board warrior “shove it up your ass Zeb.” But…of course when it comes to trying to actually make a change you run and hide when pushed a little. This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Thank you.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. Once again you are a tough talking message board warrior “shove it up your ass Zeb.” But…of course when it comes to trying to actually make a change you run and hide when pushed a little. This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Thank you.[/quote]

In what way am I “running and hiding?” I have contacted the appropriate LEO supervisors, news outlets, AND local, city and state legislators to address the problem I, and my friends and family, have experienced with crooked law enforcement.

And in doing so have taken a pistol whipping, cracked ribs, and multiple threats on my life and on my family.

What have YOU done, ZEB? I’m “talking tough?” That wasn’t tough talk, that was responding directly to your condescension. See, when a man sees the need to be an asshole, he doesn’t have to talk down to anyone, because it shows his lack of faculties.

What have YOU done, ZEB, to improve the country, your city, or your town? Be straight, or stop talking about things beyond you.

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[quote]Vash wrote:
@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.[/quote]

And ZEB, here is the post to which you partially responded. I have taken action, I stay active in contacting the “appropriate authorities.” What have you done?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:
The USA is a police state. It locks up a higher percentage of citizens than almost all other countries.
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As a foreigner it is the impression I get every time I go there. But what do I know I am just a naive little youngster

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[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. Once again you are a tough talking message board warrior “shove it up your ass Zeb.” But…of course when it comes to trying to actually make a change you run and hide when pushed a little. This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Thank you.[/quote]

In what way am I “running and hiding?” I have contacted the appropriate LEO supervisors, news outlets, AND local, city and state legislators to address the problem I, and my friends and family, have experienced with crooked law enforcement.

And in doing so have taken a pistol whipping, cracked ribs, and multiple threats on my life and on my family.

What have YOU done, ZEB? I’m “talking tough?” That wasn’t tough talk, that was responding directly to your condescension. See, when a man sees the need to be an asshole, he doesn’t have to talk down to anyone, because it shows his lack of faculties.

What have YOU done, ZEB, to improve the country, your city, or your town? Be straight, or stop talking about things beyond you.[/quote]

I was commenting about two things; the first is the whining. Okay you complained and took a beating for it, big deal. Is change ever easy? Did you expect to be handed a plaque with your name on it? Sheesh…The second thing is your over the top craptalk toward me. What I said IS the truth. You did something, you may have whined like a 9 year old girl but at least you did something, good for you. But how many others on this site talking tough about bad laws ever do anything about it? Just about ZIP!

I’ve written more letters and made more calls to my elected representatives, and local authorities as well over a multi-year period. I know that if we don’t stand up together we will all lose in the end. Freedom is fragile and when it is lost it’s usually a little at a time. So gradual that you don’t even know what’s happening until it’s gone.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
@Zeb - Your condescension marks you as a learned and social/politically active man. Thanks for humoring us.

Me, I’ve contacted my local PD, Staties and actual legislators.

For this, my family and I have been threatened, and I’ve been assaulted.

So please, sir, take your “laughter” and shove it all the way up your pompous ass.[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. Once again you are a tough talking message board warrior “shove it up your ass Zeb.” But…of course when it comes to trying to actually make a change you run and hide when pushed a little. This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Thank you.[/quote]

In what way am I “running and hiding?” I have contacted the appropriate LEO supervisors, news outlets, AND local, city and state legislators to address the problem I, and my friends and family, have experienced with crooked law enforcement.

And in doing so have taken a pistol whipping, cracked ribs, and multiple threats on my life and on my family.

What have YOU done, ZEB? I’m “talking tough?” That wasn’t tough talk, that was responding directly to your condescension. See, when a man sees the need to be an asshole, he doesn’t have to talk down to anyone, because it shows his lack of faculties.

What have YOU done, ZEB, to improve the country, your city, or your town? Be straight, or stop talking about things beyond you.[/quote]

I was commenting about two things; the first is the whining. Okay you complained and took a beating for it, big deal. \

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yes that is a big deal if, in fact, he was beaten by said police that he was having problems with. given different circumstances non lawful sure taking a little beating no big deal. But to receive a beating from those that are meant to protect you how do you find that ok?

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Nice trolling Zeb!!! But I must admit, I like you better when you are hating on the gays in PWI.

The “big deal” remark was classic.