" . . . and other states are considering similar legislation."
Eli B has the ONLY rational reason for this garbage.
And indeed, fuck the police. With particular fuck-focus on the dirty, but with a good, all-around general fuck you and everything you love to the honest cops out there.
They’re in the middle of this shit, and not working to get rid of the “1%” who give the profession a bad name.
Fuck them all.
People should be ENCOURAGED to record the police’s actions. They should be under greater scrutiny than anyone.
'Fatcorruptpig complains that citizens monitoring police activities for wrongdoing might “affect how an officer does his job on the street.” ’
That’s the fucking point. They shouldn’t have anything to be concerned about if they’re following the law also and doing their fucking job right.
This is disgusting.
Well hopefully it will go to the supreme court and these laws will be ruled unconstitutional.
That is some Al Capone type shit right there.
[quote]samdan wrote:
I think this is proof that if you willingly live in Chicago, you’re a stupid motherfucker.[/quote]
This coming from a guy who lives in Delaware.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Fuck Chicago. Fuck the police.[/quote]
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[quote]samdan wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Fuck Chicago. Fuck the police.[/quote]
This is part of the problem across the board, IMO… Saying something like “Fuck the police.” does a real disservice to the actual honest cops who are out there. There are some really horrible people out there, some of them wear badges. There are also some really good people out there, and some of them also wear badges.
Now there are certain places, like Chicago it seems, where there is a relatively low amount of oversight of the police and bad cops corrupt cops who don’t stand up to it and the problem grows and gets out of control. IMO, cops need harsher punishments when they are found to be off the good path.
The problem is, the anti-police sentiment affects the good cops more than the bad ones. Bad cops just get angry at the sentiment and it makes them more prone to violence. Good cops get afraid of being reported on a bullshit charge that ends their career.[/quote]
FUCK the police. Or did you miss the part where the FOP leadership supported the law.
[quote]tjr-dk wrote:
I find it ridiculous.
Could someone cleverer than me please be the Devils advocate and try and defend this?[/quote]
It’s to save tax payers money. Think about it - a cop gets taped doing something wrong, he then gets suspended with pay for the duration of the investigation, only to be cleared or charges and re-instated because the recording does not offer enough proof.
With this law at least the cops don’t get a month of extra paid vacation.
edit: forgot to add /sarcasm
Well…We don’t want videos like this to keep coming out. - YouTube
Bullshit. How can the “without permission” part hold? Do they ask for permission when they install cameras on every traffic light, corner, store, bank, alley, etc. Hell no. Funny that the gov. is the one who set up this no privacy society, but are opposed to it regarding themselves. I don’t consider myself a conspiracy nut, but if we don’t start standing up to this bullshit before you know it 1984 will be here, might already be.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Bullshit. How can the “without permission” part hold? Do they ask for permission when they install cameras on every traffic light, corner, store, bank, alley, etc. Hell no. Funny that the gov. is the one who set up this no privacy society, but are opposed to it regarding themselves. I don’t consider myself a conspiracy nut, but if we don’t start standing up to this bullshit before you know it 1984 will be here, might already be.[/quote]
I believe it has to do with the audio only. Surveillance cameras are generally video only. According to the law you can’t record their conversation without their knowledge. Still bullshit though.
What should I do with the videos I took of Chicago cops doing dumb shit at the gym?!?!?!?!
[quote]Nards wrote:
What should I do with the videos I took of Chicago cops doing dumb shit at the gym?!?!?!?![/quote]
Ahem… uh, how about posting them here on T-Nation? Nothing stopped you from posting vids of goofy Asians working out, or Asian women, or Asian kids responding to Arnold.
lol
The USA is a police state. It locks up a higher percentage of citizens than almost all other countries. in fact it may be the highest. Also highest number of police. It is total bullshit.
Defund the police. End the stupid war on drugs.
I’ve never been a police officer but working as a bouncer I loved that everything I did was on tape. As long as I did my job properly the cameras were my best friend, because they showed me doing my job properly. Hell, whenever a situation occured in a camera deadspot I wa quick to try and move it into view.
In terms of this, I think that people should be encouraged to record the police while they’re working. If they’re doing their job properly they shouldn’t care, if anything they should be happy that evidence of them doing things properly exist.
After all, at the time restraining someone never looks pretty but when you can go back and look at the tape and show a clear escalation of force in an appropriate manner it’s a lovely thing.
STU
^what an injustice! I cant believe they caught police brutality on tape! Someone needs to jail the guy with the camera
So I wonder what the cops would do if you announced that you were taping them, because then they would know. All legal, right?
Long article, but interesting:
The War on Cameras:
Without cameras, it’s just your word against the cops, and you KNOW who they’ll believe.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
Long article, but interesting:
The War on Cameras:
Without cameras, it’s just your word against the cops, and you KNOW who they’ll believe.[/quote]
Reading through this and have a question about the guy who got in trouble for recording a traffic stop. If the cop has a on-dash camera recording the incident that the cop should have no preconceived notion that the interaction will be private, he/she is recording it for others.
Let me start by saying that I don’t care if people tape me or not. I don’t worry about it when I’m working. If it’s a traffic stop, I’m recording it too, so what difference does it make?
That being said, after reading the article, the only thing I can see people taking issue with is the difference in penalty between citizens recording each other, and police. I don’t see why there should be a difference. I mean…lots of states have laws about recording people without their consent or knowedge. That’s actually quite common. The enhanced penalty for recording an officer is where I think they are losing people.
Also…the article mentions that it covers audio recording without the other person’s KNOWLEDGE. Doesn’t say anything about their consent. Based on that, all you have to do is state that you are recording…unless there is another statute that covers consent, there isn’t going to be much the officer can do about it.
As always though…check your local and state laws. They all vary.
Also…I had to LOL at Big Banana’s comments. Really? The US is a police state and South Africa is a bastion of freedom and democracy in action, huh?