15 YO Attempts to Mug a Cop with Fake Gun, Gets Shot - First Degree Murder?!

It’s a family of scum so of course they are going to make their son the victim. The people driving by the headquarters and shooting in the air are just cowards trying to act tough. If the video clears him he should be ok.

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Nothing. I don’t know how things are there but, here in the U.S.(States with which I’m somewhat familiar anyway), the ongoing danger should be plenty to justify a second shot…unless you’re an idiot and say something like, “I fired the second shot because I was pissed off and wanted to kill him.”

Another way to look at it is that the gunman could go on an kill somebody else, should he be allowed to run away with a gun? That would justify a bullet in the back of the head, as long as it wasn’t fired with him laying face down.

It’s the same in Italy. The problem for this cop, if there is one, is whether or not the second shot to the head, actually back of the head, was necessary or avoidable. He was also off duty so the dead kid’s family is arguing that he should have behaved like a civilian. Meaning, he should have shot once then fled/let the criminal escape rather than take a law enforcement approach and try and stop and arrest the criminal. In other words, a citizen has a right and duty to protect himself whereas a cop has a duty to catch the criminal.

I’d agree that he should have behaved like a civilian, but a civilian should(again, not sure how things are in Italy) have the right to stop the threat. Sounds like the would-be robber got shot in the back of the head during the middle of his tactical retreat. He was certainly returning, and the shooter had to be in fear for his and his girlfriend’s lives. Now, if the shooter is dumb enough to state that he was trying to catch the robber…well, that may be a problem for him.

Edit: FWIW, even an on-duty Officer in the U.S. can’t justly shoot a fleeing criminal unless the Officer “has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”(Tennessee v. Garner)

One thing is that though off duty, he is a carabiniere, they are technically military police and have to always have their weapons. I’m not sure how the concept of off duty applies to them. I’ve read that they are always considered on duty.

I think all law enforcement officers might have to be armed on or off duty.

Not the case for us. I never carry off duty but need to
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I believe they changed the rules because of the terrorist attacks that happened in other European countries.

Let’s also not forget that this kid was somehow shot in the back of the head after being shot in the chest… You’re right, you shouldn’t go around playing with fake guns. Even in Australia, a cop will discharge their weapon if you point a realistic looking imitation firearm at them.

I can forsee the argument being made “he was caught up in the moment”… fair enough, that would’ve been the case had the boy been shot in the chest five or six times. A shot to the back of the head indicates the boy had turned around, it also indicates the officer probably intended to use lethal force.

There are no stand your ground rules in Australia either (within certain states) because the laws can be flawed.

As should be the case in my opinion, if I’ve got an unarmed intruder running away (without valuables) upon sighting me, I shouldn’t be obliged to shoot him in the back of the head… No harm has been done

The rhetoric goes by… if he’s stealing a TV/copper pipes, it’s not worth the conflict, insurance should cover this. Whether it’s right is debatable, but I certainly wouldn’t want to model the system (pertaining to gun control) within my country after that of America’s rules/regulations. We have a gun homicide rate (adjusted for population + suicides) at 1/6th that of America.

So… how exactly did this kid get shot in the back of the head? I don’t think this cop would’ve landed in trouble had it not been for this. We have similar stringent regulations within Australia pertaining to when a cop may discharge his weapon. There are numerous instances when a fatal shot may be justified

  • perp running at you with a knife
  • perp with a gun/suspected to have a gun
  • someone with explosives
    etc

It’s not as black and white as you’ve made it out to be. When the force used is just and legitimately considered to be self defence (within reasonable doubt, so if in Australia an intruder charges at you, you’ve got reasonable suspicion to believe you’re in danger… you’d get off if you stabbed them etc).

Shooting a kid in the back of the head after he’s been shot in the chest (so he’s presumably facing away from you) is troublesome

Not particularly… Well actually I’ve thought about this argument and I believe it goes both ways. Say you’ve got a very well built man (probably on a little bit of juice) with model like good looks, he enters a club full of drunk and disorderly inhabitants (both male and female) wearing nothing but a singlet, tight shorts and sneakers… Do you REALLY think he isn’t going to get groped (he is, and I’ve seen this happen too)? Compare this to had he worn casual clothing (indigo check style dress shirt, denim pants etc). Does this mean it’s acceptable behaviour? Hell no, but one needs to have situational/environmental awareness, some semblance of street smarts.

Girls/Guys should never have to deal with being touched when they don’t want to be. But if you’re out at a party full of disinhibited people, dressing up with you’re torso, the outline of you’re ass visible (men) of dressing up so that you’re tits are out in full view of everyone (some girls here will go to music festivals in body paint, with like… a leaf covering their nipples) probably isn’t the best way to go about ensuring this. You’ve got assholes in this world, some will perceive such a way of dressing to be an invitation for unwarranted groping.

The same goes with respect to Jewelry. If I’m going to the cape town flats (South Africa) I sure as hell wouldn’t be flashing around my Rolex, gold chains, I’ll most certainly be robbed, potentially raped and shot.

TLDR The kid probably deserved the initial shot, threatening people with imitation firearms is bound to have a bad outcome, but getting shot in the back of the head AFTERWARDS is probably what led to this investigation taking place.

So many fucking stupid kids these days… seriously… who starts with a cop, what good could POSSIBLY come of it. Just the other day I had two kids try start with me in the parking lot of a shopping centre for absolutely no reason. I walked away (as is the smart decision to make) though within certain states in America perhaps I could’ve shot them… Violence should always be a last resort, the only time lethal force should ever be applied is when you’ve got absolutely no way out, you have reason to believe you’re in a “kill or be killed” situation.

However a gunshot wound to the CHEST should be enough to incapacitate an attacker (though not always, it appears due to the surge of adrenaline, catecholamines many can keep running/keep going for a few minutes after sustaining an otherwise lethal blow), and if said attacker is running away, another shot to the back of the head is unwarranted.

Obviously I don’t know the full story. Perhaps the cop said “stop, you’re under arrest. Stop or I’ll shoot” the kid kept running, so the cop fires for his shoulder, misses and it gets the back of his head. It’s for these potential discrepancies that a case/investigation is set up.

Naples is a city with its share of scumbags. Their special welcome for visitors is to come up behind you on their mopeds and slash you from behind.

There is a superb Italian series called Gomorrah which is well worth a watch. It’s subtitled but that only enhances it. It’s based in Naples.

That said, like everywhere, Naples has some great people too.

The shot to the back of the head sounds suspicious to me but then again I’m no Columbo

self defense

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We are taught to keep firing until the threat is gone. Most likely the shots were boom boom. First one probably spun the kid around.

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Europe… Not sure. I worked with Italian police in Vicenza years ago. Great experience.

Let the forensics experts in here decide, please.

If this was America we’d have riots and protests.

LMAO. Are you real? If so, do your parents know you’re using their computer/tablet/phones?

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The kid who was killed is not seen as a hero or victim. The cop is getting more sympathy from people.

Apparently, he may have fired four shots.

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Be interesting to see how it plays out. I don’t like seeing young people killed like this but actions = consequences. I didn’t realize Naples had issues like this.

I should have specified this better in my initial post. Naples is full of happenings like this one. For example, cops will pull you over if you are wearing a helmet while riding a cycle, rather than the other way around. Because not wearing one is the norm and the only ones who do are those that don’t want their face to be seen because they are committing a crime.

A popular joke in Italy, “Naples is a magical city… The moment you walk in, your watch, phone, and wallet disappear.”

The mentality over there, even among honest people, is “didn’t see anything” because more often than not normal people that are going about their day will be forced to witness a crime on the street. Be it robbery, mugging, or even straight up an execution. These people are scared into silence and mafia is prevailing by a long stretch.

Been to Italy twice. Didn’t want to leave. Was stationed in Vicenza. The mafia is still active there ??

Northern and southern Italy are two different countries culture wise.